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post #61 of 867
11/28/09 at 8:44am
Also, there is a guy on the Integra 80.1 thread saying that with the 7.1 setup Audyssey will not run properly (it expects to see a 9.2 setup). Is that the case with the 5507, too?
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post #62 of 867
11/28/09 at 9:36am
The 80.1 will run fun with a 7.1 setup. The initial sweep will test for all speakers and the next one will eliminate the ones it didn't detect.
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post #63 of 867
11/28/09 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Hi and welcome.

Pretty much I have heard most Onkyos dating back to the TX NR1000. The past couple years I have had the 605, 805, 875, 905, 606, 806, 906 then everyone of the latest gen (RC160/607 thru the 5007). Pre-pros I have had the 885, 886 and now the 5507. I am sure I probably missed a few in there to. I have also had a few Denons and Pioneers in there to.

I will say without using Height or Wide speakers the 5507 is not a significant upgrade over the 886. There are other factors that make it worth it though like firmware updating over the ethernet connection. And these days the easier the better! But overall sound q wise not a large difference. So if you have absolutely no plans (or your room won't allow) to ever go Height then I can see grabbing the 886 and being happy. I will say besides the audio drop outs (which wil be fixed soon) this is the most polished pre-pro they have released to date. From the remote to the GUI everything works with ease.

Lastly, don't discard Height like a few negative posters here who have either never even heard it or have not heard it demonstrated properly. It truly is the best upgrade (sound wise) my theater has had for both Sports and Movies. On Thanksgiving my Wife's family was amazed at how "cool" the difference was with the crowds during the football games. And all of them never heard them before. The movies they watched also had a "cool" effect a few times per movie. Of course that is usually with rain/thunder, snow blowing (like during a blizzard), airplanes/helicopters, and bullets to name a few...

Hi Joe, thanks for the answers and the welcome!

I'm running my 875 as a pro. I remember asking some 885/886 owners on here whether they gave an upgrade in terms of sound quality over the 875(being used as pro). They seemed all to think not.
You feel that the 5507 doesn't really improve sq over the 885/6 and therefore the implication is that there is no difference in sq between the 875 and the 5507. That's a real shame, because for those of us for whom sq comes before everything else there is no coherent arguement for upgrading from our older machines to Onkyo's brand new flagship.

Ps, I'm not discounting height/wide modes, but I want improved improved sq on 5.1 first.

Thanks again.
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post #64 of 867
11/28/09 at 10:25am
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

The 80.1 will run fun with a 7.1 setup. The initial sweep will test for all speakers and the next one will eliminate the ones it didn't detect.

Exactly.
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post #65 of 867
11/28/09 at 10:30am
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Originally Posted by indus1 View Post

Hi Joe, thanks for the answers and the welcome!

I'm running my 875 as a pro. I remember asking some 885/886 owners on here whether they gave an upgrade in terms of sound quality over the 875(being used as pro). They seemed all to think not.
You feel that the 5507 doesn't really improve sq over the 885/6 and therefore the implication is that there is no difference in sq between the 875 and the 5507. That's a real shame, because for those of us for whom sq comes before everything else there is no coherent arguement for upgrading from our older machines to Onkyo's brand new flagship.

Ps, I'm not discounting height/wide modes, but I want improved improved sq on 5.1 first.

Thanks again.

Improvement, yes. Night and day difference, no. It is hard to measure the differences plus it is hard to listen with a "regular" set up these days. I try but when I bring the Heights in it is that much better. I just had a few friends over and I played for them Brett Favre entering the game for the first time at Green Bay. The amount of Boos and yelling was scary. With a regular set up it still sounds good but throw the Heights/DSX in and it is "next level" for sure. I have never heard such an angry crowd so vividly. If I had anyone over they would be 100% convinced after hearing that particular moment. Movies most likely to.
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post #66 of 867
11/28/09 at 10:37am
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I have received a few PMs asking about the clicking. I should add it to the Review I guess but I will just say that in comparing it to the receivers the 5507 seems less intrusive. They are still there but not as pronounced as the Receivers. Hope this helps.
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post #67 of 867
11/28/09 at 10:58am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Follow the link in my sig.

Tell them I sent you.

Thanks Joe. I just sent them an email.
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post #68 of 867
11/28/09 at 11:21am
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Thanks Joe. I just sent them an email.

No problem. We could use more around the 5507 campfire.
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post #69 of 867
11/28/09 at 2:50pm
Ok Joe here's the million dollar question. Can you hear a difference in sound quality between the PR-sc5507/ TX-NR1007 connected to your B&K amp? Which do you prefer? Would the preamp output voltage be identical on both?
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post #70 of 867
11/28/09 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Improvement, yes. Night and day difference, no. It is hard to measure the differences plus it is hard to listen with a "regular" set up these days. I try but when I bring the Heights in it is that much better. I just had a few friends over and I played for them Brett Favre entering the game for the first time at Green Bay. The amount of Boos and yelling was scary. With a regular set up it still sounds good but throw the Heights/DSX in and it is "next level" for sure. I have never heard such an angry crowd so vividly. If I had anyone over they would be 100% convinced after hearing that particular moment. Movies most likely to.

