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post #241 of 514
I'm sure you're right considering it has trouble even showing the blue screen of VCRs. The SD portion of this card leaves a lot to be desired. I would recommend picking up a separate USB device.
post #242 of 514
I had some trouble too using my SVHS deck with this card, a black screen that kept flashing in and out along with the sound. I tried passing the signal through my DVD recorder and that fixed it. The s-video and audio lines go from SVHS -> DVD recorder -> AVer capture card, this cleared it up for me and it's worked great since. I just gotta remember to turn the DVD on
post #243 of 514
What are the best drivers to use with the H727? My card won't recognize the CXXX drivers linked in the beginning the thread and I've searched through the thread with no luck at all.

Appreciating all pointers as I'm stuck right now

edit: may have fixt it, will report back

edit: Nope, WDM driver --> secondary analogue gives HDCP-screen. That's right I guess.
Choosing the directshow option, setting the pins to 1280x720 YUV2 gives only a black image in preview mode and white image in overlay mode for some reason =/

edit: And now it sometimes automagically goes into HDCP showing the HDCP warning if I launch VDub before the media center. It does work fine if I launch the media center first though, but won't show nothing in vdub.

Would be happy to hear about any possible solutions! Maybe someone has some alternative drivers for the H727? I think it was .31 or something like that was supplied with the card.

edit3: Found the .22 drivers on some spanish site I believe. Got it showing in vdub (even though it got blacked out in the avertv media center. Doesn't matter for me though. Got about 40 dropped frames out of 400 so I guess I should try to fix my capture settings.
Got an E8400 w/4GB ram so I guess that it should be possible to record without dropping frames, right?

Cheers UD
post #244 of 514
Yes, at that point you need to start looking at buffers, codec, and whether your hard disk's write speed is fast enough.

You can't display in both VDub and AVerTV's software at the same time because their preview functions take over the graph exclusively.
post #245 of 514
Thanks for the confirmation.
I currently have a WDC Blue 640GB (this one I think http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.aspx?id=110)

Still having no luck getting a smooth playback, the cpu seems to hit a load of ~60-70%. Will try the buffer settings as suggested.

I also uploaded the version I got working if anyone else would be looking for the .22 driver for the H727:
http://www.multiupload.com/ZUE2GT1NFR
post #246 of 514
I recently started using DivX codecs with VH Capture to some pretty good results.

Their latest pack, 6.9.2, utilizes multi-core processors very well. I've got some good caps at both 1080i30fps and 720p60fps with this method.

I can't post a cap of 720p60fps because YouTube doesn't allow 60fps videos anymore .

Here's an example of 1080i30fps:

post #247 of 514
I can't seem to get VH Capture working, I specified a file to save, clicked the record button but after finishing the capture I don't get any file saved at all.
Managed to get my recordings smooth though using M-JPEG+vdub.

However it seems like the audio pitch is messed up.. Gus just isn't his usual self:


However at ~6.55 the post game voiceovers are just fine.
What could this be caused by? HDD-speeds limiting the audio capture performance when it's "live" and not cut-scene is? Or some setting? Never changed anything regarding audio.

Rendered at 4k so the PQ is obviously not as good as the source material.
post #248 of 514
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Originally Posted by UnDecoded View Post

I can't seem to get VH Capture working, I specified a file to save, clicked the record button but after finishing the capture I don't get any file saved at all.

What codec are you trying to use? How many selections appear in VH Capture?
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Originally Posted by UnDecoded View Post

However it seems like the audio pitch is messed up.. Gus just isn't his usual self:

However at ~6.55 the post game voiceovers are just fine.
What could this be caused by? HDD-speeds limiting the audio capture performance when it's "live" and not cut-scene is? Or some setting? Never changed anything regarding audio.

Gus Johnson and Cris Collinsworth sound like chipmunks!

It could be the framerate of Madden NFL 11, which I think is 60fps for gameplay. Maybe the postgame cutscene is locked at 30 though?

Have you tried other games that you know for certain are 30fps?
post #249 of 514
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Originally Posted by UnDecoded View Post

Rendered at 4k so the PQ is obviously not as good as the source material.

Why on Earth?

