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post #31 of 108
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Originally Posted by Deviation View Post

And again I say that your comments simply have no merit. Yes, there's contrast boosting and yes it's to the detriment of the picture. But saying that it looks like an upscaled DVD is a poor joke at best. The resolution is great and there's seemingly no DNR or EE. If it wasn't for the contrast boosting, this would have been a standout presentation of the film.

I have to agree.

The Blu-ray Disc has greatly increased detail, no EE, no DNR, a suitably film-like look with grain intact without being rampant, and is generally better than the DVD in every way bar one.

That one problem is the boosted contrast which occasionally strips details from very bright areas.

One thing that's starting to get my goat - film has many different qualities and advantages over SD video, many (thohgh not all) of which can be resolved on HD video. Whenever we get a transfer which is better on the Blu-ray Disc than the DVD in every area bar one you get 'purists' screaming how it doesn't look like film, and they'll stick with upscaled DVD.

If a BD is getter than the DVD in 5 areas out of 6 I'll enjoy the 5 rather than moaning about the 6th.

Steve W
post #32 of 108
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

One thing that's starting to get my goat - film has many different qualities and advantages over SD video, many (thohgh not all) of which can be resolved on HD video. Whenever we get a transfer which is better on the Blu-ray Disc than the DVD in every area bar one you get 'purists' screaming how it doesn't look like film, and they'll stick with upscaled DVD.

If a BD is getter than the DVD in 5 areas out of 6 I'll enjoy the 5 rather than moaning about the 6th.

+1. Especially if the BD transfer has been approved by the director (link).
post #33 of 108
I have said umpteen times that the Blu-ray looks better w.r to color and grain retention in the other thread but this is still not sufficient to call it a very good transfer. This one is slightly worse than Run Lola Run in terms of contrast boosting.

Btw, I have bought this movie as it's great and we aren't going to see any new version probably for another 3-5 years.
post #34 of 108
The contrast boosting is rather distracting and kinda hurts the eyes a bit, but otherwise, the transfer looks great.
post #35 of 108
Detail looks pretty lackluster. Upscaled DVD? maybe not, but not very 1080p either... this is a film that really oughtta get the Braveheart treatment.
post #36 of 108
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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

I have said umpteen times that the Blu-ray looks better w.r to color and grain retention in the other thread but this is still not sufficient to call it a very good transfer. This one is slightly worse than Run Lola Run in terms of contrast boosting.

You've also said (umpteen times) that the disc looks like it's an upscaled DVD, which is nonsense (and at least one of those times was before you even had the disc in-hand.)
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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

Btw, I have bought this movie as it's great and we aren't going to see any new version probably for another 3-5 years.

Have you even received and watched your disc yet, or are you still basing your opinions on the screencaps? You said in the other thread (on Nov. 21st) that it would take about two weeks to get the disc. You keep saying that you've purchased the disc, but never actually mention if you've watched said disc.


I know you've had a hard time accurately judging a given disc's PQ in the past (and I also know that you like to comment on titles that you haven't actually seen/heard for yourself,) so it would really be helpful to know if your opinions are based on actually watching the disc in question or merely on the screencaps provided in the thread.
post #37 of 108
There isn't any way in hell I could confuse this BD with the DVD.
I have both.
I compared one to the other on my Oppo 83.
It ain't even close.

BTW, I like the contrast boosting.
Although it is a little distracting from time to time, I think it does open up the picture and allows better resolve of the deepest grays/blacks.
post #38 of 108
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

BTW, I like the contrast boosting.
Although it is a little distracting from time to time, I think it does open up the picture and allows better resolve of the deepest grays/blacks.

