ADA Mach 4......WOW!!!! - Page 5

Originally Posted by DanFrancis

No, but I installed the system at jbm's house and he has a Halcro (for now)- and I'm a Halcro dealer as well. That's why he's calling me a traitor. In my opinion, the ADA sounds better with HDMI, and the user interface alone puts the ADA ahead. More will come out in the wash once I get everything finished at his house- there's some more stuff in the works.

Dan

Originally Posted by DanFrancis

Ada processors have always sounded very good when setup right- I'm suprised that peole are suprised by that, they're just now reaching bandwagon status instead of flying below the radar seemingly.

Originally Posted by elysandi

Can someone recommend an amp to go with the ADA suite 7.1 HD.
I was thinking maybe the B&K 7-200. Or a Nuforce multi channel.
I was trying to keep the cost down below $3000.00 for the amp...Thanks

Originally Posted by elysandi

Hi, I want to use B&W cwm7.3 inwall speakers for the fronts. I will not
always run them at full range. My wife does not like it to loud when
we are both watching movies.

Originally Posted by Richard_ADA

The TEQ chassis (3RU) is designed to accommodate 4, 8 or 12 channels. It incorporates most of the Optomizer's feature set. I won't go into details right now but if you are familiar with that unit, you will be extremely pleased with our implementation. Currently, our TEQ will be an external device that will at least synchronize with the volume control of our Suite 7.1 HD and Cinema Rhapsody Mach IV.

Frankly, I mentioned it figuring that word might have hit these pages sooner or later about last weeks event. We are still defining some features and as those of you familiar with ADA know, we don't like talking "vapor". It's not our style. So as we clear a few milestones, I will update here.

As Iron Man says, "sometimes you have to run before you can walk."

Originally Posted by TheLion

Thank you. So an TEQ-12 is also upcoming? I guess this would be very usefull by providing multiple subwoofer channels.

Another very interesting feature of the Trinnov optimizer is the digital output capability. Is an AES digital output planned for the TEQ unit?

You are certainly aware that the additional A/D D/A steps are seen problematic. My guess is that the 2U form factor of the Rhapsody will prevent a full featured Trinnov implementation.

But what about your third and most powerful processor line - the Cinema Reference. This has been an 3U unit in the past - and a new revision combining the pre-amp capabilities of the Rhapsody IV with the exact same Trinnov implementation of your TEQ and 12 instead of 8 channels (free configuration, eg. 7 + 5 subwoofer channels, or 9.3/11.1 with Dolby PLIIz ...) would be my dream unit And a logical next step for Ada to offer such an all-in-one device IMHO.

Originally Posted by thebland

First full review (extensive) of the ADA Suite 7.1 (similar to Mach IV).

Looks to be the piece to beat,

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

Thanks for the link to the excellent review. It has answered many questions for me, chief among them, would I entertain one in my system/life? Now I can say, emphatically, no.

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

PC for U/I? Been there (861), won't do that again.

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

Fan? Nope--not even a silent one. Just a phobia.

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

It has more PEQ bands than my current (SSP-800), but a different set of constraints for Q and attenuation. Still no shelving option (Tag really set the bar on this!)

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

Truncation of audio. They may indeed figure it out, of course, just as Classe finally did.

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

Cosmetics--it sits out in full view in my case. I guess it could be hidden away, though.

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

As cups of tea go, this one's not for me. It does look like it is unparalleled in addressing its mission as the heart of a sophisticated custom install. My issues are in the category of asking a hammer to be a screwdriver--so the mismatch is on my end, not ADA's. Their product is solidly on target for its intended use, so my complaints are of no real consequence, except perhaps the truncation.

Originally Posted by Joelc

Huh, can you please explain this as I have not yet read the article and do not know what you are referring to.

If you love music you may wish to look away now as in my opinion this is something of a clanger.

Whilst the Suite 7.1 is probably installed mostly in Home Theatre applications, it is also designed to be used for music playback and certainly has a lot to offer in terms of audio quality, however about 1 second after spinning my first disc, I discovered the Suite 7.1 HD has a rather unacceptable tendency to miss the first second of each and every track on the disk! The only time this does no occur is on CDs mastered with no ‘silent’ gap between tracks such as some compilations or classical discs.

Anyone familiar with the pops, cracks, bangs and lock-ups on some other recent AV Processors will appreciate ADA moved to overcome that particular issue by adding a slight delay to the Audio lock on procedure. They can do it a lot faster but occasionally suffered some of these issues, so they have opted to introduce enough delay to negate any nasty noises being generated but instead it gives us this horrible truncated start to every track.

The Process is even visible on the Front panel when the Processor displays ‘Idle’ between tracks and then flicks to ‘PCM’ before going into ‘Idle’ again at the start of the following track.

ADA’s solution would barely be noticeable for someone watching a DVD or Blu-Ray as all you are likely to miss are short menu ‘beeps’ or the start of a Trailer or Studio logo. However for a music listener this is unacceptable. Ok it isn’t noticeable on every track you listen to as some contain silence initially anyway but when it does happen it is something of a slap in the face. As an example the opening line from Pink Floyd’s ‘The Wall Part II’ actually sounds like: ‘…n’t need no education…’ so it isn’t something you can easily ignore.

I did try a few sources, including a Harman Kardon DVD player, a Squeezebox Duet and an Oppo Blu-Ray player, using both Coax and Optical SPDIF, as well as HDMI and all produced the same disappointing results.

Most Processors and Receivers released nowadays seem to have issues at launch and it is unfortunately almost expected today but the Suite 7.1 HD has been out for some time now and although the vast majority of installs may well be for movie use only (the few owners I contacted did not use it for music or TV, so had not noticed the issue) I can’t believe something like this has not been picked up and rectified by now.

It seems that a relatively quick (if not somewhat dirty) fix would simply be to ‘suggest’ to the unit the most likely mode encountered when ‘Listening to Music’ so it is probably in the correct mode when you start and also to prevent the Suite 7.1 HD from going into ‘Audio-Detect’ for one to 2 seconds, thereby missing the period between tracks where no audible signal is present. I’ll admit I don’t know what problems this could throw up elsewhere but given the flexibility of their software, they could at least provide this as an option that could be activated purely for audio listening modes.

I have been assured that this issue will be resolved but it has been a few months since I pointed it out and I have heard nothing back from ADA, although Genesis insist they have been chasing the issue.

Originally Posted by Joelc

Yes and no, and I say this as a former 861 owner myself. The Meridian computer interface was painful to use and, like all things Meridian, a little finicky. The ADA computer interface is much different in that:

1. It is for one component, the processor, whereas the Meridian interface was for every piece of Meridian equipment.

2. It is simple to use in that it is "point and click" or "point and pick form a list"...not like Meridian's where you had to check a bunch of parameters to make sure that you got what you wanted.

3. It works...plain and simple.

Huh, can you please explain this as I have not yet read the article and do not know what you are referring to.

Originally Posted by Roger Dressler

Truncation of audio. They may indeed figure it out, of course, just as Classe finally did.

Originally Posted by sdurani

Seems to plague lots of manufacturers. My MC-12 started off this way. Took them a couple of firmware updates to fix it. ADA will hopefully figure it out.

Guess I'm one of the few that actually likes the cosmetics. The 1RU height and spartan looks are my cup of chai.