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post #211 of 513
3/15/11 at 10:01am
Yes, control panel shows it installed ok as multimedia card. Also tried to use it with newest version of Cybermedia Producer (64 ultra) and program recognizes the card alright but again only blank screen on all inputs. I also tried different pci-e slots. I will give Avermedia support a try. Thanks for your help. Bob D.
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post #212 of 513
3/23/11 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

I'm afraid I have no idea where to go from here or even whether or not your plan should work as I'm not familiar with how 3D is sent over HDMI. As you know the card isn't meant to support the 3D standards.

I got my C027 working with the H727 driver and 3D Avermediacenter software:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20192695



The only problem I have now is that I can't record HDCP signals from Dishnetwork, but that's ok for now. 3D on the Xbox 360 works great and I can record the video (not the actual 3D, but the side-by-side or 2D).


Edit -

I'll try the component cables.
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post #213 of 513
3/23/11 at 5:27pm
Cool. You could try the older H727 driver and do the HDCP workaround; presumably the hole should also be in that one.
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post #214 of 513
3/24/11 at 11:13pm
As there was previously a presumption that the Overlay only works in the AVerMedia software, I figured I should point out that it does work in other programs. The trick in VirtualDub is to manually set the Preview pin's resolution to equal the Capture pin's. Sadly it forgets this setting every time you exit capture mode or close the program, so you always have to go and re-set it.

That AmaRecTV program posted a page or two back uses EVR or Overlay fine with no tweaking needed.

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post #215 of 513
3/31/11 at 3:49am
I tried to capture iPad 2, but got HDCP message before even hitting record. Anyone knows how to record iPad 2 screen via HDMI?
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post #216 of 513
3/31/11 at 3:10pm
Before hitting record? I guess your video card/monitor doesn't support HDCP. Screenshot or type the error message for us.
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post #217 of 513
4/2/11 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

Before hitting record? I guess your video card/monitor doesn't support HDCP. Screenshot or type the error message for us.

exactly! so I need a video card that support HDCP???
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post #218 of 513
4/2/11 at 11:32pm
Well you didn't give the error message, but I suspect so. Your whole signal path has to support it for the preview to work. A basic video card could be had for $25 if your monitor works with HDCP, assuming you're not looking to game on this computer...
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post #219 of 513
4/3/11 at 4:01am
Fail to play this video on iPad2
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post #220 of 513
4/3/11 at 4:01am
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post #221 of 513
4/3/11 at 10:08am
Okay well I guess you could also try a VGA connection instead, as the message says.
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post #222 of 513
4/3/11 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

Okay well I guess you could also try a VGA connection instead, as the message says.

ATVR HDR comes with VGA connection? or iPad2 to VGA?
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post #223 of 513
4/3/11 at 8:28pm
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ATVR HDR comes with VGA connection? or iPad2 to VGA?

It comes only with any adapter for component, composite or s-video. If you want HD, you'll need to use the component with separate audio.

The problem you're having is not unusual with this card. I couldn't use HDMI with either a Dish DVR or Samsung BD player, both of which are HDCP compliant. I'd be surprised if the iPad2 wasn't HDCP compliant either. It's just a quirk with this card that's a pain.
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post #224 of 513
4/4/11 at 2:50pm
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ATVR HDR comes with VGA connection? or iPad2 to VGA?

Neither. As the error message says, I meant hooking up your monitor to your graphics card using VGA instead of a digital connection.
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post #225 of 513
4/8/11 at 2:55am


Got it to work, used VGA from PC to LCD Monitor instead of HDMI. Used Bandicam to record
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post #226 of 513
4/9/11 at 12:13am
Hey all. I've been eying this card and I'd like to ask a few quick questions, which can hopefully be answered before I try ordering it tomorrow morning. ;p

1) I must capture RAW (1080i60 and/or 720p60). It's becoming apparent that none of this card's software actually specifically enables raw capture. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.) People seem to be using external software like Virtualdub. I can't help but feel uncomfortable with this. Since VDub (or whatever) is not specifically accessing the data being sent to / processed by the card, and is instead grabbing it from somewhere else after the fact (again, corrections welcome), I feel that this would tend to introduce complications that would not normally arise. Complications like dropped frames or audio/video sync issues. Is that about right? This is pretty important. Important enough that this one factor will determine whether or not I continue having any interest in this card.

2) So.. no support for any audio better than stereo, yes?

3) What's a good estimation of the input lag, when viewing the card's input? (Aside from anything added by the monitor.) 1 frame? 12 seconds?