+1 for the most part. I believe they were going after the effect of punching up the subject of specific scenes. (For those that aren't aware, that means whatever the camera is focused on.) In those scenes, the subject is generally VERY high res with loads of detail. If that means that some background detail is lost, so be it. But there's just no way anyone could confuse this transfer with the DVD. My only real objection is some crushed blacks in a few scenes. Anyone passing on this release based on the screen shots is making a big mistake.
post #39 of 108
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

my only real objection is some crushed blacks in a few scenes. Anyone passing on this release based on the screen shots is making a big mistake.

+2
post #40 of 108
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Originally Posted by Steeb View Post

Have you even received and watched your disc yet, or are you still basing your opinions on the screencaps? You said in the other thread (on Nov. 21st) that it would take about two weeks to get the disc. You keep saying that you've purchased the disc, but never actually mention if you've watched said disc.

I know you've had a hard time accurately judging a given disc's PQ in the past (and I also know that you like to comment on titles that you haven't actually seen/heard for yourself,) so it would really be helpful to know if your opinions are based on actually watching the disc in question or merely on the screencaps provided in the thread.

We are divided community here when it comes to presuming the look of the movie based on screenshots. This is nothing new.

1) The caps doesn't exhibit that much details especially in the background. The facial close-ups looks just OK. My comments were based on the screencaps which is clearly mentioned in my posts.

2) I have bought the disc but have to wait few weeks / months to get it delivered to my country. It took 2 months for my previous orders to reach me. After watching it I gave my honest opinions. Also, it's a mammoth task to get hold of Blu-rays in my country.

There are plenty of members here who post opinions based on screenshots. Also, there are members who rant on the movie quality without even watching the BD (Transformers 2, G.I Joe etc.), which IMO makes no sense in this section of the forum. Why don't you question them? What's the problem when I clearly mention these words "Based on the screencaps"? Why can't one post his/her opinions? That's what these forums are for.

Please do not talk as if I am patrolling the forums like a cop or breathlessly discussing the movie to death or cat fighting with members making offensive comments which is frequently happening these days.
post #41 of 108
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Originally Posted by andreasy969 View Post

Especially if the BD transfer has been approved by the director (link).

So it's a "the director's word is final" sort of thing now? Tell that to the boys in the Dracula and French Connection threads... What happened to representing the theatrical experience?

The Blu-ray certainly looks better, I'm definitely not arguing that. But just look at the color difference... it's not exactly subtle. When the boosting forces a loss in detail compared to a DVD, then there's a definite problem. I learned my lesson with Stargate so I can happily wait for a corrected Leon (And Ghostbusters for that matter) even if it takes years. My DVD's may suffer from lower resolution and lack of sharpness, but at least they look like how I remember seeing them.
post #42 of 108
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Originally Posted by InspectorToschi View Post

So it's a "the director's word is final" sort of thing now? Tell that to the boys in the Dracula and French Connection threads... What happened to representing the theatrical experience?

The Blu-ray certainly looks better, I'm definitely not arguing that. But just look at the color difference... it's not exactly subtle. When the boosting forces a loss in detail compared to a DVD, then there's a definite problem. I learned my lesson with Stargate so I can happily wait for a corrected Leon (And Ghostbusters for that matter) even if it takes years. My DVD's may suffer from lower resolution and lack of sharpness, but at least they look like how I remember seeing them.

You can still like or dislike a director approved transfer, but with director approval comes a much reduced chance of things ever being changed. Most people will not view this as a technical screwup of any kind, merely a mildly controversial artistic decision.

The original Stargate was kind of a mess, and Lionsgate ALWAYS double-dips its few big films. I would not use that as a gauge on whether or not Leon will be redone in a timely manner (or ever). Luc Besson apparently approved the current transfer, it is not lacking in other areas besides the contrast, and this version has come out in multiple countries now, including Besson's home country. Wait all you want, but it may be all for nothing.
post #43 of 108
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Originally Posted by lgans316 View Post

Please do not talk as if I am patrolling the forums like a cop or breathlessly discussing the movie to death or cat fighting with members making offensive comments which is frequently happening these days.

Thank you for pointing this out.

