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Léon: The Professional comparison *PIX*

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11/28/09 at 4:52am
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11/28/09 at 4:53am
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The extra contrast and brightness levels especially on some outdoor scenes can be distracting to viewers including some loss of PQ detail. This could have been a better transfer if levels are dialed down a bit.

Aside from that the Blu-ray version is better looking overall. No excessive DNR or EE observed. I just hope in future that we get the "non-boosted" version.
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DVD Uncut International Version


Mpeg-2 File size: 14.00 GB

Bitrate: 17.56 mbps

Code:
Sequence Summary:

File Size Processed: 14.09 GB, Play Time: 01h:49m:26s
1920 x 1080, 29.97 fps, 65.00 Mbps (17.56 Mbps Average).
Average Video Quality: 71.51 KB/Frame, 0.28 Bits/Pixel.
AC3 Audio: 3/2 Channels (L, C, R, SL, SR) + LFE, 48.0 kHz, 384 kbps.
Dialog Normalization: -29.0 dB, Center Mix Level: -3.0 dB, Surround Mix Level: -3.0 dB
1 of 196795 video frames found with errors.
0 of 205199 audio frames found with errors.
513 corrupted video bytes in file.
0.000000 seconds of video timestamp gaps.
0.000000 seconds of audio timestamp gaps.

End of Log

Blu-ray File size: 38.00 GB

Bitrate: 25.55 mbps

Code:
                                                                                                                Total   Video                                             
Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00002.MPLS                                                      AVC     2:12:52 39,050,803,200  48,350,982,258  39.18   25.55   DTS-HD Master 5.1 5829Kbps (96kHz/24-bit)
Code:
DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     THE_PROFESSIONAL
Disc Size:      48,350,982,258 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.3

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00002.MPLS
Length:                 2:12:52 (h:m:s)
Size:                   39,050,803,200 bytes
Total Bitrate:          39.18 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        25550 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         5829 kbps       5.1 / 96 kHz / 5829 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             French          2642 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2642 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             Portuguese      2631 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 2631 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
Presentation Graphics           English         23.471 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         20.994 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         English         15.253 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           French          21.396 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      19.138 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         21.088 kbps                     

