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post #1 of 21
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Hey Guys. I have been reading non-stop for about a week on two specific plasma TVs i'm looking at. I'm trying to decide between the Panasonic TC-P50G10 and the Samsung PN50B650. Lets not have a flame ware here over these two TVs. Ive come to the conclusion that both TVs are excellent and you probably won't go wrong with either model. I tell you i am leaning towards the samsung because of the better colors, still excellent black levels, Yahoo WIdgets (i kind of like the idea). If there is another model (plasma) that i should be considering and i have not then let me know .

I do have some questions thought that i hope some of you can answer. I will order my questions in the order of importance.

1) In general (specifically with Plasma TVs)....is either Samsung or Panasonic considered to be more reliable or are they about the same? I think you really don't know about the reliability of a specific set until after at least a few years. In general has either one been more reliable? Has there been any specific issues with either model i listed that has came up that i haven't read? I haven't read anything specific at this point.

2) I'm still wresting with the idea of ordering this thing online. Because i don't have to mess with taxes and i don't have to wait for some super special sale to pick up my tv. Also generally you can get cashback on bing.com I think some of the better known ones are very trusted like OneCall, Vanns, Amazon, ect... I guess the only issue is of course if something is wrong with the set. Would you maybe have to box it up and ship it back to the seller? I definitely boxing the thing up and shipping it back or would you never have an issue like that because the warranty would be in-home?

I found some ebay sellers that look to good (excellent feedback and have been on ebay for a long time). For example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-PN50B650...item5ad4eceae2
but he says nothing about being an *authorized* samsung dealer. Would you be scared?

Do you just need to make sure the seller is authorized samsung/panasonic dealer? Of course anyone could *say* they are. Maybe there is something on samsung/panasonics site where you can double check?

Do you guys think i'm going to be blown away at the difference between my old set (a zenith/LG 50 in 720P plasma
http://www.amazon.com/Zenith-Z50PX2D.../dp/B000BI655U )?Don't know how far plasma technology has came in 4-5 years and if i'm going to be blown away. Its impossible to tell with the bad sources/lighting at most of the stores. I went to sears and just shook my head as they were feeding all the TVs beatles rockband that looked oversaturated and grainy on every tv they had.

Anyways any help would be appreciated.

thanks,
ncage
post #2 of 21
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70 views and not even one reply? Don't make me beg for help..hahah
post #3 of 21
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Guys is my post confusing or to long? I can edit if it helps. I'd really like some opinions here
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by ncage View Post

Guys is my post confusing or to long? I can edit if it helps. I'd really like some opinions here

Until the flood of responses flows in you can do a forum search and find both brands and hundreds of comments about each You will find all kinds of great information and comparisons.
post #5 of 21
1. Both are good TVs from great companies.

2. Only buy from an authorized, reputable dealer. eBay should not be on your list of vendors to buy a new TV from.
post #6 of 21
As an extremely happy owner of panasonic G10, i say Go ahead and buy whatever your eye set on. If you don't like you can always return.
post #7 of 21
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Originally Posted by vkarthik View Post

As an extremely happy owner of panasonic G10, i say Go ahead and buy whatever your eye set on. If you don't like you can always return.

I'd agree if i was buying local. Unfortunately not so easy to return if i don't.
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post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by gwsallen View Post

i love all my samsung's, 2333sw, ln46a650 & pn58a550. go for Samsung PN50B650 http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN50B650-50-Inch-1080p-Plasma/dp/B001W6NU9E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258561885&sr=1-1

Ya but thats not the issue. I'm pretty sure i'm going to go with the Samsung. Just wanted to know reliability issue and details about buying tvs online. Thats if i can get one too. I have heard best buy can't get any more in and they are telling people it has been discontinued. Both of the places i was looking to order the set from are out of stock. They do tell me they have an order it but if best buy is saying its been discontinued its got me a little concerned if they can get any more in. Amazon wants to much for the set or i would order from them.I just can't imagine Samsung discontinuing a set before they even announce the sucessor.
post #10 of 21
.. for B650, Crutchfield (use code: 3A825); extremely reliable, much more than eBay (umph!). fwiw, Sammie prob more accurate than other model.

reading:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...php?p=17534776 (similar)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1173351 (calibrator's point of view)

correction: oops, out of stock. check w/ them though.