It is OOOOOK to disagree around here, as long as it doesn't get nasty.

I'll say it again: do we want this forum to be an echo chamber?
Heck NO!
It is fun to share different opinions with everyone.
post #44 of 108
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post #45 of 108
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Originally Posted by InspectorToschi View Post

So it's a "the director's word is final" sort of thing now?

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Originally Posted by Neo_Reloaded View Post

You can still like or dislike a director approved transfer, but with director approval comes a much reduced chance of things ever being changed. Most people will not view this as a technical screwup of any kind, merely a mildly controversial artistic decision.

I could't have put it any better myself.
post #46 of 108
Just like Greedo shooting first? Haha, I kid, I kid.

I'll admit, those caps burned my retinas upon first glance. I normally trust the collective of this forum, but I need to add this to my Netflix queue before I can buy it.
post #47 of 108
The Blu-Ray version looks the best to me by a mile. But the contrast boosting is very noticeable and disappointing. I would prefer a version that was not so boosted. Was going to buy this, but may have to rent it first to see if the contrast boosting is annoying in person as it is in some of the screencaps.

Great movie though.
post #48 of 108
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Originally Posted by Pecker View Post

I have to agree.

The Blu-ray Disc has greatly increased detail, no EE, no DNR, a suitably film-like look with grain intact without being rampant, and is generally better than the DVD in every way bar one.

That one problem is the boosted contrast which occasionally strips details from very bright areas.


Steve W

Watch this over the weekend and I definitely enjoyed the improved transfer. I noticed the better details and PQ right away.

I didn't notice the boosted contrast and I didn't feel as my retinas were being strained from excessive brightness.
Glad I didn't peek in this thread until I already viewed the film as I might have been looking for these "contrast flaws."
post #49 of 108
if the torch mode whites were'nt on the theatrical prints why do we need them now ?

are we gonna get lawrence Of Arabia with some extra telecine wobble to mimick the shaky cam thing?
post #50 of 108
The MPEG2 shots look incredibly waxy, and are not good looking at all.

The BR looks better, but it still not perfect.
post #51 of 108
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Originally Posted by williamtassone View Post

if the torch mode whites were'nt on the theatrical prints why do we need them now ?

are we gonna get lawrence Of Arabia with some extra telecine wobble to mimick the shaky cam thing?

Please, don't even joke about that. If there's one BD I want to be perfect (Or as best as It can look) It's Lawrence Of Arabia. Sadly, even if it did get a "Patton" like treatment, I'd still probably buy it. Much like I'll probably end up buying Leon eventually.
post #52 of 108
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Originally Posted by BenUK View Post

Everyyyyyyoooonnnneeeee!!!

What do you mean "everyone?"
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post #54 of 108
Just rented the Paramount Japan release. Not that I was expecting any different, but it uses the same contrast-boosted master.
post #55 of 108
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

I love it. So intense!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk

Classic.
post #56 of 108
Oldman plays a nutter very well.
post #57 of 108
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Originally Posted by BenUK View Post

Oldman plays a nutter very well.

Oldman plays everything very well. He's truly one of the best actors to ever be put in front of a screen.
post #58 of 108
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Originally Posted by lordcloud View Post

Oldman plays everything very well. He's truly one of the best actors to ever be put in front of a screen.

True that.
post #59 of 108
The cropping is also kind of disappointing.
post #60 of 108
The director approved the new Criterion releases of The Last Emperor, and look what that got us. I'm still not sure how Bernardo Bertolucci could have gone along with Vittorio Storaro's butchering of his own film to advance some quixotic quest to create The One Universal Aspect Ratio, but he did. Director's approval is meaning less and less these days because of crap like that.

That being said, I watched my copy of Leon the Professional on my PS3 and didn't have any problem with the boosting. Granted, I hadn't seen the movie in years and don't own a DVD copy of the film, but the Blu-ray looked fantastic to my eyes.
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