You should go to Capture -> Timing and select Do not resync between audio and video streams, if you haven't already. That's the only option that should affect audio pitch, unless you're using audio compression or somehow changed the sample rate but you said you didn't touch those settings.
post #250 of 514
Currently only have used the AmarecTV.

The program is perfect for capturing with AVERTV or any other capture card (USB, PCI or PCI-e).


Get here:
AMAREC TV - 2.10


Cauptain
post #251 of 514
Thanks for this thread.. I have learned a lot from it.. Its a pretty decent card.. but has a lot of errors with my AT&T Uverse so BEWARE if you have that cable, lol.
post #252 of 514
Hi everyone,

Thank you all for contributing to this great thread.

I have assembled an HTPC recently and I want to buy this card to use it with my Sat Box. I assume from what I've read that this card is capable of capturing encrypted video through HDMI by using the workaround in VD.

My question is:

Does anyone know if the captured file would still contain the subtitles (switchable on/off)?

My goal is to extract the subtitle track.

Thanks in advance.
post #253 of 514
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Originally Posted by MoonLaf View Post
Hi everyone,

Thank you all for contributing to this great thread.

I have assembled an HTPC recently and I want to buy this card to use it with my Sat Box. I assume from what I've read that this card is capable of capturing encrypted video through HDMI by using the workaround in VD.

My question is:

Does anyone know if the captured file would still contain the subtitles (switchable on/off)?

My goal is to extract the subtitle track.

Thanks in advance.
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post #254 of 514
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Originally Posted by Kenshiro 26 View Post
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Thanks for your prompt reply Kenshiro,

To my knowledge, closed captions are similar to subtitles but they are not the same.

My Sat Box channels are having subtitles (switchable on/off) and not closed captions.

By the way, in which format you are saving your captured file?

I believe if I can save the captured video in lossless format, then there will be no issue, isn't it?
post #255 of 514
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Originally Posted by MoonLaf View Post
To my knowledge, closed captions are similar to subtitles but they are not the same.

My Sat Box channels are having subtitles (switchable on/off) and not closed captions.

By the way, in which format you are saving your captured file?

I believe if I can save the captured video in lossless format, then there will be no issue, isn't it?
Don't know if it will work for sure with your Sat box, but see no reason why it wouldn't.

I save my files as .avi files. You can capture lossless, just make sure you have a lot of storage space.
post #256 of 514
Switchable subtitles or captions will not be preserved, only the video data that you see. So you can capture with them burned-in like Kenshiro's or capture with them turned off, but can't switch between them on the stored file.

The drivers do include a line 21 decoder but I think it's only for the composite/S-video input.
post #257 of 514
i am wondering how do i use this card to record from the sat box?
post #258 of 514
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Originally Posted by audionewer View Post

i am wondering how do i use this card to record from the sat box?

Your best best is to use the component input. I had a Dish DVR and the HDMI was useless - nothing but HDCP errors. You have to do your recordings manually.

In all honesty, if you don't have the card yet, I'd recommend the new Hauppauge Colossus card which would work a lot better with your sat box. I understand you can use an IR blaster to change channels to do recordings.
post #259 of 514
I will admit, so far this card is only misery on my part. Their software that comes with it is absolutely trash (anytime a commercial starts or it changes format I get "recording stopped due to resolution change" or whatever). I have tried VirtualDub, but I get no luck at all.

I can get it to work in MS Encoder4, and Corel VideoStudio X4, but the audio seems... wrong. Like high-pitched, which I see someone else noted. I can't figure that out at all. I am not using this in an HTPC, just to capture video from other HDMI devices (primarily a PS3) and I'll be damned if it doesn't p-- me off. I would love it more if I could capture multi-channel LPCM, but I will deal.. if I could just figure out how to make it reliably capture at all.
post #260 of 514
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

Switchable subtitles or captions will not be preserved, only the video data that you see. So you can capture with them burned-in like Kenshiro's or capture with them turned off, but can't switch between them on the stored file.

The drivers do include a line 21 decoder but I think it's only for the composite/S-video input.

Thanks for your reply msgohan,

That's is unfortunate for me. I thought that capturing with HDMI would give me the advantage to capture subtitle stream as well.