Onecall, B&H, 6Ave also extremely good online vendors.
post #11 of 21
My Cousin said he baught a Samsung LN46B650(or was it 'A') LCD HDTV a couple of weeks ago...But i'm guessing it's no match for the Samsung PNB650

I told the guy to get the PN50B550 But nooo, he had to go LCD. why i'll never know...Besides he's just using it for movies, clearly Plasma is the better choice, but eh.
post #12 of 21
For overall reliability I don't think there's a lot of difference between the Pannys and Samsung. I also agree that the color and overall smoothness and detail of the picture is marginally better on the Samsung. The Samsung is, imho, a little more prone to IR, especially during the break-in period but with a minimal amount of care on the part of the user this should not be of much if any importance.
post #13 of 21
Since I am in the same boat as OP, let me post the differences I see so far (based on reviews on cnet):

1. B650- as 4 HDMI inputs, G10- has 3 HDMI inputs
2. B650- handles 1080p/24 sources (there is a glitch where picture setting are lost or something, but it still works), G10- does not handle 1080p/24 sources(on paper it supports 1080p/24, but in realty the picture flickers and is unusable)
3. B650- has slow Yahoo Widgets, G10 has better VieraCast
4. B650- has better color accuracy, G10- color is good, but has a green hue
5. B650- not as deep black, tough retains excellent black in brighter rooms, G10- better blacks, but blacks become gray in brighter rooms.
6. B650- Touch of Red, G10- Touch of Silver (at the bottom).
7. B650- numerous picture tweaks, G10- very few picture controls, has THX, but that is not very usable as the picture is dull in THX mode and it does not let you increase brightness in THX mode.
8. B650- Swivel Stand, G10- Fixed Stand
9. B650- Lower resolution (800 to 900 lines), G10 has Higher resolution (1080 lines). Looks like the difference is not really noticeable.
10. B650- Buzzing (for some), G10- No such buzzing
11. B650- regular screen, G10- Screen handles reflections much better
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by ajny View Post

Since I am in the same boat as OP, let me post the differences I see so far (based on reviews on cnet):

1. B650- as 4 HDMI inputs, G10- has 3 HDMI inputs
2. B650- handles 1080p/24 sources (there is a glitch where picture setting are lost or something, but it still works), G10- does not handle 1080p/24 sources(on paper it supports 1080p/24, but in realty the picture flickers and is unusable)
3. B650- has slow Yahoo Widgets, G10 has better VieraCast
4. B650- has better color accuracy, G10- color is good, but has a green hue
5. B650- not as deep black, tough retains excellent black in brighter rooms, G10- better blacks, but blacks become gray in brighter rooms.
6. B650- Touch of Red, G10- Touch of Silver (at the bottom).
7. B650- numerous picture tweaks, G10- very few picture controls, has THX, but that is not very usable as the picture is dull in THX mode and it does not let you increase brightness in THX mode.
8. B650- Swivel Stand, G10- Fixed Stand
9. B650- Lower resolution (800 to 900 lines), G10 has Higher resolution (1080 lines). Looks like the difference is not really noticeable.
10. B650- Buzzing (for some), G10- No such buzzing
11. B650- regular screen, G10- Screen handles reflections much better

About G10s

2) Not for me. It is perfectly usable. Ofcourse it depends on the sensitivity.

