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My HTPC I would like but may have copyright issues...help

post #1 of 22
11/18/09 at 10:59am
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First off... I DO NOT HAVE ANY INTENTION OF STEALING MOVIES!
I have multple tvs in my house and the need to watch by owned blurays on all tvs. I am not bragging but my income is sufficient to support my love for movies and stealing is something that I cannot tolerate.

Thank you

Now I have not had any luck finding exactly what I'm looking for in the forums, so I'll start a new thread. Here is what I'm looking for...

-A way in that I can take my blu-ray collection "rip" them in some way to possibly many hard drives and have a device with remote that I can select movies by title, genre, or search and have the covers displayed. I can then click on a movie and have it play as if I just put the disk into a blu-ray player, navigational with all menus and extras. I do not want ANY lose of audio/video quality and I would like to have HDMI 1.3a, deepcolor, and Dolby TruHD/DTS-HD Master Audio Bitstream capabilities.

Is this possible?

Thank you for any help.
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post #2 of 22
11/18/09 at 11:02am
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Originally Posted by Bunke101 View Post

Is this possible?

No

-Suntan
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post #3 of 22
11/18/09 at 11:03am
Take a look at slysoft's anyddvd-hd. Super easy.

Yes yes, I realize that it's breaking copy protection, but it's also fair use to make a copy for your own personal use. Conflicting laws. You pick I guess
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post #4 of 22
11/18/09 at 11:23am
As mentioned, AnyDVD will allow you to make ISO backups. You can store them on any PC or NAS device on your network. You can play them back on a HTPC with PAP-compatible hardware, or on a device like the Popcorn Hour C-200.

It is absolutely possible, but not without breaking the DMCA.
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post #5 of 22
11/18/09 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

As mentioned, AnyDVD will allow you to make ISO backups. You can store them on any PC or NAS device on your network. You can play them back on a HTPC with PAP-compatible hardware, or on a device like the Popcorn Hour C-200.

A breakdown please of the specific hardware that allows you to catalog *and* play full BR disc isos with full menu support and full audio support?

Unless something has changed since I last looked, the PCH still can't do it.

Nevermind competent cataloging support, are there any software players available for the PC that support full menus and audio from .iso rips? I didn't think there was.

-Suntan
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post #6 of 22
11/18/09 at 12:33pm
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I guess the Sony BDP-CX960 is the closest thing to what I've trying to achieve.
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post #7 of 22
11/18/09 at 12:46pm
On a related note, is it possible to rip Blu-ray to ISO using just ImgBurn or something? No AnyDVD HD running in the background so protection is intact. If yes, would it then be possible to mount the resulting ISO and have it recognized as a regular Blu-ray disc by Total Media Theatre or similar software?
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post #8 of 22
11/18/09 at 12:52pm
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

On a related note, is it possible to rip Blu-ray to ISO using just ImgBurn or something? No AnyDVD HD running in the background so protection is intact. If yes, would it then be possible to mount the resulting ISO and have it recognized as a regular Blu-ray disc by Total Media Theatre or similar software?

Not a chance. That is exactly what copy protection was developed to prevent. You want your movies any other way than as they came from the store, you have to break the law to do it (or move out of America.)

However, if it is just the issue of AnyDVDs cost, you can use DVDfab HD Decrypter to rip Blu Rays. It is freeware and as of a recent update, handles BD+.

-Suntan
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post #9 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

A breakdown please of the specific hardware that allows you to catalog *and* play full BR disc isos with full menu support and full audio support?

No one piece of software will do both. To play ISO backups, you need a blu-ray player like Total Media Theater 3. To catalog them, you can use any frontend (WMC, XBMC, etc) that allows for an external player to be launched. You set it up to launch TMT3 for BD ISOs, and away you go.

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Unless something has changed since I last looked, the PCH still can’t do it.

Things have changed.

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Nevermind competent cataloging support, are there any software players available for the PC that support full menus and audio from .iso rips? I didn’t think there was.

Yes. TMT3 will play the full disc, including menus, HD audio, etc. You need PAP-compliant hardware, but it does work.
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post #10 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by Bunke101 View Post

Is this possible?

You should wait for the BD version of Kaleidascape.
It might test your income but will certainly do what you want if released...

Diogen.
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post #11 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:08pm
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You should wait for the BD version of Kaleidascape.

According to the latest court rulings, Kaleidascape isn't exactly legal either.
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post #12 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Not a chance. That is exactly what copy protection was developed to prevent. You want your movies any other way than as they came from the store, you have to break the law to do it (or move out of America.)

