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What's condescending about it? It's not easy answering such a question without someone being insulted. As evidenced.


Higher then what?
Since you couldn't answer the question, why did you bother to post?

Feel better about yourself?

Since you need it spelled out for you, you could have gone without the last remark to the OP's question about his education.

And to answer your question since you again, need it spelled out for you, higher than that of the current be carried from amp to speaker. Since you are so smart, figured you would've know that.

Also, what would have been the point in a technical answer, as it would have been a waste of bandwidth since it is irrelevant to his concern.

Do you? You haven't really brought anything to the thread, other than to air your displeasure with me, for which I do not care


I made no remark about anyones education...you twisted that around to suit your little agenda.


Well thanks...it takes a lot to admit that you don't know as much as the average person....it's sad that you're so angry about it and feel the need to wase bandwidth on personal attacks, simply because you lack reading comprehension....probably don't have much of a science background either, which seems to anger you greatly

I must admit that your remark regarding what was being taught in high school struck me as sarcastic, at best. I'm a self taught man, btw. (j/k )
Anyways lighten up dudes! Please remember we are merely specks on a speck in an ocean of billions upon billions of specks.

Back to the question though: The reason I put forth that scenario (and should have put in my op) is that I am of the (probably misguided) understanding that current travels along the periphery of the wire, not exactly through it. To be more clear, the amount of area of what is available for the current to propagate over is equal to the measurement of the diameter & length of the wire. So in the case of stranded cable, let's say you have 24 individual twisted copper strands IE a standard speaker cable. The way I understand it is the surface area available for the current to propagate over is equal to the diameter and length of each strand, added together. Not a measurement of the diameter of the resulting bundle of strands.

Looking at it another way the signal coming from the amp doesn't see twisted strands as one big piece of solid copper, nor does it see it as 24 individual solid copper strands, rather it sees it as 24 individual tubes on which the current will travel on the outside of (each tube, summed). Does that make any sense

EDIT: So I found the following which seems to disprove what I mentioned:



Found it on this website.

edit - I am officially retarded.

You may want to spend some time on this page. Very helpful information.

There wasn't much to this thread to begin with, as is evidently clear from the previous pages.

My response to your post was not the first in this thread, so your claim "other than to air your displeasure with me" is unsubstantiated.





Bold faced above. Seems like you took a little jab as to his education. Maybe he skipped chemistry? Also, as it is obvious, it is very hard to read sarcasm or humor without emoticons from text.

What agenda?




Another self serving remark. No anger on my part, as your initial response was again, not geared towards me. Even if it was, I wouldn't care, but I believe in treating others as I would like to be treated. Some may just call that being civil.

Nope, I did not major in anything aspect of science but I do take great interest in it, and have ascertained a wealth of information through my education and just plain 'ol reading. I took a different path and majored in finance and I must say, that it was the career path for myself as it has provided more than I could ask, for myself and my family.

But I appreciate your concern.

Awesome, thanks!

Oh the horror!
It seems like you just like to complain.

I have had a very bad experience with an upgrade company who has upgraded my brand new CD player. All was well until it faulted not once but twice and after months on end waiting for the repair and much money spent buying parts. I finally realised that the company in question not only had no idea how to repair my unit; the new parts were never used. I found this out after I requested for my player to be sent back to the manufacturer who later found out that the fault is due to the upgraded components. I now have to spend even more money to have it fixed properly and after finding out all of this, the upgrade company turned on me being very rude, lie and threatening regarding my new parts that he had kept because I wanted them back for a credit and added you can now fix your own CD player. This whole ordeal has taught me to be very careful to deal with people other than the manufacturer and not to upgrade anything because the original warranty becomes void and the warranty that the upgrade company gives is not worth the paper that is written on. Anyone who is thinking of upgrading anything must ask yourself the questions…. Are they qualified engineers in your brand of goods and can they repair it if it faults.

I find the company in questions is just a back street cow boy one who just wants to grab your money and BS so much then becomes very nasty if there are problems and blaming you for the cause (Criminal)

I feel very strongly in naming and shaming them so that honest people with their hard earnt cash will not fall into their BS stories and promises.

STICK WITH STOCK UNITS.

Archived. You are referring to Dave Schulte's The Upgrade Company, yes?

Wait, so first you deny you said any such thing, now I'm just complaining?

Like I said, the only reason for my post is that many come here to learn, regardless if some of the questions are considered common knowledge by some. They should not be discouraged in fear of belittlement.

Thank you for your post classba. This would explain why everything they do is such a secret and why they forbid you to showcase their work or "look under the hood" if you will.