4) Green hue is only on THX. It is only slight.
post #15 of 21
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Originally Posted by ajny View Post

Since I am in the same boat as OP, let me post the differences I see so far (based on reviews on cnet):

1. B650- as 4 HDMI inputs, G10- has 3 HDMI inputs
2. B650- handles 1080p/24 sources (there is a glitch where picture setting are lost or something, but it still works), G10- does not handle 1080p/24 sources(on paper it supports 1080p/24, but in realty the picture flickers and is unusable)
3. B650- has slow Yahoo Widgets, G10 has better VieraCast
4. B650- has better color accuracy, G10- color is good, but has a green hue
5. B650- not as deep black, tough retains excellent black in brighter rooms, G10- better blacks, but blacks become gray in brighter rooms.
6. B650- Touch of Red, G10- Touch of Silver (at the bottom).
7. B650- numerous picture tweaks, G10- very few picture controls, has THX, but that is not very usable as the picture is dull in THX mode and it does not let you increase brightness in THX mode.
8. B650- Swivel Stand, G10- Fixed Stand
9. B650- Lower resolution (800 to 900 lines), G10 has Higher resolution (1080 lines). Looks like the difference is not really noticeable.
10. B650- Buzzing (for some), G10- No such buzzing
11. B650- regular screen, G10- Screen handles reflections much better

If you want one you better jump. It seems like everyone is running out of stock of them. Who knows if they will get more in. I think i'm about to jump with onecall. Amazon has them in stock but they generally want $100 more than most of the other places.
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by ncage View Post

If you want one you better jump. It seems like everyone is running out of stock of them. Who knows if they will get more in. I think i'm about to jump with onecall. Amazon has them in stock but they generally want $100 more than most of the other places.

Amazon is about $100 more, but if you have a Amazon card, they are offering 2Yr no interest financing....so the TV will be like $50/mo...tempting...plus 3% cash back on Amazon card for purchases at Amazon.com
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by ncage View Post

Hey Guys. I have been reading non-stop for about a week on two specific plasma TVs i'm looking at. I'm trying to decide between the Panasonic TC-P50G10 and the Samsung PN50B650. Lets not have a flame ware here over these two TVs. Ive come to the conclusion that both TVs are excellent and you probably won't go wrong with either model. I tell you i am leaning towards the samsung because of the better colors, still excellent black levels, Yahoo WIdgets (i kind of like the idea). If there is another model (plasma) that i should be considering and i have not then let me know .

I do have some questions thought that i hope some of you can answer. I will order my questions in the order of importance.

1) In general (specifically with Plasma TVs)....is either Samsung or Panasonic considered to be more reliable or are they about the same? I think you really don't know about the reliability of a specific set until after at least a few years. In general has either one been more reliable? Has there been any specific issues with either model i listed that has came up that i haven't read? I haven't read anything specific at this point.

2) I'm still wresting with the idea of ordering this thing online. Because i don't have to mess with taxes and i don't have to wait for some super special sale to pick up my tv. Also generally you can get cashback on bing.com I think some of the better known ones are very trusted like OneCall, Vanns, Amazon, ect... I guess the only issue is of course if something is wrong with the set. Would you maybe have to box it up and ship it back to the seller? I definitely boxing the thing up and shipping it back or would you never have an issue like that because the warranty would be in-home?

I found some ebay sellers that look to good (excellent feedback and have been on ebay for a long time). For example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-PN50B650...item5ad4eceae2
but he says nothing about being an *authorized* samsung dealer. Would you be scared?

Do you just need to make sure the seller is authorized samsung/panasonic dealer? Of course anyone could *say* they are. Maybe there is something on samsung/panasonics site where you can double check?

Do you guys think i'm going to be blown away at the difference between my old set (a zenith/LG 50 in 720P plasma
http://www.amazon.com/Zenith-Z50PX2D.../dp/B000BI655U )?Don't know how far plasma technology has came in 4-5 years and if i'm going to be blown away. Its impossible to tell with the bad sources/lighting at most of the stores. I went to sears and just shook my head as they were feeding all the TVs beatles rockband that looked oversaturated and grainy on every tv they had.

Anyways any help would be appreciated.

thanks,
ncage

As far as reliability goes, any numbers that I have seen show Panasonic with an edge in failure rates. I believe it was 2% for Panasonic as opposed to 5% for Samsung, of course it all depends on how you calculate such stats. Although lately, I have heard a lower 3% number for Samsung. Panasonic also seems to have a better rep for customer service. I like the look of the Samsung's too, though.