Joe, I'm from the UK and here the 5507 has a rrp equiv of $3300, the best deal I've heard of so far is $2900. I bought my 875 for approx $1000 on a special promotion 18 months ago. We all know that benefits aren't a linear relationship to money spent in av, law of diminishing returns and all that; but does the 5507 go anywhere close to justifying its 300% premium over the 875 in terms of sq?

Thanks again
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post #71 of 867
11/28/09 at 4:12pm
Joe.. can you give us a picture of what the Status display on screen looks like.. it shows codec, surround modes, channels, etc, correct?

Just wondering if it also shows the dialog norm offset for Dolby and DTS codecs... it's a very important piece of data to have..
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post #72 of 867
11/28/09 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Joe.. can you give us a picture of what the Status display on screen looks like.. it shows codec, surround modes, channels, etc, correct?

Just wondering if it also shows the dialog norm offset for Dolby and DTS codecs... it's a very important piece of data to have..

Not Joe but it will probably look something like this:
Code:
[Audio] DVD/BD
Input : HDMI 1
      Dolby D     48Khz
                  5.1ch
Output: THX Ultra2 Cinema
                  7.1ch
 
[Video] DVD/BD 
Input : HDMI 1
      720x480i   60hz     YCbCr 24bit
Output: HDMI Main
      1920x1080p 24hz     YCbCr 24bit
ISF   : Custom
but dialog norm offset is only flashed initially on the front panel display.
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post #73 of 867
11/28/09 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Not Joe but it will probably look something like this:
Code:
[Audio] DVD/BD
Input : HDMI 1
     Dolby D     48Khz
                 5.1ch
Output: THX Ultra2 Cinema
                 7.1ch
 
[Video] DVD/BD 
Input : HDMI 1
     720x480i   60hz     YCbCr 24bit
Output: HDMI Main
     1920x1080p 24hz     YCbCr 24bit
ISF   : Custom
but dialog norm offset is only flashed initially on the front panel display.

Perfect.
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post #74 of 867
11/28/09 at 4:43pm
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Originally Posted by indus1 View Post

Joe, I'm from the UK and here the 5507 has a rrp equiv of $3300, the best deal I've heard of so far is $2900. I bought my 875 for approx $1000 on a special promotion 18 months ago. We all know that benefits aren't a linear relationship to money spent in av, law of diminishing returns and all that; but does the 5507 go anywhere close to justifying its 300% premium over the 875 in terms of sq?

Thanks again

If you are not going to do Height sound then the answer is no. If you were going to then the answer would be yes.
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post #75 of 867
11/28/09 at 4:46pm
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Originally Posted by kemiza View Post

Ok Joe here's the million dollar question. Can you hear a difference in sound quality between the PR-sc5507/ TX-NR1007 connected to your B&K amp? Which do you prefer? Would the preamp output voltage be identical on both?

I am using XLR Balanced cables so I do hear a difference. Just kidding, but seriously, the Audyssey calibration could have come out better but for some reason there is improvement. Not night and day but it is there. My fans are definitely happy not having to work so hard.
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post #76 of 867
11/28/09 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by rickardl View Post

Not Joe but it will probably look something like this:
Code:
[Audio] DVD/BD
Input : HDMI 1
      Dolby D     48Khz
                  5.1ch
Output: THX Ultra2 Cinema
                  7.1ch
 
[Video] DVD/BD 
Input : HDMI 1
      720x480i   60hz     YCbCr 24bit
Output: HDMI Main
      1920x1080p 24hz     YCbCr 24bit
ISF   : Custom
but dialog norm offset is only flashed initially on the front panel display.

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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Perfect.

Joe.. since you have their ear, it would be a great feature (dialog norm on the OSD) to add in for two reasons.

1. Since it isn't compensated for by the processor, the end user needs to know what it is so they can raise or lower the volume accordingly... IMO, it's the most important piece of data in the stream.

2. It can change over the course of a disc or broadcast... it cannot change within a program/title, but commercials, trailers, etc can be different on the same station and even DVD's and BR's.... I watched a show with my girls today on DVD, and each trailer was different from the feature... 4 offsets from the start of the disc.

and to be a real pain, tell them that all the new Denon's and Yamaha's show it on their OSD.
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post #77 of 867
11/28/09 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Joe.. since you have their ear, it would be a great feature (dialog norm on the OSD) to add in for two reasons.

1. Since it isn't compensated for by the processor, the end user needs to know what it is so they can raise or lower the volume accordingly... IMO, it's the most important piece of data in the stream.

2. It can change over the course of a disc or broadcast... it cannot change within a program/title, but commercials, trailers, etc can be different on the same station and even DVD's and BR's.... I watched a show with my girls today on DVD, and each trailer was different from the feature... 4 offsets from the start of the disc.

and to be a real pain, tell them that all the new Denon's and Yamaha's show it on their OSD.