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
05001.M2TS      0:00:00.000     0:01:54.572     535,412,736     37,385          
05002.M2TS      0:01:54.572     0:43:49.960     13,014,190,080  39,587          
05004.M2TS      0:45:44.533     0:01:00.143     296,030,208     39,377          
05005.M2TS      0:46:44.676     0:21:55.314     6,523,865,088   39,679          
05007.M2TS      1:08:39.990     0:20:02.701     5,915,473,920   39,348          
05008.M2TS      1:28:42.692     0:03:12.192     935,817,216     38,953          
05010.M2TS      1:31:54.884     0:00:48.256     235,149,312     38,983          
05011.M2TS      1:32:43.140     0:05:21.904     1,571,512,320   39,055          
05013.M2TS      1:38:05.045     0:05:41.466     1,664,913,408   39,006          
05014.M2TS      1:43:46.511     0:23:19.231     6,944,858,112   39,707          
05016.M2TS      2:07:05.743     0:05:47.221     1,413,580,800   32,569          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     0:10:02.601     25,215 kbps     50,899 kbps     00:01:50.527    33,373 kbps     00:00:39.497    30,736 kbps     00:01:36.137    131,453 bytes   478,714 bytes   00:01:46.022    
2               0:10:02.601     0:06:58.918     24,895 kbps     37,548 kbps     00:16:41.667    28,193 kbps     00:10:11.694    27,690 kbps     00:10:06.689    129,793 bytes   504,498 bytes   00:10:29.128    
3               0:17:01.520     0:07:18.771     26,263 kbps     35,184 kbps     00:18:02.956    29,123 kbps     00:18:59.263    28,334 kbps     00:18:54.299    136,925 bytes   477,905 bytes   00:20:37.653    
4               0:24:20.292     0:05:55.897     27,006 kbps     35,485 kbps     00:28:01.679    30,651 kbps     00:25:08.465    29,313 kbps     00:25:03.585    140,796 bytes   478,106 bytes   00:25:12.052    
5               0:30:16.189     0:03:39.928     26,599 kbps     34,505 kbps     00:33:29.173    30,191 kbps     00:33:35.304    29,726 kbps     00:33:35.012    138,673 bytes   522,933 bytes   00:33:46.691    
6               0:33:56.117     0:08:46.067     25,976 kbps     33,141 kbps     00:42:29.338    28,417 kbps     00:40:13.619    27,552 kbps     00:40:08.906    135,426 bytes   406,619 bytes   00:40:57.538    
7               0:42:42.184     0:05:26.534     25,976 kbps     32,974 kbps     00:45:45.659    29,440 kbps     00:47:51.994    28,734 kbps     00:47:50.325    135,427 bytes   502,031 bytes   00:43:36.530    
8               0:48:08.719     0:07:21.232     26,047 kbps     36,970 kbps     00:52:31.064    31,438 kbps     00:51:54.945    30,074 kbps     00:49:34.846    135,796 bytes   572,596 bytes   00:51:01.558    
9               0:55:29.951     0:08:23.336     25,708 kbps     36,694 kbps     01:02:34.000    31,738 kbps     01:02:34.000    30,699 kbps     00:55:29.951    134,029 bytes   530,469 bytes   01:01:01.741    
10              1:03:53.287     0:04:46.703     25,847 kbps     38,132 kbps     01:07:45.728    30,972 kbps     01:06:40.079    29,850 kbps     01:06:40.079    134,756 bytes   500,565 bytes   01:06:40.204    
11              1:08:39.990     0:19:49.813     25,899 kbps     37,940 kbps     01:15:22.309    30,012 kbps     01:18:29.579    28,944 kbps     01:18:24.699    135,026 bytes   510,204 bytes   01:26:28.641    
12              1:28:29.804     0:08:26.547     25,640 kbps     35,228 kbps     01:34:51.435    28,579 kbps     01:29:43.586    27,902 kbps     01:35:48.576    133,674 bytes   407,749 bytes   01:36:56.352    
13              1:36:56.352     0:10:45.644     25,351 kbps     39,348 kbps     01:37:42.564    30,410 kbps     01:37:00.105    29,627 kbps     01:37:40.729    132,169 bytes   548,047 bytes   01:46:10.989    
14              1:47:41.997     0:05:32.290     26,025 kbps     37,186 kbps     01:49:00.951    31,011 kbps     01:48:56.821    30,564 kbps     01:48:59.240    135,682 bytes   472,518 bytes   01:48:56.905    
15              1:53:14.287     0:07:52.263     26,047 kbps     39,491 kbps     01:53:41.522    31,021 kbps     01:59:29.787    30,173 kbps     01:59:25.366    135,797 bytes   535,866 bytes   02:01:04.048    
16              2:01:06.550     0:11:46.414     22,633 kbps     34,544 kbps     02:02:10.114    31,926 kbps     02:04:32.089    29,899 kbps     02:02:07.945    118,005 bytes   569,057 bytes   02:07:30.726    