Thanks in advance.
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post #227 of 513
4/9/11 at 1:18am
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Hey all. I've been eying this card and I'd like to ask a few quick questions, which can hopefully be answered before I try ordering it tomorrow morning. ;p

Good thing I haven't made it to bed yet!

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1) I must capture RAW (1080i60 and/or 720p60). It's becoming apparent that none of this card's software actually specifically enables raw capture. (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

The newer version of the AVerTV software allows AVI capture but the only codecs it offers to me are uncompressed and XviD. Remember that the AVerTV software will pop up a message saying you can't record HDCP content and for uncompressed you would need a RAID0 (I use lossless codecs in VDub to avoid all of this).

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People seem to be using external software like Virtualdub. I can't help but feel uncomfortable with this. Since VDub (or whatever) is not specifically accessing the data being sent to / processed by the card, and is instead grabbing it from somewhere else after the fact (again, corrections welcome), I feel that this would tend to introduce complications that would not normally arise. Complications like dropped frames or audio/video sync issues. Is that about right? This is pretty important. Important enough that this one factor will determine whether or not I continue having any interest in this card.

First point, it absolutely is accessing the card via the standard WDM driver and getting at the raw YUV data that is being passed through the PCIe bus. You may be confusing this with the FRAPS recording method that records the DirectX overlay with all its faults (like forcing you into the blend-deinterlaced display).

The only dropped frames or sync issues I encounter are when the HDMI signal changes mid-capture (i.e. when starting a game from the XMB on the PS3, instead of starting the capture after it has already done the HDMI negotiation). Or if the hard drive has trouble keeping up which can be remedied by adjusting buffers.

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2) So.. no support for any audio better than stereo, yes?

Yes.

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3) What's a good estimation of the input lag, when viewing the card's input? (Aside from anything added by the monitor.) 1 frame? 12 seconds?

Post #84: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...g#post18394593
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post #228 of 513
4/9/11 at 1:27am
Thanks for the really fast response!

Alright, yeah, long as VDub isn't doing a Fraps-like capture method, that sounds pretty adequate. Fastest option I have available to me is unfortunately only a 74GB Raptor. If I need something better, then so be it. A Raid0 of a couple of cheap WDs ought to do.

Aside from the lack of future proofing with the audio, this sounds like the way to go. If I really cared about future proofing that much, I'd be holding off for 1080p60 and 4:4:4 support, and I sure don't see that anywhere.
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post #229 of 513
4/9/11 at 10:48pm
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Originally Posted by Colmino View Post
Aside from the lack of future proofing with the audio, this sounds like the way to go. If I really cared about future proofing that much, I'd be holding off for 1080p60 and 4:4:4 support, and I sure don't see that anywhere.
AVermedia has a 1080p card listed on their international site, I'd assume its eventually coming to the US. Just don't expect the HDCP trick to work.

http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Uplo...2020110218.pdf
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post #230 of 513
4/10/11 at 12:10pm
Not really. Only 1080p25/30 which is already possible with the HD DVR (set to 1920x1080 at 25 or 29.97; it doesn't care whether the fields are two separate points in time or not). To call this a 1080p capture card is some slick false advertising and it still doesn't even advertise a 1080p24 mode even though that would require less data throughput than 25 or 30.

"AVerMedia DarkCrystal HD Captur (sic) SDK II supports HDMI connection for capturing and monitoring video up to 1080p high-definition resolution with 25 or 30 frames per second."

Here is the product page with a full list of resolutions:
1080@25p/30p & 50i/60i, 720@50p/60p, 576@50p/50i, 480@60p/60i, 640x480@60Hz, 1024x768@60Hz, 1280x800@60Hz, 1280x1024@50Hz, 1440x900@50Hz, 1600x1200@30Hz, 1680x1050@35Hz

Interesting that they're supporting various computer resolutions though.
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post #231 of 513
4/10/11 at 2:24pm
Heh heh. Don't get any bright ideas about using the "DarkCrystal HD Capture SDK II"'s drivers with the HD DVR. I got a nice BSOD.

The driver layout is again very similar, but the chips used for the component and HDMI inputs are different:
Analog Devices AD9983A
ITE IT6603

They also cleaned up the internal naming slightly, but still didn't fix the Composite/S-Video descriptions used for component/HDMI. The "Anlg" names are as opposed to the "Dgtl" DVB tuner present on the H727; the C027 driver includes references to ATSC, DVB-S, and DVB-C but obviously doesn't have that functionality in terms of hardware. The C729 driver has no references to any tuners.

