"the upgrade company" <component mods> - Page 58  

Hi Gizmologist,

Have you done any recent mods, without voiding the warranty, to products from the manufacturers mentioned here? (Denon, EMM, Esoteric)

Dave

I am not interested in these as I have a system that works quite well for me and I am not in the biz of consumer mods. The technology is the same albeit the professional stuff has to last longer, be much more rugged and flawless in operation as much of this equipment is used in broadcast and satt systems where unscheduled down time is a big nono.

I am sure that some of the "modders" may well be able to work with a manufacturer such that warranties of at least some of the components would not be voided by the mods. It would depend on the quality of the workmanship and what was done. Items such as drives and transports should be OK.

However if a "modder" mutilates the original PCB as is evidenced by the pics of the TUC debacle, then I doubt there would be any hesitation on the part of the warranty station in saying "oh HELL no!"

Yeah right, you are so entrenched on the side of TUC & DS, that you keep ignoring a LOT of the facts! Like the fact that he freely posts here whenever it seems to suit his own purpose, or to make wild accusations.

And yet again, as per this prior post in this very same thread, and which in fact has been pointed out to you before.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post18069024
You have also totally ignored the fact that someone that did email him, was told the BS excuse that his printer did not work and he could not provide him with any measurements because of that.

LOL. "Brought me down to earth"? Do you support medical marijuana? Because me thinks you hiddeth thee bog. I love it when the rat pack huddles together. If you join the game and throw a fresbee, I guaranty, you will be hit with a fresbee.

Hard to type, laughing too hard.

hitteth
boNg
frisbee
guarantee

may be, but your 'toking' doesn't help your spelling...
sounds like you are smoking the weed...
why is everyone who disagrees with you a 'rat'?
you make no sense...

ahhhh...Marin County, weed capital of the US

Spacing,imaging, stage size in width height and depth, blackness,much more refined, detailed and fluid. Texture of instruments are much more exact and reedy. Bass depth and pitch is tightened and stronger which brings in a lot of low level detail which was sloppy to say the least and is in all stock equipment I have ever heard. It is very hard to find the speed of this bass in average off the shelf gear. Schulte's Oppo 83SE is a very high end player and would put a smile on any golden ear audiophile. I would be extremely shocked to see someone send this unit back for a refund and would want to know the player in which they kept. I doubt I would allow myself to buy such a player these days however.

Instruments are "more reedy"? Pitch is "tightened and stronger"? Really? Pitch? WTF have YOU been smoking?

You sound like a bad caricature of an overbearing wine snob; the next thing you'll be telling us is how your "golden ear" Oppo has just the slightest forward hint of central Oregon lingonberries and a finish of underripe kiwi fruit mixed with aged gouda.

Sheesh, what a pompous fool...

I was laughing so hard at the line of fertilizer I hit the wrong key.

Damn! I have got to get the bridge brochures out and posted. These guys will buy me out in ten minutes!

I love the wine analogy as well. It really fits well.

"Spacing,imaging, stage size in width height and depth, blackness,much more refined, detailed and fluid. Texture of instruments are much more exact and reedy. Bass depth and pitch is tightened and stronger"


ROTFLMAO...... What a bunch of bovine emissions.


Why, why, why, that all just sounds so supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

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"Even though the sound of it
Is something quite atrocious
If you say it loud enough
You'll always sound precocious"

How apt.

Ahh more rookie wannabe snobbery!LOL Maybe a new job could afford you a little wine once in a while. But then again I think you have enough WHINE to go around for everyone. Anyone for another round?

I start to get the feeling that some of these posters are actually women posing as men. Just reading that last sentence makes me feel less of a man let a lone actually writing it. Even reading the word bovine makes me legs a bit rubbery. When I read it my little pinky shot out and I had no control over it. WTF is up with that!

Oh, so it's not "manly" enough for you and now you have gender issues? Sorry to have have confused you so much when I associated your babble with cow pies, when it was clearly BS...

Don't be so hard on yourself. When it comes to churlish insults, you have a real talent for smallness!

Now, what was it you were saying about more refined, fluid blackness? Us rookie wannabes really wanna learn all about this from a golden ear audiophile!

Do these guys even understand HOW any of this gear works? I think not.

If I was not an honest guy I would start hawking my own Hyperbole brand of esoteric claptrap. I bet I could come up with some gadgets not yet contrived to help drain the wallets of the terminally gullible.

I really feel sorry for the wives and families of these guys watching them throw good money away for absolutely nothing.

What say we start a list for new ideas for the audiophool segment of society?

Anyone want to contribute? Just give us some idea of what you come up with to deepen the blacks, and make the bass frequencies warp the time/space fabric, take the woodwinds to the next level of expanding the grain in the woods to enhance the reedy sounds to the point of eargasm.

I would take you serious if I really thought you had experience in mid- high end audio. Instead you spend your time here blowing hot air about how much you know about electrical current in commercial audio systems. Start experimenting with top line equipment and cables then come back with answers and what you have found to work and not work or learned. At least you can then say you have tried various mid-hi end systmes. Maybe take some of your followers here with you and get them some experience as well. It is needed. Also, If you had any chingas you would build something for all of us to hear that should rival anything out there in the market. We await your electrical wizardry of sonic bliss!
Ya, that'l happen.
Do you ever get tired of patting yourself on the back and letting the world know how much you know about electricity? Seems this might be the only place where anyone cares to listen perhaps.