I had a player done by him and as long as i live i will never recomend his $300(including labour)work for $999usd but be prepared to be sued and harrassed.All posts end the same with this company....And he will have lots to say about me of course

A big YES...... it has gotten worst now.. he refused to ship my paid for un used new parts ( $1000) which he supposed to had installed for the repair ( not needed according to Emm's) back to the manufacturer so that they can credit me against the repair cost of $2500 ( I smell a rat ). I have to sign off his so called release form then pay him for the shipping cost back to me instead... I mean WHY??? only one logical explaination for this..... he is scared of being sued with proof of the cheat he has done. He now can keep my parts and shove them where the sun don't shine as I want nothing to do with him ever yet he also still refusing to delete my testimony from his web site of which BTW, he had edited to his advantage.
Oh I forgotten the funny side to this. He stated on a last E-mail that just because I opened the player top lid to have a look, his warranty is void hence it is my doing for the fault ( static discharge according to him ) and now I have to pay for everything including the shipping cost. What a joke and a joker.

His work is top secret for no body to see...lol ???????? if you saw what was done inside my player after he worked on it, you would scream as it looked like a 3 year old had done it.

The guy is a crook and shouldn't be in business at all IMO.

So, that little putz is threatening to sue? Jeez, Louise. Well, you can try and get your credit card company involved if not too much time has passed and see if you can get a charge back. Otherwise, consider complaining to the Michigan Attorney General.

http://www.michigan.gov/ag/

Tell what happened, provide emails back and forth, and see if you can get his business shut down. Sheesh, he's the president? He's probably also the janitor.

If past is prologue, he'll be here shortly, threatening suit for libel.

Thanks Chu Gai for the advice. I will look into it once I get the full official report back from Emm's. The fool thinks he is a smart arse by telling you afterwards that he had recorded the conversations but what he doesn't know is that the 3rd party have to be made awared of his intensions at the start of the conversation for it to be used in the court of law.

How can I legally force him to remove my testimony from his web site?????

Thanks all.

I would be looking to have any charges from the Upgrade company reversed today, don't wait any longer.

Here are the facts:

MCLSOUND: After expressing his total delight and complete satsifaction with his first upgrade, bragged that he "got a super deal on 3 players in new unopened condition for $600" when pressed how he got such a deal, MCLSOUND admits that they were "hot", as in stolen. He went on to state that "the players were a new Denon DVD-2930Ci, new Denon DVD-3930Ci and the Marantz DV-9600" that he had just sent in for upgrades and was "sweating it on return because it took longer through customs then he had expected" and that he "would like to drive up and meet halfway to hand deliver the 3930 upgrades". Immediately upon learning of this, I was quite surprised to say the least. I refused to do any further busines with MCLSOUND. This is all on audio tape loud and clear. Then MCLSOUND called back with threats and tried to stir up all kinds of crap on other websites.

Interesting that we have yet another crook turn up here: "classba" who we have learned deals in black market stolen merchandise in the UK, including cell phones (his Audiogon ID is "FLASHUNLOCK" no less!), hot EMM LABS, dCs and other gear ogftensold in Hong Kong and Singapore. "CLASSBA" sent us what turned out to be a black market/stolen EMM LAbs CDSA-SE player. All was well for many months until CLASSBA decided to remove the top cover to "have a look around at the magic" in his words. Per his own admission on tape, CLASSBA decided to dissassemble some of the CDSA and look at the player in greater detail, and ended up pulling wires loose from inside of a connector, which he attempeted to resolder it himself, admitting right on tape over the phone that he "cannot solder too well", it wont work now, will you have a look?" "If you send it to EMM LABS PLEASE remove the serial number off the back". "It is not an uauthoried EMM's unit. I get them from a "special source". Well we have the serial number from your player which ou asked us to remove, right here "classba". And "No" we are not going to repair the player when you have voided your warranty, published out and out lies to the internet, and have turned out to be a complete crook with a hot black market player. Secondly, the inside was a filthy mess of dust and pet hair when your EMM arrived. Third, you cannot work on electronics without following proper grounding procedures including wearing a grounding strap aroud your wrist to prevent static discharge into the player when touching it in any manner whatsoever inside. You admitted on tape that you had the top cover off to show friends and that your pet sheds a lot, and that you were totally unaware that static discharge can cause serious damage, especially when you said loud and clear "It might have some black pet hair in it because I had it sitting on the floor trying to fix it".

I think a call to Scotland Yard is in order you crook.
The Upgrade Company LLC has a SPOTLESS Michigan Atty General and BBB record, with hundreds of new satisfied customers every year. I urge both you and MCLSOUND to file a formal report as it will only aid in the investigation and hopefull full-prosecution by authorities against criminals like yourselves. Neither one of you were even able to get a charge back. Our record is spotless, and I'll bet authorities are onto you now. You try lying in a police or any official report and I will personally so to it that you both are additionally prosecuted for filling out a false police report. Hopefully with some jail time to straighten you crooks out.

