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post #2101 of 2187
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Well, here's a quote that I stole: According to Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary, 11th Edition, perception is "physical sensation interpreted in the light of experience."
In other words, you cannot perceive the physical sensations directly but only through the filter of your experience and mental state. This process is unconscious and undefeatable despite conscious effort and/or denial. So, to trumpet that you are not influenced by imagination or placebo is to profess the impossible.

I have no problem with you or anyone else saying that you make distinctions based on subjective personal experience without any reference or controls and that these choices personal are significant and relevant to you. I do have a problem when someone does such and offers it a evidence of a real and/or objective distinction.

That said, I'm even more interested in your opinion of the 802d and 802di
post #2102 of 2187
Well this looks like it might be the last we hear from DS, I think he may have finally ran out of excuses so he's "taking his toys and going home". Let's see first his data and measurements were secert so he would not post them. Then everyone was instructed to only email or call him directly, still no response. Then he had measurements but did not have a printer, still waiting on that printer. Then he was in the process of taking the measurements, after he already stated that he had measurements. Now it seems that because of "our attitudes and behaviour" he is not going to post any measurements. I've heard more excuses from elementary school kids.
post #2103 of 2187
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Well, I hate to sound like an elitist (although I am) but at some point one has to acknowledge that education and experience in any field does qualify a person and make his statements, in that field, more likely to be correct than those of untrained individuals. Opinion is something else.

Hi Kal - I have no issue at all with your comments here. Thanks, Dave
post #2104 of 2187
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Originally Posted by BWG707 View Post

Well this looks like it might be the last we hear from DS, I think he may have finally ran out of excuses so he's "taking his toys and going home". Let's see first his data and measurements were secert so he would not post them. Then everyone was instructed to only email or call him directly, still no response. Then he had measurements but did not have a printer, still waiting on that printer. Then he was in the process of taking the measurements, after he already stated that he had measurements. Now it seems that because of "our attitudes and behaviour" he is not going to post any measurements. I've heard more excuses from elementary school kids.


All talk, no cojones. I hope anyone who is considering mods sees him for what he is.
post #2105 of 2187
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Well, I hate to sound like an elitist (although I am) but at some point one has to acknowledge that education and experience in any field does qualify a person and make his statements, in that field, more likely to be correct than those of untrained individuals. Opinion is something else.

that doesn't seem to stop many folks around here
post #2106 of 2187
All,

I got sad as i read this post; Dave has provided me with several products and there has never been any problems.
For those of you that have had any, i suggest like others that you mail him, he always reply.
I guess he has a different approach than other in the business, but that shouldnt call for non documented allogations.
My Esoteric X-03SE TUC has outperformed several cd players, at higher costs. I trust my ears - as many others who has visited me.

P.
post #2107 of 2187
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Originally Posted by pbfloe View Post

All,

I got sad as i read this post; Dave has provided me with several products and there has never been any problems.
For those of you that have had any, i suggest like others that you mail him, he always reply.
I guess he has a different approach than other in the business, but that shouldnt call for non documented allogations.
My Esoteric X-03SE TUC has outperformed several cd players, at higher costs. I trust my ears - as many others who has visited me.

P.

Dave, is that you again?
post #2108 of 2187
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Originally Posted by pbfloe View Post

All,

I got sad as i read this post; Dave has provided me with several products and there has never been any problems.
For those of you that have had any, i suggest like others that you mail him, he always reply.
I guess he has a different approach than other in the business, but that shouldnt call for non documented allogations.
My Esoteric X-03SE TUC has outperformed several cd players, at higher costs. I trust my ears - as many others who has visited me.

P.

His "different approach than other in the business" is to only respond to what he wants to respond to, not answering any questions concerning data or measurements. Also it is a different approach to insult your potential customers and to lie to them. Yes all in all he does have a "different approach than other in the business." On a side note how do you know that your Esoteric TUC outperforms higher priced cd players? Could you please submit your evidence? Thank you.
post #2109 of 2187
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Originally Posted by pbfloe View Post

All,

I got sad as i read this post; Dave has provided me with several products and there has never been any problems.
For those of you that have had any, i suggest like others that you mail him, he always reply.
I guess he has a different approach than other in the business, but that shouldnt call for non documented allogations.
My Esoteric X-03SE TUC has outperformed several cd players, at higher costs. I trust my ears - as many others who has visited me.