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----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
05001.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     114.489                 24,413                  349,382,520     1,900,438       
05001.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           114.489                 5,120                   73,277,244      416,006         
05001.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            114.489                 2,757                   39,460,936      232,140         
05001.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        114.489                 2,771                   39,659,932      232,596         
05001.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           114.489                 0                       70              7               
05001.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           114.489                 0                       70              7               
05001.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            114.489                 2                       23,081          139             
05001.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           114.489                 5                       65,680          377             
05001.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        114.489                 2                       30,173          178             
05001.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           114.489                 35                      507,365         2,849           
05002.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     2629.877                25,922                  8,521,596,041   46,350,227      
05002.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           2629.877                5,986                   1,967,651,820   11,103,343      
05002.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            2629.877                2,581                   848,436,540     5,032,741       
05002.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        2629.877                2,540                   835,005,160     4,966,565       
05002.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           2629.877                24                      7,854,187       45,090          
05002.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           2629.877                21                      6,940,621       40,679          
05002.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            2629.877                21                      6,936,589       40,034          
05002.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           2629.877                21                      6,906,679       40,065          
05002.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        2629.877                18                      6,056,112       35,045          
05002.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           2629.877                22                      7,168,031       40,351          
05004.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     60.060                  25,823                  193,868,718     1,054,472       
05004.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           60.060                  5,102                   38,305,292      217,772         
05004.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            60.060                  2,946                   22,113,588      129,751         
05004.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        60.060                  2,954                   22,176,236      130,513         
05004.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           60.060                  34                      255,394         1,477           
05004.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           60.060                  27                      205,811         1,238           
05004.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            60.060                  34                      255,423         1,479           
05004.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           60.060                  31                      233,341         1,365           
05004.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        60.060                  28                      210,567         1,234           
05004.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           60.060                  11                      85,710          480             
05005.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     1315.189                25,910                  4,259,592,516   23,168,491      
05005.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1315.189                5,954                   978,753,624     5,525,227       
05005.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            1315.189                2,632                   432,651,744     2,559,906       
05005.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        1315.189                2,616                   430,119,940     2,547,013       
05005.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1315.189                28                      4,641,553       26,650          
05005.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1315.189                25                      4,084,078       23,989          
05005.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1315.189                25                      4,131,060       23,769          
05005.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1315.189                25                      4,087,181       23,680          
05005.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        1315.189                22                      3,591,027       20,848          
05005.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1315.189                16                      2,638,054       14,805          
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05007.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1202.576                5,504                   827,375,740     4,684,405       
05007.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            1202.576                2,687                   403,947,084     2,386,294       
05007.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        1202.576                2,724                   409,494,332     2,411,476       
05007.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1202.576                26                      3,956,242       22,785          
05007.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1202.576                22                      3,285,695       19,282          
05007.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1202.576                26                      3,843,306       22,151          
05007.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1202.576                25                      3,764,700       21,760          
05007.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        1202.576                25                      3,749,356       21,669          
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05008.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           192.067                 5,837                   140,137,856     791,851         
05008.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            192.067                 2,454                   58,912,948      350,565         
05008.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        192.067                 2,496                   59,926,208      356,980         
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05008.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        192.067                 8                       184,971         1,096           
05008.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           192.067                 10                      231,614         1,301           
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05010.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           48.173                  5,674                   34,167,448      193,270         
05010.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            48.173                  2,523                   15,189,748      90,631          
05010.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        48.173                  2,558                   15,404,736      91,746          
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05010.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        48.173                  15                      92,199          535             
05010.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           48.173                  15                      88,866          497             
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05011.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           321.780                 5,808                   233,607,696     1,319,590       
05011.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            321.780                 2,444                   98,310,764      587,689         
05011.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        321.780                 2,530                   101,781,868     605,943         
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05011.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           321.780                 27                      1,073,858       6,253           
05011.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            321.780                 29                      1,162,483       6,702           
05011.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           321.780                 29                      1,155,335       6,738           
05011.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        321.780                 26                      1,034,658       6,022           
05011.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           321.780                 9                       359,630         2,023           
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05013.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           341.383                 4,968                   211,977,936     1,204,783       
05013.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            341.383                 2,854                   121,806,060     718,269         
05013.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        341.383                 2,900                   123,765,208     725,510         
05013.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           341.383                 24                      1,015,041       5,897           
05013.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           341.383                 20                      851,584         5,041           
05013.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            341.383                 25                      1,061,514       6,154           
05013.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           341.383                 22                      946,399         5,510           
05013.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        341.383                 23                      970,452         5,649           
05013.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           341.383                 7                       288,005         1,622           
05014.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     1399.148                25,885                  4,527,064,708   24,623,410      
05014.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           1399.148                6,028                   1,054,219,844   5,946,684       
05014.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       fra (French)            1399.148                2,600                   454,769,188     2,691,304       
05014.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       por (Portuguese)        1399.148                2,656                   464,547,552     2,748,636       
05014.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1399.148                23                      4,048,174       23,144          
05014.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           1399.148                19                      3,403,187       19,780          
05014.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             fra (French)            1399.148                20                      3,537,143       20,329          
05014.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           1399.148                20                      3,473,373       20,086          
05014.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        1399.148                18                      3,107,318       17,961          
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05016.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     347.138                 18,719                  812,273,231     4,419,371       
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post #9 of 108
11/28/09 at 6:21am
The MPEG2 version has so much filtering and DNR it is pretty much stripped of all detail. Ouch!

Unfortunately, the BD's transfer really is screwed up. Yes, it is much more detailed, but lots of detail is lost in blacks and because of blooming. A crying shame, really.
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post #10 of 108
11/28/09 at 8:52am
Gah. Check out the shot of the street corner in post #3. Half of the shop signs have been obliterated.

I dunno if you've seen this one Xylon, but there's a shot of Stansfield arriving outside the DEA building (just before Mathilda goes in to 'clean' him) where the skyscrapers in the distance have been erased from about halfway up by the excessive brightness.

Besson approved the master, and all I can say to that is he needs his ****ing eyes tested. Him and Friedkin make a fine pair.
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post #11 of 108
11/28/09 at 9:08am
Blu-ray definitely does look better than DVD. And there is definitely detail lost in the Blu-ray due to contrast boosting.

My guess is Besson wanted to "update" the film to make it look more like some of the contrast-heavy films we've seen recently.