The problem is this is the only card capable of capturing encrypted video as I know.

Do you know any card that is capable of capturing subtitle stream (not necessary encrypted).
post #261 of 514
I'm still not sure what you mean by subtitles, but I'm assuming European teletext. HDMI doesn't have any provision for sending a separate text stream, which is why the set-top boxes that show captions now have to decode them internally and overlay them onto the image that they output.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_...ability_issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Audio.2Fvideo (last paragraph)

The only way to grab them digitally is if you can get the actual compressed streams by another method with the metadata intact (DVB, ATSC).

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Originally Posted by tmservo View Post

I will admit, so far this card is only misery on my part. Their software that comes with it is absolutely trash (anytime a commercial starts or it changes format I get "recording stopped due to resolution change" or whatever).

Can't you set your box to output one resolution at all times?
post #262 of 514
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

Why on Earth?

You should go to Capture -> Timing and select Do not resync between audio and video streams, if you haven't already. That's the only option that should affect audio pitch, unless you're using audio compression or somehow changed the sample rate but you said you didn't touch those settings.



I had some time to play with these settings. Not resyncing the audio and video worked like a charm, here is a sample:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbtsK5gEvnw

However the audio sync seems off instead of the pitch, I guess that may be because of the framerate dropping from the cutscenes mentioned earlier? If so, technically, why would it differ here but not in real time during playback?

Happy for any other suggestions that may fix it..

I believe I recorded with vdub mpeg-4 --> avidemux to cut the clip and then I saved it using mpeg-4 avc. Have tried other software and codecs for this with no difference in sync
post #263 of 514
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Originally Posted by UnDecoded View Post

I believe I recorded with vdub mpeg-4 --> avidemux to cut the clip and then I saved it using mpeg-4 avc. Have tried other software and codecs for this with no difference in sync

I've tried a lot of different codes and lossless, the best one on my PC is DivX. Gives me stable framerate at both 1080i30 and 720p60, with acceptable quality/size tradeoffs.

Here's an example of 720p60 from MegaUpload. (Warning the file is 240Mb)
post #264 of 514
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Originally Posted by UnDecoded View Post

I believe I recorded with vdub mpeg-4 --> avidemux to cut the clip and then I saved it using mpeg-4 avc. Have tried other software and codecs for this with no difference in sync

What is VDub telling you for Frames dropped/Frames inserted?
post #265 of 514
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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

I'm still not sure what you mean by subtitles, but I'm assuming European teletext. HDMI doesn't have any provision for sending a separate text stream, which is why the set-top boxes that show captions now have to decode them internally and overlay them onto the image that they output.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_...ability_issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDMI#Audio.2Fvideo (last paragraph)

The only way to grab them digitally is if you can get the actual compressed streams by another method with the metadata intact (DVB, ATSC).

Thanks again for your informative reply msgohan,

Yes, I do mean something similar to European teletext.

So, the only way to record switchable subtitles is to unlock the encryption through Sat Card which is not a viable option for me.

I'm still thinking between choosing either AVerTV HD DVR or Hauppauge Colossus HD-PVR.

Both of them has it's advantages and disadvantages.

Anyhow, I have other queries if you would allow me.

1- The Satellite Signals are encrypted to prevent non-customers to view the signal. (I assume that both cards doesn't have issues on this side, right?).

2. The recording in the PVR is encrypted for copyright reasons to prevent distribution of Movies/Serials by end users. (Both cards can override this by recording through component video, but only AVerTV can record HDCP through VD workaround, right?).

By the way, I have Component Video from my Sat Box connected to my Panasonic DVD Recorder. I can record from all the HD channels except for two channels that would give me an error message: "copy-protect signal was detected. Cannot record." So I would only benefit from AVerTV card HDMI recording in these two channels.

3- My Sat Box is connected to my Onkyo AVR through HDMI. I'm thinking of getting HDMI splitter (1 input & 2 output) to connect to both my AVR and HTPC (Anyone having the same setup, please confirm to me that this would work, especially with encrypted channels).

4- The HD channels from my Sat Box are only 1080i and the audio is at max Dolby 5.1 (Any differences between both cards when it comes to capturing audio?).