ClassBA's Audiogon ID "Flashunlock" says it all: bragging that you know how to unlock the flash memory of stolen and black market cell phones for resale.

Michigan Law indeed states that any person directly participating in any conversation may lawfully tape record that conversation. 1 on 1 is legaly admissable into a Michigan Court of Law. My father was a prominent Michigan attorney and we have coporate counsel who have just informed me that this still the law in Michigan.

Good for Upgrade Company LLC, bad for crooks like MCLSOUND, CLASSBA and others....

Man that's one wild tale. Almost as wild as the claims on your website.

This thread is an audio nerd's soap opera....

I got this off of Audiogon. "Flashunlock" I guess you did not mean this or write it either huh? Gosh I don't know who to believe now. What will you do without them now that you will have to go back to listening to a stock unit? Like I have said to many people the upgrade company players rock regardless of what is under the hood. Why even go there with that player anyways? What were you trying to accomplish? You know you had a killer sounding player. I think in this case curiosity killed the cat. Don't go telling this guy power cords don't make a difference either. He has an extremely resolving system and with any cable swap this guy would hear the difference. Most of you guys can only dream of having what this guy has had or listened to. I have had the stock EMM in my system and it is very good and musical. It is on the clinical, transparent and accurate side. I can only imagine what it would sound like with upgrades like below. An Upgraded Oppo 83 would cream these players as well hands down. The stock EMM CDSA SE would not stand a chance.

"01-27-09: Flashunlock
I owned the Wadia 581-SE and auditioned the 781i and the Puccini. I currently also own the DCS classic Verdi Encore & Elgar plus which sound much better to the Puccini IMO. Funny thing is, I found the 781i to be a bit softer sounding than the 581-SE. It lost the scale and resolution to the 581-Se.

The Emm Labs CDSA-SE ( latest version ) even in stock form IMO out class all of the players mentioned but my unit has been upgraded and is now the best sounding player I have heard to date regardless of price.

Hope this helps.
Flashunlock (Threads | Answers)

I had to add this from the upgrade company website to the post above. It echoes from Audiogon.

"I won't settle for a stock unit anymore regardless of the price tag or great reviews. They all seem to be built “For Profit” as David likes to say.



Thanks again David.



Kindest regards,
David Lau (UK)
Audiogon ID "Flashunlock"

All bow down to RUR. He's psychic!

I don't know about having it used in a court of law, but being able to legally and clandestinely record a conversation depends upon state laws. It can get a bit murky when one of the parties is in a consent require state while the other isn't.


I have no idea what your testimony is. Please provide a link. I would ask politely that he remove it and see what happens.

OMG...... me dealing with stolen goods and selling them on.... thats the laugh of the century which means all of my bought goods from Audiogon are all stolen too from thieves.
I buy all my good legally with invoices and if that is the case, then why the hell you mrhiend e mailed me asking me to get you a price for the DCS Scalatti from the UK to sell on in the USA to make profit which I totally ignored you because of the drama of my player just last week knowing I deal in stolen goods?????????

You mr not hiend, WHY YOU REFUSED TO SHIP MY PARTS TO EMMS FOR THE REPAIR/CREDIT EVEN IF I PAY FOR THE SHIPPING AND WHY DID YOU LIE THAT THE NEW BOARD IN YOUR PROCESSION NOW SUPPOSED TO HAD BEEN INSTALLED IN MY PLAYER UNTIL EMMS PROVED YOU HAD BULL SHITTED AND TOOK A PHOTO OF THE MODDED BOARD IN MY PLAYER, IT WAS ONLY THEN I KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON??????????????????? ANSWER PLS. ( this is the real issue and not all the BS you make out to be) A professional company as you are, it only looks bad on your part to BS and personal attack someone with wild claims you cannot support. I have already been told by Emms the fault lies with the modifications done and not static discharge, pet hairs or what ever you might say. The mods done to the power supply proved to be dangerous................

The hi end industry is a world wide open market.... one can buy from anywhere and anyone if the price is right just like on Audiogon...correct?

I rest my case and anyway, if I'm in such crimianl activities, would I be stupid enough to tell anyone????

well, you believe who you like. like I said, it was fine until it all went wrong and he turned nasty. Besides, he pestered me to write on audiogon on a daily basis and even e mailed me links where I need to input. I guess he really needs the business afterall.

Exactly, he e mailed me and called me to urge me to write the testimony for him which then was edited with some of his magical words... built for profit....

No prescience required, believe me. Equally predictable that anyone with a negative opinion is either a liar or a crook.

Curiously, mrhiendaudio no longer has an A-gon acount.

Also curious that rno63 has suddenly reappeared.

Think I'll continue to archive this thread, just in case it disappears like the others.