Overall though its a big upgrade from the DVD despite the flaws.


BTW, the LFE is also mixed about 10db hotter than typical reference LFE and previous DVDs. It can be very distracting especially in the 40hz and below range.
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post #12 of 108
11/28/09 at 9:08am
The caps look average. I standby my comments that the Blu-ray caps look like a state-of-the-art modern upscaled DVD with contrast boosting. The look of this reminds me of Run Lola Run, in fact worse than that.

Still bought it, simply due to the movie value.
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post #13 of 108
11/28/09 at 10:54am
Subpar transfer IMO.. I had the import and it was less than impressive. I was disgusted when I saw the US version looked the exact same.
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post #14 of 108
11/28/09 at 11:18am
Take some pics of any scenes with windows (3:07 for example), whatever was visible in the window is now completely gone in the BD.

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The caps look average. I standby my comments that the Blu-ray caps look like a state-of-the-art modern upscaled DVD with contrast boosting.

No upscale could resolve the grain this well: http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7...shot054620.png

Contrast aside, I'd say it's a slightly above average transfer detail-wise for a 35mm film.
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post #15 of 108
11/28/09 at 1:12pm
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The caps look average. I standby my comments that the Blu-ray caps look like a state-of-the-art modern upscaled DVD with contrast boosting.

And again I say that your comments simply have no merit. Yes, there's contrast boosting and yes it's to the detriment of the picture. But saying that it looks like an upscaled DVD is a poor joke at best. The resolution is great and there's seemingly no DNR or EE. If it wasn't for the contrast boosting, this would have been a standout presentation of the film.
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post #16 of 108
11/28/09 at 1:17pm
Sunglasses should be required to watch this Blu-ray. Ouch.
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post #17 of 108
11/28/09 at 2:04pm
I hate the fact that I'll be passing on this Blu-ray. There were 3 DVD versions of the film if I remember correctly, so hopefully we can see a new corrected BD in the future. Don't get me wrong, the BD is quite large a improvement over the DVD (More so then I thought it would be actually) but the boosting is enough for me to pass. I've seen the film too many times and the boosting just doesn't look right. In the first set of Oldman pics, you can clearly see that the grain structure has suffered from from the boost. It's Ghostbusters and Stargate all over again. Though I happily re-bought Stargate because the problems were 100% corrected in the 15th Ann. Edition. But the first Stargate disc helped me learn my a lesson. Therefor I didn't buy Ghostbusters, and I won't be buying this.
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post #18 of 108
11/28/09 at 3:57pm
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http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7...shot054620.png

Is anyone else seeing EE here?
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post #19 of 108
11/28/09 at 4:02pm
Nope.
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post #20 of 108
11/28/09 at 4:13pm
I am unfamiliar with this movie - what are the opinions regarding the theatrical edition versus the extended edition???
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post #21 of 108
11/28/09 at 4:27pm
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I standby my comments that the Blu-ray caps look like a state-of-the-art modern upscaled DVD with contrast boosting.

you must have a magic upscaler.
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post #22 of 108
11/28/09 at 5:02pm
is there actually some argument over the dvd looking better than the blu ray?
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post #23 of 108
11/28/09 at 5:06pm
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I hate the fact that I'll be passing on this Blu-ray. There were 3 DVD versions of the film if I remember correctly, so hopefully we can see a new corrected BD in the future. Don't get me wrong, the BD is quite large a improvement over the DVD (More so then I thought it would be actually) but the boosting is enough for me to pass. I've seen the film too many times and the boosting just doesn't look right. In the first set of Oldman pics, you can clearly see that the grain structure has suffered from from the boost. It's Ghostbusters and Stargate all over again. Though I happily re-bought Stargate because the problems were 100% corrected in the 15th Ann. Edition. But the first Stargate disc helped me learn my a lesson. Therefor I didn't buy Ghostbusters, and I won't be buying this.

Luc approved this edition so I wouldn't expect a double dip anytime soon.
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post #24 of 108
11/28/09 at 5:19pm
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is there actually some argument over the dvd looking better than the blu ray?

Better in color timing and highlight detail. The BD crushes all previous versions in detail.
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post #25 of 108
11/28/09 at 6:28pm
Darn spectators.
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post #26 of 108
11/28/09 at 9:14pm
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is there actually some argument over the dvd looking better than the blu ray?

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Better in color timing and highlight detail. The BD crushes all previous versions in detail.