5- Colossus has the advantage of internal processor to decode the captured video, so no CPU overload on my HTPC, right?

Kind Regards,
post #266 of 514
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Originally Posted by MoonLaf View Post

1- The Satellite Signals are encrypted to prevent non-customers to view the signal. (I assume that both cards doesn't have issues on this side, right?).

2. The recording in the PVR is encrypted for copyright reasons to prevent distribution of Movies/Serials by end users. (Both cards can override this by recording through component video, but only AVerTV can record HDCP through VD workaround, right?).

Correct. Decryption of the satellite signal is done by the CAM in the STB and then the playback can be recorded in real-time. There is no HDCP workaround for the Colossus except additional decrypting hardware since it can't even display HDCP content.

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By the way, I have Component Video from my Sat Box connected to my Panasonic DVD Recorder. I can record from all the HD channels except for two channels that would give me an error message: "copy-protect signal was detected. Cannot record." So I would only benefit from AVerTV card HDMI recording in these two channels.

Hauppauge's hardware is supposed to ignore copy-protection signals in component content; not sure about AVerTV's as I don't know if I have any players that output CGMS.

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3- My Sat Box is connected to my Onkyo AVR through HDMI. I'm thinking of getting HDMI splitter (1 input & 2 output) to connect to both my AVR and HTPC (Anyone having the same setup, please confirm to me that this would work, especially with encrypted channels).

Just make sure you get a powered/active splitter. This is my current setup (Denon AVR though). For the AVerTV, if you want your AVR to still play 5.1 you will need to ensure it can pass (stereo) audio out over HDMI and split the output instead of the input (or run HDMI+SPDIF to it).

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4- The HD channels from my Sat Box are only 1080i and the audio is at max Dolby 5.1 (Any differences between both cards when it comes to capturing audio?).

Colossus can do Dolby 5.1, while AVerTV can only do PCM stereo.

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5- Colossus has the advantage of internal processor to decode the captured video, so no CPU overload on my HTPC, right?

Correction, the Colossus encodes the incoming video to H.264 saving you processor power there. But your CPU or GPU needs to decode that for display.
post #267 of 514
Moonlaf.

If your satellite provider is based on an encryption system that supports external CAMs in a CI slot (some in Europe are) then you may be better off with a DVB-S or DVB-S/S2 capture card with a CI slot and buying a CAM. You can then use Windows Media Center with DVB Link TV Source (or DVB Viewer etc.) to record and replay your TV replacing your PVR. (Effectively the DVB capture card and CAM are similar to a US CableCard style solution)

There are other solutions which don't require CAMs, just a valid viewing card, but they are technically pretty complex to set-up and can burn out your viewing card if you don't know what you are doing.

This method of viewing is increasingly popular in Europe, and also Australia/New Zealand. However because some of the techniques involved can also be used for illegal purposes, it can be difficult to find good quality information on it.
post #268 of 514
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Originally Posted by Kenshiro 26 View Post

I've tried a lot of different codes and lossless, the best one on my PC is DivX. Gives me stable framerate at both 1080i30 and 720p60, with acceptable quality/size tradeoffs.

Here's an example of 720p60 from MegaUpload. (Warning the file is 240Mb)

Will try that. Gonna try to get a clip up later, probably tomorrow, using DivX.

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Originally Posted by msgohan View Post

What is VDub telling you for Frames dropped/Frames inserted?

These are the stats I got from vdub after a 40min recording session:



edit: 720p60.
post #269 of 514
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Originally Posted by UnDecoded View Post

These are the stats I got from vdub after a 40min recording session:



edit: 720p60.

Bizarre FPS, data rate, and sound sampling rate there. Hmm.
post #270 of 514
I purchased the H727 yesterday and I downloaded the latest AverMedia Center. This came with the latest driver also, so I went into Device Manager and uninstalled the driver.

From what I've read, the driver needed to do the HDCP trick to record with HDMI is .22. I have downloaded it from various posts here in the thread but it will not install properly. The card still does not have a driver installed after countless tries.

Help would be appreciated.

Extra info:
- Trying to record PS3 gameplay using HDMI
- Currently using Windows 7 x64
- .40 Drivers worked perfectly fine before I uninstalled them.
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