P.




Since light travels faster than sound, isn't that why some people appear bright until you hear them speak?
post #2110 of 2187
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

Pretty funny, just joined up and a first time poster, terrible spelling, praising TUC, but with no real PROOF to back him up. And yet he is complaining about people and their "non documented allogations" of TUC's work and his business practices. When they in fact have posted photo proof, and explained their actual problems that they have had with some of TUC's work, and also with his somewhat sometimes very dubious business practices.

Sorry, it's TUC and his supporters that have provided no documents or measurements to back them up. It's these blind supporters and also TUC/DS that make "allogations", yet can not really prove anything of what they say!

Just joined up yes; one there always have to be a first time for everything...
And sorry for the language; i am not from the us nor english speaking but from the far north scandinavia.
As for proof, i use my ears; i have heard the standard esoteric ux-1 against my x-03se together with the owner of the ux-1 and the owner of an APL 4.0 NWGO. We all agreed that my x-03 bettered the ux-1. Other "PROOF" than that i dont have. I also cannot and wont have an opinion about other customers and their experience
P.
post #2111 of 2187
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Originally Posted by pbfloe View Post

Just joined up yes; one there always have to be a first time for everything...
And sorry for the language; i am not from the us nor english speaking but from the far north scandinavia.
As for proof, i use my ears; i have heard the standard esoteric ux-1 against my x-03se together with the owner of the ux-1 and the owner of an APL 4.0 NWGO. We all agreed that my x-03 bettered the ux-1. Other "PROOF" than that i dont have. I also cannot and wont have an opinion about other customers and their experience
P.


I'm sorry but the Esoteric X-03SE is a better sounding player than the UX-1 in stock form as I have compared the two back to back.
The X-03SE is also better sounding than the X-01 and the X-01SE in my opinion.
post #2112 of 2187
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Originally Posted by classba View Post

I'm sorry but the Esoteric X-03SE is a better sounding player than the UX-1 in stock form as I have compared the two back to back.
The X-03SE is also better sounding than the X-01 and the X-01SE in my opinion.

Did you level match and setup/control the listening test properly?
post #2113 of 2187
if you want to discuss technical issues, please do so

if you want to attack other posters, you will be asked to leave the thread
post #2114 of 2187
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Originally Posted by penngray View Post

Did you level match and setup/control the listening test properly?


Did either of them do that?
post #2115 of 2187
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Originally Posted by ronesp View Post

Did either of them do that?


I do not have any test equipment to level match but all were done in my own system, same volume, cables and same track. Since all players mentioned are from the same manufactory so I can only assume they will be the same. Please correct me if I'am wrong.
post #2116 of 2187
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Originally Posted by classba View Post

I do not have any test equipment to level match

How do you go from that to this? VVV
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but all were done in my own system, same volume,

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I can only assume they will be the same.

Confirmation is what's needed, not assumption.
post #2117 of 2187
Rich (naturephoto1),

If you're still around, I just finished reading your HT thread over at bluray website (I'm not a member there and don't want to start a war on that thread so I'm posting here). All I can say say, with my jaw hitting the ground, is WOW!! You have some really sweet equipment there (in spite of my thoughts on the TUC upgrades), but didn't you think that maybe those prototypes that DS was building were going to overpower that room? I mean l/r 6' tall, a center , surrounds and rears 3' tall along with 2 conquests, all that equipment, the Berklines, in a room 19x14 (give or take a few inches) You have over 1000 lbs. of speakers there. And the room is closed off. My God! Didn't DS have any concerns about this? Doesn't seem to be a consultant of any value to me. Of course my take of DS on this is that all he saw was mega $$$ dancing across his eyes and another 300% increase in business. To me he was just taking advantage of you. In my opinion he should have discouraged you from purchasing these, maybe suggested going with some maybe half their size or better yet, going out and auditioning something tried and true. From your posts it sounded like you haven't really been out listening to speakers in 6-7 years. That's the route I would take. By the way, I've heard the Nola vipers and thought they were very nice. And since you already have the center maybe that's something to consider but again, going with those big Nola references might create problems in the room. Since it sounds like the two of you were thinking of going into business together (maybe not) to bring these out to market and being the beta tester, he should have let you try them without charging you.