However, if it is just the issue of AnyDVDs cost, you can use DVDfab HD Decrypter to rip Blu Rays. It is freeware and as of a recent update, handles BD+.

-Suntan

Ok, thanks. I actually have a lifetime subscription to AnyDVD HD. I was just curious if it was possible. There's an option in AnyDVD HD to rip the movie while keeping protection. Is that basically the same thing as ripping with ImgBurn without AnyDVD HD running in the background?
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post #13 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

Is that basically the same thing as ripping with ImgBurn without AnyDVD HD running in the background?

No. Without AnyDVD running, you cannot rip the disc at all.
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post #14 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

According to the latest court rulings, Kaleidascape isn't exactly legal either.

Good point.
But as long as they are allowed to sell their products I would have a hard time to accept the "illegal" label...

Diogen.
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post #15 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:18pm
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But as long as they are allowed to sell their products I would have a hard time to accept the "illegal" label...

If you're in the market for a $10k DVD jukebox, I suggest you get one soon. They lost their latest appeal and an injunction against selling their systems looks very likely.
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post #16 of 22
11/18/09 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by candre23 View Post

If you're in the market for a $10k DVD jukebox, I suggest you get one soon.

No, I'm not...
My HTPC does 90% of it for 10% of the price. Maybe even 95/5...

Diogen.
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post #17 of 22
11/18/09 at 2:32pm
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If you're in the market for a $10k DVD jukebox, I suggest you get one soon. They lost their latest appeal and an injunction against selling their systems looks very likely.

Completely OT, but I wonder what the odds of the their IP "leaking" out are if they do really lose. And I mean more the OS/player stuff than the actual CSS handling stuff.
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post #18 of 22
11/18/09 at 2:37pm
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Completely OT, but I wonder what the odds of the their IP "leaking" out are if they do really lose. And I mean more the OS/player stuff than the actual CSS handling stuff.

Would it make a difference if it did? There are already a dozen programs that will rip a DVD to a hard drive, and several that do a much nicer job of cataloging them. The Kaleidascape system was impressive six or seven years ago when it first shipped, but it's barely mediocre these days.
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post #19 of 22
11/18/09 at 3:46pm
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Not a chance. That is exactly what copy protection was developed to prevent. You want your movies any other way than as they came from the store, you have to break the law to do it (or move out of America.)

However, if it is just the issue of AnyDVDs cost, you can use DVDfab HD Decrypter to rip Blu Rays. It is freeware and as of a recent update, handles BD+.

-Suntan

...And then write your representative and demand they fix the ridiculous copyright laws that are crippling technology advancement and personal freedom.
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post #20 of 22
11/18/09 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by ilovejedd View Post

Ok, thanks. I actually have a lifetime subscription to AnyDVD HD. I was just curious if it was possible. There's an option in AnyDVD HD to rip the movie while keeping protection. Is that basically the same thing as ripping with ImgBurn without AnyDVD HD running in the background?

yes, you can do this. you can either disable anydvd and create an encrypted iso with imgburn, or anydvd image ripper can make an image with the encryption intact.

of course you will need anydvd running to play the image.

slysoft used to recommend this approach for creating images. not sure if that is still true.
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post #21 of 22
11/18/09 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by Derek K. View Post

yes, you can do this. you can either disable anydvd and create an encrypted iso with imgburn, or anydvd image ripper can make an image with the encryption intact.

of course you will need anydvd running to play the image.

slysoft used to recommend this approach for creating images. not sure if that is still true.

Thanks. Just asking since I created a batch file which uses ImgBurn for ripping DVD's and I was wondering if I might be able to use the same for Blu-ray ripping. I read somewhere that some Blu-ray and HD DVD titles weren't very well supported so ripping them to non-encrypted ISO's resulted in incompatible images or something to that effect. At least that was the case some time ago. I know that's probably changed so to avoid any hassles, I just rip my discs to encrypted ISO using the AnyDVD ripper and install a copy of AnyDVD HD on all HTPC's. If ImgBurn can rip encrypted ISO's, though (as long as AnyDVD is disabled), I think I'll go that route. It'll be much easier for automation.
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post #22 of 22
11/18/09 at 6:34pm
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Would it make a difference if it did? There are already a dozen programs that will rip a DVD to a hard drive, and several that do a much nicer job of cataloging them. The Kaleidascape system was impressive six or seven years ago when it first shipped, but it's barely mediocre these days.

I don't believe anybody has yet to match K-scape in terms of "whole package", ie robust, professional metadata, management features, and integrated player.

Sure if a glitzy UI are your primary interest, yeah, current PC-based solutions show up K-scape pretty well, but I think K-scape still wins in almost every other area (other than cost )
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