Too me, the fleshtones on the BD look superior & there too much red in the other 2 examples.
How does the SD DVD have better colour timing?
BIG thanks.
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post #27 of 108
11/28/09 at 11:18pm
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I am unfamiliar with this movie - what are the opinions regarding the theatrical edition versus the extended edition???

In this case, the international cut isn't a director's cut... the theatrical cut is what Besson released. The so-called international cut or "version integrale" is referred to by Besson as the "longer version". It adds 23 minutes of footage, most of it character interaction between Mathilda and Leon, including some of the more disturbing relationship scenes and several of the training scenes.

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There is also a long version of the film, referred to as "international version" or "version intégrale". It is sometimes called the "Director's Cut" but Besson refers to the original version as the Director's Cut and the new version as "The Long Version". It is also called the "international version" as only this version was released in Japan.[11]

It has approximately 23 minutes of additional footage that was removed from the original release. The additional material is found in the film's second act, and it depicts more of the interactions and relationship between Léon and Mathilda. In one scene, Mathilda plays Russian roulette to try to get Léon to admit he loves her; in another, she openly asks him to be her first lover, but he refuses, although they do innocently share a bed. In another scene he teaches Mathilda the "Ring Trick" which involves knocking on people's door and breaking the chain after the occupant opens the door, and in the event of the occupant fighting back or refusing to open, throwing a grenade inside (when he does, he shows Mathilda the pin). There is also a detailed scene in which Léon teaches Mathilda where to shoot the target, using a cocaine dealer to show her, and how one should never shoot at the face, because doing so would render identification impossible. After he kills the dealer Mathilda burns all the drugs using isopropyl alcohol. He also refers to a past romantic relationship he once had that ended in tragedy and started his career as a hitman. Most of the other material in the longer cut involves Mathilda accompanying Léon on several of his hits, to further her training.


I think most people prefer the longer version, though it's not a universal opinion. It's absolutely worth watching.
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post #28 of 108
11/29/09 at 12:14am
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In this case, the international cut isn't a director's cut... the theatrical cut is what Besson released. The so-called international cut or "version integrale" is referred to by Besson as the "longer version". It adds 23 minutes of footage, most of it character interaction between Mathilda and Leon, including some of the more disturbing relationship scenes and several of the training scenes.

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There is also a long version of the film, referred to as "international version" or "version intégrale". It is sometimes called the "Director's Cut" but Besson refers to the original version as the Director's Cut and the new version as "The Long Version". It is also called the "international version" as only this version was released in Japan.[11]

It has approximately 23 minutes of additional footage that was removed from the original release. The additional material is found in the film's second act, and it depicts more of the interactions and relationship between Léon and Mathilda. In one scene, Mathilda plays Russian roulette to try to get Léon to admit he loves her; in another, she openly asks him to be her first lover, but he refuses, although they do innocently share a bed. In another scene he teaches Mathilda the "Ring Trick" which involves knocking on people's door and breaking the chain after the occupant opens the door, and in the event of the occupant fighting back or refusing to open, throwing a grenade inside (when he does, he shows Mathilda the pin). There is also a detailed scene in which Léon teaches Mathilda where to shoot the target, using a cocaine dealer to show her, and how one should never shoot at the face, because doing so would render identification impossible. After he kills the dealer Mathilda burns all the drugs using isopropyl alcohol. He also refers to a past romantic relationship he once had that ended in tragedy and started his career as a hitman. Most of the other material in the longer cut involves Mathilda accompanying Léon on several of his hits, to further her training.


I think most people prefer the longer version, though it's not a universal opinion. It's absolutely worth watching.

The longer version primarily focuses on the possible pedophile relationship hinted at in the Theatrical.
There are times when it becomes very uncomfortable to sit through, IMO.

The video and audio is excellent and entirely worth upgrading from DVD (if you are a fan of the film).
I didn't find the "boosted" contrast to be a problem at all.
Thoroughly enjoyed this BD.

BTW, didn't really notice any EE while actually watching the disk.
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post #29 of 108
11/29/09 at 1:08am
And another thing!

The acting is absolutely top-notch.
It would be hard to find 4 better demonstrations of superior acting in one movie.
Jean Reno - the best I have ever seen him.
Natalie Portman - her 1st role, and her best performance.
Gary Oldman - never topped this.
Danny Aiello - his finest...ever.

Four acting performances of the highest degree.
Without these, the movie would have suffered greatly.

After 15 years, this film's power diminishes not in the slightest.
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post #30 of 108
11/29/09 at 2:34am
Everyyyyyyoooonnnneeeee!!!
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