Now you're going with some OMA's, also prototypes with 18 in. drivers I think you said, along with those 2 conquests I hope you're not getting yourself into the same situation again. At least you know you'll get a full refund with them if they don't work out. Something DS should have also done. I don't know, I know you've been extremely happy with his work but his business practices leave alot to be desired (IMO) with little if any concern about his customers and their needs other than what he can get out of them. And please understand, I have no problem with people spending their money however they like to achieve whatever goal it is they are after. To each his own. Wish I could spend that much on this hobby. I wish you good luck and hope it all works out for you.

P.S. With the seating up against the windows, where are you planning to put the rear speakers?
post #2118 of 2187
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Originally Posted by ronesp View Post

Rich (naturephoto1),

If you're still around, I just finished reading your HT thread over at bluray website (I'm not a member there and don't want to start a war on that thread so I'm posting here). All I can say say, with my jaw hitting the ground, is WOW!! You have some really sweet equipment there (in spite of my thoughts on the TUC upgrades), but didn't you think that maybe those prototypes that DS was building were going to overpower that room? I mean l/r 6' tall, a center , surrounds and rears 3' tall along with 2 conquests, all that equipment, the Berklines, in a room 19x14 (give or take a few inches) You have over 1000 lbs. of speakers there. And the room is closed off. My God! Didn't DS have any concerns about this? Of course my take of DS on this is that all he saw was mega $$$ dancing across his eyes and another 300% increase in business. To me he was just taking advantage of you. In my opinion he should have discouraged you from purchasing these, maybe suggested going with some maybe half their size or better yet, going out and auditioning something tried and true. From your posts it sounded like you haven't really been out listening to speakers in 6-7 years. That's the route I would take. By the way, I've heard the Nola vipers and thought they were very nice. And since you already have the center maybe that's something to consider but again, going with those big Nola references might create problems in the room. Since it sounds like the two of you were thinking of going into business together (maybe not) to bring these out to market and being the beta tester, he should have let you try them without charging you.

Now you're going with some OMA's, also prototypes with 18 in. drivers I think you said, along with those 2 conquests I hope you're not getting yourself into the same situation again. At least you know you'll get a full refund with them if they don't work out. Something DS should have also done. I don't know, I know you've been extremely happy with his work but his business practices leave alot to be desired (IMO). And please understand, I have no problem with people spending their money however they like to achieve whatever goal it is they are after. To each his own. Wish I could spend that much on this hobby. I wish you good luck and hope it all works out for you.

P.S. With the seating up against the windows, where are you planning to put the rear speakers?

Hi,

Yes, I am still around, but have been staying out of the discussion. I have also heard the Nola Viper Reference II in the past (they now are in revision III). I could get them as an option. The Nola Baby Grands which I have heard are really more money than I wish to spend. My rebuilt Dahlquist DQ-10 speakers that were totally rebuilt about 5 years ago are really quite good.

I had an opportunity to listen to the big Oswald's Mill Audio OMA AC2 speakers ($68,000) speakers at the Oswald's Mill. They sounded remarkable possibly the best sounding speakers that I have heard regardless of price. Jonathan Weiss of Oswald's Mill brought the OMA mini horns for demo to my home and we listened both with my solid state electronics as well as with the Soundsmith 410 Phono Preamp directly to the $11,500 2 1/2 watt OMA tube amp and then to the OMA mini horns. These are $12,000 introductory cost speakers for the OMA Mini horn speakers. All 3 of us- Jonathan and Doug of Oswald's Mill and I were quite pleased with the performance of my Teres Certus 450 turntable, Teres Illius Tonearm and the Soundsmith Strain Gauge Cartride/Soundsmith 410 Phono Preamp in either configuration.