You might also consider online order/local pick up. Sears US is known to offer special deals online with discounts, rebates and cashback, but still allow pick up and return at a local store. Not sure about their price matching policy online though.
There is one situation where you might want to return a display that you ordered online. That you simply don't like it. Personal taste comes into it, even with well reviewed and greatly appreciated sets, sometimes one aspect about how it looks or how it works, bother's you. If it's locally purchased you can just return it for another brand/model. If it's online you may be in for both return shipping and a restocking charge.
post #18 of 21
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Well guys i made the leap. I decided to go with 6th ave. Their website showed 1139 with free shipping. They have link on the product page that says "email me for a lower price"...which i did. They emailed me in about 3 minutes with 1044.00 with free shipping. This is the lowest price ive seen from an authorized retailer. I also applied for the 6th ave card for 12 months no interest financing. I can tell you its confusing as hell though. I was accepted and given and account number / credit limit / reference number. When you go to use it on 6th ave site they ask you for an account number / expiration date. Well well my acceptance form didn't have any expiration date. So i called the credit card company and they weren't any help at all. They said they can't look at my app for 24 hours. So anyways i go back to 6th ave site and try to enter just the account number without an expiration date (it had a "*" by it which means it was required). Well looks like it worked because my order went through.

I can tell you if you would rather go with onecall they had a close price to 6th ave after cashback at bing.com but after i asked them what happens if there is an issue with the tv within the first 30 days. They said you should call the manufacturer which means they aren't that much better than 6th ave. I can say they do have better phone manners though. They also had 12 months with their credit card.

I just hope that they get more in stock and i don't have any buzzing issues.
post #19 of 21
.. sounds good. remember to inspect well when it arrives - any punctures or rough/flattened edges could reflect poor handling; if box shows damage, call 6Ave for advice on refusing delivery.
if they/deliver's don't want to stick a/r and/or unpack, write "subject to inspection" on the invoice (notes section); you might even call 6Ave to protect yourself.
prob other suggestions, but they escape me right now. hope it works out positively .. last thought b/f bed last night .. i should have suggested you hold off until BF (black friday) .. maybe a good deal could be found locally. 6Ave is a reputable Co., purchased several A/V products fm them; shouldn't have any problems (knock-knock).
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by ncage View Post

Well guys i made the leap. I decided to go with 6th ave. Their website showed 1139 with free shipping. They have link on the product page that says "email me for a lower price"...which i did. They emailed me in about 3 minutes with 1044.00 with free shipping. This is the lowest price ive seen from an authorized retailer. I also applied for the 6th ave card for 12 months no interest financing. I can tell you its confusing as hell though. I was accepted and given and account number / credit limit / reference number. When you go to use it on 6th ave site they ask you for an account number / expiration date. Well well my acceptance form didn't have any expiration date. So i called the credit card company and they weren't any help at all. They said they can't look at my app for 24 hours. So anyways i go back to 6th ave site and try to enter just the account number without an expiration date (it had a "*" by it which means it was required). Well looks like it worked because my order went through.

I can tell you if you would rather go with onecall they had a close price to 6th ave after cashback at bing.com but after i asked them what happens if there is an issue with the tv within the first 30 days. They said you should call the manufacturer which means they aren't that much better than 6th ave. I can say they do have better phone manners though. They also had 12 months with their credit card.

I just hope that they get more in stock and i don't have any buzzing issues.

What made you decide to go with the Samsung B650 over the G10? Thanks.
post #21 of 21
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

What made you decide to go with the Samsung B650 over the G10? Thanks.

The reason i did in order of importance

1) Better Colors
2) Better picture controls.
3) Slightly better price.
4) Kind of like the yahoo widgets.
5) Like the swivel base and the two tone look

Also impressed after this review:
http://www.displaycalibrationonline....lasma_2009.asp

Some people seem to have a buzzing issue though. It seems like any tv you look at has some type of issue though and this is pretty minor compared to some of the other issues. A lot of people don't have the issue. Out of like 50 reviews on amazon i think only 1-2 reviewers said they had the issue which is pretty good considering people seem to write reviews more when they have issues then if they are happy.
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