I read it like this:

Spacing (how far he's sitting from the speakers)
Imaging (he's watching a video)
Stage size (he moved his system from the bedroom to the family room)
Blackness (he turned the lights off)
Refined (he's listening to classical music/opera)
Detailed (has cd/dvd lyrics booklet in hand to sing along with music)
Fluid (he's listening to waterfalls)
Texture (the video of his "instruments" is in HD)
Bass (subwoofer placement is closer to him and gain increased)

The last sentence : "I doubt I would allow myself to buy such a player these days however."

I think he means, "I can't believe I spent all my money on this TUC upgrade that I can not afford to purchase a less-expensive stock player that performs just as well and still has it's warranty intact."

But, of course, I could be wrong. This is just my opinion.

Carry on, gentlemen.

Why would I want someone who's playing a violin to have it sound reedy?

Typical TUC talk,must be DS on vacation chat.
You are a fine represetative of the TUC's promotional tactics.
I actually beg people to buy his wisdom,it is absolute????????
You,RNO,are also forgetting the facts
-1yr TUC warranty means that DS and only DS(well,TUC and their out of town repair shop in IL) will fix that player forever!!!!
-TUC has been kicked off almost all the forums he goes on like Audiogon & Audio Circle....I believe MSS Hifi was also kicked off Audiogon for being a rude company.............$999USD will get you this man
-you will get the right to cut down other appreciated highend modifiers and accuse International magazines(all of which give testing details) as being criminals
-$999 will get you into a near million dollar company that cant afford a printer

so i erge you to spend your money,

I see where you get your manners,and they only cost you $999USD
I mean do you believe that cutting down people who are simply asking for some sort of proof of claims that a $1000 player is equal to a $45,000 3pc unit.Are you that gullable?
I cannot believe you are not the least bit curious,as are many!
Yet you cut down the ones who are.
And the priests,that is a first in all the HI FI advertasments I've seen and you back this tactic up,or is it all about the sound?
Sound should never need this kind of shifty head games,only medicine that you buy off a travelling salesman who says "for $10 this syrum will cure cancer"
Is this what you stand for?

If we want this thread to remain open so that the merits/existence of SQ improvements from TUC's work can be discussed there can't be all of these personal attacks going on (no matter how much of an a$$ you may consider the other person) - the thread has already been shutdown at least once.

Dave,I am sure you are a great guy but do you really believe that TUC's $999 mod will get a person into $45,000 worth of sound?I understand it is about a induviduals happiness but these claims are over the top.If GM said for $999 we can give you 300mpg,wouldn't you be a little curious?
Yet all you guys do is turn a blind eye and become curious about the curious.
No disrespect intended to you.

'spacing' = what happens after the TUC listener practices 'puff, puff, pass' lol

after a session of that you could (and would) hear any 'improvements' you wanted to
heck, your dog might even ask you to make him some pancakes

...too many reefer movie references dude

To pile on here, from Denon tech support:

Response (Nabil Mneimneh) - 03/10/2010 09:57 AM
Having any modifications done to your receiver by anyone other than an Authorized Denon Repair center will unequivocally void your warranty.

If I may quote Dan Wright, president/founder of Modwright Instruments, "Remember: if it sounds good, it IS good!" I cannot for the life of me see how anyone can bash a company before they even listen to it's products. I know why they bash and complain, I just think it is utterly idiotic.

so, all who believe technically questionable mods offer nothing, are 'idiots'...but not just idiotic, but 'utterly' idiotic, nice
even though they base this conclusion of years and years of engineering experience and hifi experimentation...


'good' is subjective, not objective...

the equipment is NOT TUC's product: it is Esoterics, Denons, etc.
that's like saying if you put an Elderbrock manifold on a Chevy, it becomes an Elderbrock, silly

Talk2Me, I completely understand and respect your POV (albeit unorthodox). Where the discrepancies lie, is that for a long time no one actually knew what TUC exactly did to their units because it was forbidden to take the lid off the unit, or have any idea of what was done in terms of modifications. You had to make the purchase of "good faith". With this being said, I am sure most here are aware of the "placebo effect". When you call to inquire, you are bombarded with superlatives as to what expect in terms of audible changes, so when you receive the player, you are looking to hear exactly what was described, so the seed was already planted before you ever received your unit. You combine this with the fact that not a single person here either heard the unit before the mod, or didn't have access to a second unit for confirmation and you end with up many raised brows.

Fast forward, we now have actual evidence of what is done to units and what seems to be the base for TUC's modifications which includes wrapping cables that are already shielded, a couple of cheap ferrite beads and recently a blue fluid all over the PCB board. It is very easy to count the number of parts on at least one of the units pictured in this thread and it is barely touches 15 parts where as the claims are "300+ parts".

So, you take all of this, throw in a substantial amount of misbehavior from the owner in terms of threatening peoples families, making very inappropriate remarks about death and abuse, and you have the makings of a very unethical company.

I want to make light of all of this by proposing a question... If I wrap the wires in my laptop, apply "AVM" on the PCB, is the screen going to be brighter, processor faster and keys "more fluid like? My point here is that unless you are changing the electrical properties of the components, from a technical, physical, engineering standpoint, it is impossible for it to make a difference.

Once you also become experienced then you will understand grasshopper.

Spacing, imaging in between instruments and the depth in which the player is playing as well as cymbal spacing and location. You feel as if you can reach out and grab the cymbal. You can actually feel the drummer move from cymbal to cymbal and are able to tell the actual size of the cymbal. Very realistic and a lot of fun to get to this point. One day you may find yourself having a system that can produce such imaging that gets closer to the real thing. But we probably won't hear from you again becasue it would be embarrasing for you to come back here with that knowledge. You and your rookie friends need to move on and start a new thread pertaining to electricity and leave the high end stuff to people who actually own and have tried mid-hi end equipment. To me no experience equals hot air. See around kiddo.