The new Oswald's Mill Audio New Yorkers will have 2 15" woofers per cabinet. I will listen to them before they are brought to my home. Jonathan knows the room and knows the problems that I had with the TimePortal Prototypes; he does not think that we will have issues with the OMA New Yorkers. We will be introducing acoustic room treatments later. The New Yorkers are a new design, no question, but Jonathan is of the opinion that they may well sound better than the more expensive AC2 speakers that I heard. Jonathan would not even sell me the AC2 speakers because they are too large for the space, the New Yorkers should fit fine. Anyway, if I do not like the speakers which we think is highly unlikely I do not have to keep them and I will get all of my money returned.

Hopefully we can get the OMA New Yorkers to mate adequately with the Nola Reference LCR Center Channel speaker. At this point the 2 large (18") Epik Conquest speakers face each other in the rear of the room. I am hoping to find a couple of Nola Reference LCR speakers on Audiogon to use as the sides and to place them atop the Epik Conquest Subwoofers. If I can't find them, I may opt for the Nola Viper 11A speakers on Audiogon, but they are a bit taller than I would want for this application.

The seating is not quite against the windows. I have 2 45" tall lead shot loaded Speaker stands that I will place between the seating and the curtains. Once the rebuilt woofers come back from Dahlquist/Regnar I intend to place the Dahlquist DQ-6CI speakers on the pedestals to use them for the rear speakers of the 7.1 system.

Rich
post #2119 of 2187
against Audioholics.
post #2120 of 2187
Good for Gene. That makes two A/V site admins he's threatened, with or without lawyers.
post #2121 of 2187
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Originally Posted by Chu Gai View Post

against Audioholics.

They are making an error by treating it this way. VVV
"Let me offer you a counter to your letter. Should you decide to threaten me again with legal action, I will make all of our correspondences including the letter you sent me public domain on the homepage of my site that receives over 1 million unique readers per month."

That would play right into DS's intention, the publicity.
post #2122 of 2187
It would be priceless to see ol DS try to get this to court. Imagine the ensuing hilarity as the "modded" units were subjected to exposure and testing to easily prove the lack of any technical knowledge or useful work done.
post #2123 of 2187
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Originally Posted by Gizmologist View Post

It would be priceless to see ol DS try to get this to court. Imagine the ensuing hilarity as the "modded" units were subjected to exposure and testing to easily prove the lack of any technical knowledge or useful work done.

They should wait till that happens and then just post the summary.
post #2124 of 2187
"But your honor, this is really is magical audio enhancing sticky tin foil! I can't help it if the air conditioning guys use it to seal air ducts. Maybe they found out it deadens the fan noise. Hey THAT is kinda like audio, isn't it?"

From the judge: "Order! Order in the court. I cannot hear the witness over the laughter from the gallery."
post #2125 of 2187
If they get the Blue Man Group on the jury, all bets are off.
post #2126 of 2187
Yea that would change things after all, BMG perfected field adjustable, LF, high resonance PVC pipe assemblies.
post #2127 of 2187
I wonder why DS choose to send the "threatening lawyer letter" to Audioholics when the last post their was 12/31/09. Actually this forum has been quite a bit rougher on him than Audioholoics. Anyway again DS is showing his true colors.
post #2128 of 2187
For those of you who have had unsatisfactory dealings with The Upgrade Company (especially if you're out considerable amounts of monies regardless of what country you're in) and have yet to file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, please consider the following. Another place to file a complaint is the Internet Crime Complaint Center at www.ic3.gov which uses among other resources in investigating your claims, the FBI. You may be able to obtain satisfactory resolution of your issues if they have sufficient merit.
post #2129 of 2187
Chu, have we ever ascertained that Mr. S' offerings are, or are not, appropriately compliant with the various federal regs?
post #2130 of 2187
No idea. Whatever it is that he's doing is presumably done to products that do meet Federal regulations however it will likely void the manufacturer's warranty leaving the end user in a bit of a pickle and have to rely upon DS. The thing is, if DS says the unit failed not on account of what he did, what do you do?
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