I definitely will. Maybe we can get it added in a firmware...
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post #78 of 867
11/28/09 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

I have received a few PMs asking about the clicking. I should add it to the Review I guess but I will just say that in comparing it to the receivers the 5507 seems less intrusive. They are still there but not as pronounced as the Receivers. Hope this helps.

Joe,

I currently have the 886 which I know you had as well for awhile. I do not hearing any relay clicking at all with my 886. Did you notice the clicking with your 886 that is present in the 5507? I am curious to know if the relay clicking being reported on the new Onkyos is something that is present only in the XX07 series.

Bill
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post #79 of 867
11/28/09 at 8:12pm
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The relay clicking is very subtle in the 5507. It is not loud like the Receivers. With the 886 I don't remember any loud clicking either (of course its been a little while since I had one) so I can't say 100% for sure.
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post #80 of 867
11/28/09 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

The relay clicking is very subtle in the 5507. It is not loud like the Receivers. With the 886 I don't remember any loud clicking either (of course its been a little while since I had one) so I can't say 100% for sure.

Joe,

Thanks. I do not hear it with my 886 or the 885 and 805 I had. If the 5507 has relay clicking when changing cable/SAT channels (digital to analog) it would trouble me. But if it is not that loud it might not be that bad.

Bill
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post #81 of 867
11/29/09 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

If you are not going to do Height sound then the answer is no. If you were going to then the answer would be yes.

Thanks Joe, that's a real shame, no upgrade for me then.
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post #82 of 867
11/29/09 at 4:02am
Great review, thanks Joe. Quick question on "height" speakers. Would it be ok to use bipolor speakers for heights ? I have a pair of PSB Image 10S speakers already mounted right where my setup will be. My inclination is it would be alright. Thanks. I've emailed G&G as well.
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post #83 of 867
11/29/09 at 6:50am
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

Joe,

Thanks. I do not hear it with my 886 or the 885 and 805 I had. If the 5507 has relay clicking when changing cable/SAT channels (digital to analog) it would trouble me. But if it is not that loud it might not be that bad.

Bill

It could be a little distracting with the Receivers but to be honest I never let it bother me.
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post #84 of 867
11/29/09 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by indus1 View Post

Thanks Joe, that's a real shame, no upgrade for me then.

Sorry, I am just telling it like it is. Now if the price difference was a lot smaller then I would say definitely get the 5507. Times are tough everywhere and every dollar counts these days. And I am just being honest.
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post #85 of 867
11/29/09 at 6:53am
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Originally Posted by Chip E View Post

Great review, thanks Joe. Quick question on "height" speakers. Would it be ok to use bipolor speakers for heights ? I have a pair of PSB Image 10S speakers already mounted right where my setup will be. My inclination is it would be alright. Thanks. I've emailed G&G as well.

Sure can. I know two people (personally) who are using them for their Heights. No worries.
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post #86 of 867
11/29/09 at 7:55am
Great review Joerod. I would like to know if the Reon VX on the 5507 is the same chip used in the 3007. Also, you mentioned that the edge enhancement work, does it mean the block, mosquito and random noise reduction are ineffective for high definition sources ?
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post #87 of 867
11/29/09 at 8:33am
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Originally Posted by smooth aviator View Post

Great review Joerod. I would like to know if the Reon VX on the 5507 is the same chip used in the 3007. Also, you mentioned that the edge enhancement work, does it mean the block, mosquito and random noise reduction are ineffective for high definition sources ?

Yes, same chip. What I meant in my comment is that the Edge Enhancement does not detroy the picture by adding ringing at the middel or low levels. It actually will sharpen the image without hurting it. The other adjustments work as well but for some reason the Edge Enhancements are always the toughest to pull off with video processing. I will say I only use Mosquito on Low with HD and the others on Low with SD material. And of course ALL are at zero for Blu ray sources...
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post #88 of 867
11/29/09 at 11:40am
joerod,

You mentioned in the BDP-83 thread you plan on trying out the SE version.

When do you expect to have an SE version to play with?

Why are you opting for the upgrade?
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post #89 of 867
11/29/09 at 11:46am
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Originally Posted by joerod View Post

Yes, same chip. What I meant in my comment is that the Edge Enhancement does not detroy the picture by adding ringing at the middel or low levels. It actually will sharpen the image without hurting it. The other adjustments work as well but for some reason the Edge Enhancements are always the toughest to pull off with video processing. I will say I only use Mosquito on Low with HD and the others on Low with SD material. And of course ALL are at zero for Blu ray sources...


All inputs are assignable , but what do you do if you use one player for both SD, and HD?
I just thought of this when reading your post..

Thanks

Djoel
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post #90 of 867
11/29/09 at 11:46am
Thanks for the review. How would the 5507 with an Emotiva XPA-5 (200w into 8 ohms) compare to a 5007? Wish I could afford more amp like the B&K but budget won't allow.
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