Originally Posted by Roger Dressler
If you don't know Dirac, how do you know you wouldn't like it? I think it is well worth serious consideration, having heard/used both.
Roger, last I remember, your experience with Trinnov was limited because the 972 broke; has that changed?
Originally Posted by djnickuk
And if I can I'll get the trinnov mc back so I can do direct comparison of rs20i and crm4 / trinnov.
I'm extremely interested in hearing about that.
Originally Posted by djnickuk
But for me, from the get go, the Datasat is probably going to stick around. It represents the most upgrability on a path I find very exciting.
Seems to me the most upgradable path is where the EQ is in its own box, so as surround processing advances you can just upgrade that.
I'm surprised you're ready to forsake the Trinnov given the experience you shared at avforums (below), and assuming you're that djnick.
The big question for me is, is how much of Trinnov's ability to create a soundscape is due to the EQ/phase correction which presumable gives excellent matching of all of the speakers, and how much is due to remapping.
And, how close can Dirac get to that?
I've been trying ease myself into the idea of getting the Trinnov, but while I can afford to, it will be a major distortion in my hereto fore relatively frugal ways.
Whereas it would be easy to spring for KAD's DL2 with 8 ch of Dirac (supposed to start shipping next month), and it's a small fraction of the Trinnov's price.
Originally Posted by djnickm;17296163
From the get go it was evident that not only was this a cut above all the other room eqs I have encountered it makes them all pale into nothingness.
The bass response that the trinnov is able to get from your sub / room is nothing short of astonishing. I can only get somewhere close to what the trinnov did by adding a second sub.
First thing I noticed was how much more bass there was. Not loudness but frequencies present in the mix.
My room has some nasty bass boosts and sucks. And particularly with Audyssey xt32 I find it just cuts those boosted frequencies with a wide filter causing quite a heavy lack in bass around the 40-80 hz range. And also no matter what I did with the sub I could always locate it. Always my hearing being drawn towards the front left speaker where the sub is located.
Not with trinnov. The sub is completely invisible in the soundstage, as are all the speakers. And all frequencies seem present and clear. But not only that the sub has absolutely no bloat or ringing. It stops dead when needed to. Giving such great impact on explosions, gun shots and general heavy sub moments.
My father from whom I inherited my ears and love of music and hifi hates subs. He appreciates their need in movies but still does not enjoy most peoples setups as the subs almost always smear the soundstage and ruin upper frequencies.
Well he was as gob smacked as me. The way the sub frequencies just stop as they should was the biggest impact for him.
I believe this is due to the way the trinnov completely aligns the subs and speakers in almost perfect phase. This can only be improved upon by the addition of a further 8 audio outputs to utilise the trinnovs active crossover. Then the unit will no exactly what each driver is doing in the time domain. Ensuring even tighter phasing.
Next is what the unit does to the mid and highs. Tbh, there is not a huge difference on the 2k and above to my hearing. This is probably down to my room treatments doing their thing.
But with the improved bass response and phasing all other frequencies improve as a result.
The best way I can describe what this does is that it's essentially balanced all speakers so perfectly that they kind of disappear. Almost like wearing some headphones.
The soundstage is multilayered with instruments, vocals etc being in for or background as required and recorded. The sound stage is so so wide whilst maintaining ultimate focus and dynamics. This creates the illusion your room is much bigger than it really is.
In comparison to say audyssey room eq it's a whole different ball game. I always found wth audyssey that it puts you in a bubble where all sounds quite good, particularly for films. I never liked audyssey for music. Not with the trinnov.
Music is just sublime. The sounds dance around the room with a delicate ease and in a very floaty, airy manner, whilst staying full bodied and heavy in bass. But remaining completely natural.
Film work and it goes to another level.
I have been watching all the Band Of Brothers episodes on Blu ray. And I have never been so blown away by ANY sound system I have heard to date. Period.
If the film is showing trench warfare then that it's where you are. You can hear people sliding around in the mud behind you. Can clearly hear a bullet flying just inches over your head. You can hear people yelling from all around whilst still being able to fully understand what ever narration or commentary is being thrown at you.
Move to a snowy woodland scene and the sound of snow under foot is so realistic you get a shiver as you can imagine being in the cold. You can hear twigs snap under foot from all around. Not from your speaker to the left or the rear speaker to the right, the sound seems to come from somewhere outside the room. It really is like being there.
Living with Trinnov.
Well I have enjoyed the trinnov so much and from that one single calibration that for the first time in months I have just spent the last month sitting back and thoroughly enjoying what I am hearing, experiencing. As some of you may know I am an eternal tweeker. I can not help but try and glean the best from my system. Not with trinnov. I was completely happy and somewhat in awe.
So have I kept it.
In short, at the mo, no. And there are 2 reasons for this. Well one really. And that is Datasat with their RS20i. The cost of the trinnov with 16 channel out as I would want and the Ada Crm 4 pro I already own would put the price higher than the RS20i. Now the trinnov and crm4 combo will be hard to beat but I am thinking of upgradability.
In my tests with the trinnov I tried my linn ds connected via digital to achieve room correction in the digital domain and I can clearly hear the benefits of this. So as this is something the datasat rs20i can do with movies I need to listen to an rs20i before I can make any kind of discision.
Having said all that the trinnov has such good dacs and adcs that you get NO degradation by passing thru the signal in the analogue domain. Unlike that of audyssey room eq where the resolution clearly gets a little crushed by the process.
Oh another thing before I close. I have always had issues with the right front speaker sounding a little closed in and the left surround being at such a height and so close that I find them difficult to hear at times. Not with trinnov. That did not care for such issues and just ironed them straight out.
So, if after I hear the datasat, at somepoint, and I feel the trinnov delivered a better sonic performance then I'll be getting this back in my room. For good.
So again, I just must thank Keith at Purite Audio for the loan of this unit and to Arnaud of Trinnov for his assistance in setup.
Please any questions you may have, fire away. There is loads I have of covered.
This really is more than just a room eq unit. It's a Trinnov Room eq unit.