Code:
C027:
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Preferred Video Standard",      0x00010001, 1
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Video Composite Decoder",       0x00000000, "ADI AD9985A"
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Video S-Video Decoder",         0x00000000, "Silicon Image 9011"

C729:
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Preferred Video Standard",      0x00010001, 1
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Video Composite Decoder",       0x00000000, "ADI AD9983A"
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Video S-Video Decoder",         0x00000000, "ITE IT6603"

C727: (the original DarkCrystal)
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Preferred Video Standard",      0x00010001, 1
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Video Composite Decoder",       0x00000000, "ADI AD9983A"
HKR, "Decoder\\VideoDecoder2", "Video S-Video Decoder",         0x00000000, "Silicon Image 9011"

C027:
;Our Friendly Names

TRIDCap.AnlgCaptureName    = "AVerMedia BDA Analog Capture"
TRIDCap.AnlgCaptureNameSnd = "AVerMedia BDA Analog Capture Secondary"
TRIDCap.AnlgXBarName       = "AVerMedia BDA Analog Xbar"
TRIDCap.AnlgXBarNameSnd    = "AVerMedia BDA Analog Xbar Secondary"
[...]
TRIDCap.AnlgAudioCaptureName = "AVerMedia Audio Capture 1st"
TRIDCap.AnlgAudioCapNameSnd  = "AVerMedia Audio Capture 2nd"

C729:
;Our Friendly Names

TRIDCap.AnlgCaptureName    = "AVerMedia SD Capture"
TRIDCap.AnlgCaptureNameSnd = "AVerMedia HD Capture"
TRIDCap.AnlgXBarName       = "AVerMedia SD Xbar"
TRIDCap.AnlgXBarNameSnd    = "AVerMedia HD Xbar"
TRIDCap.AnlgAudioCaptureName = "AVerMedia SD Audio Capture"
TRIDCap.AnlgAudioCapNameSnd  = "AVerMedia HD Audio Capture"
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post #232 of 513
4/12/11 at 7:20am
I am interested in this card for converting a pal signal to a ntsc signal.

does this card can handle a pal signal ?
can the aver media program stream live video on full screen without any bars or menu?
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post #233 of 513
4/12/11 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by thechorba View Post

I am interested in this card for converting a pal signal to a ntsc signal.
does this card can handle a pal signal ?

Yes, it works with PAL devices. You choose NTSC or PAL in set-up. I don't know if it converts though, nothing in the manual about that. You may need to convert the file in another application.

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can the aver media program stream live video on full screen without any bars or menu?

Yes.
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post #234 of 513
4/12/11 at 12:31pm
Yeah, it won't convert between standards. Ideally you would keep your content in PAL and play it on a compatible player. If the content is progressive the next best thing for DVD encodes is to resize to 720x480 25 fps and use DGPulldown to add flags to get it to 29.97.
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post #235 of 513
4/12/11 at 11:27pm
Can anyone confirm if this device is recognized as a capture card and able to display audio and video with VLC.

Thanks in advance
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post #236 of 513
4/12/11 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by Audball View Post
Can anyone confirm if this device is recognized as a capture card and able to display audio and video with VLC.

Thanks in advance
If I click File in VLC and select Open capture device, it shows up. But I've never been able to make it work.
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post #237 of 513
4/13/11 at 10:03am
Darn, do you get an error message? What version of VLC are you using? I just saw a newegg review stating hdmi doesn't work in VLC, but component does. Can you confirm?

Thanks
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post #238 of 513
4/13/11 at 5:23pm
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Originally Posted by Audball View Post

Darn, do you get an error message? What version of VLC are you using? I just saw a newegg review stating hdmi doesn't work in VLC, but component does. Can you confirm?

Thanks

No error message, just a black screen with nothing playing. Version 1.1.5, cable box connected by component video. The AVer card is listed as a capture device in the VLC menu, I can select it but nothing happens. I don't know if it's VLC, the card or me
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post #239 of 513
4/13/11 at 11:15pm
I have an SD HDMI source connected at the moment and video does show up in VLC. I had to set the resolution manually in the little command line. But it doesn't recognize the audio portion of the card at all.
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post #240 of 513
4/15/11 at 3:26pm
Just got one of these cards, and I'm having some trouble. I had planned on using it to record and stream content from my Xbox 360 as well as some of my older consoles (Genesis, SNES, etc). However, when I connect one of the older consoles in, I get nothing but a black screen. My 360 works fine over composite, but the older consoles do not. I'm suspecting that this device does not support 240p input at all. I also came across a video on youtube where someone noted that the screen would go black when they started playing a PS1 game on a PS2 (which puts the PS2 into 240p output). Has anyone else tried something similar?
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