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post #31 of 75
NOTHING excuses any cuts to this film, nor can there be any excuse for dubbing the thing and refusing to release it with the original sound and music. I want anyone responsible for this to rot in a dark and damp cell somewhere. My all time favorite martial arts picture and I still cannot watch it on anything other than laserdisc!

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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post

Not that this excuses Miramax's dubbing or music changes, but for the record:

My original notes for the 2000 theatrical release of LoDM, compared to whatever HK-derived video source I had at the time -- probably a tape of the Laserdisc -- showed no more (and possibly less) than 10-12 seconds difference in timing (scene to scene), prior to that final scene. That is, I couldn't find any other "removed" scenes. And, while on the whole I'm a purist, I can't help but applaud that final omission, since I thought the scene was so horrible that it cast a pall on what is otherwise a masterpiece. In fact, while interviewing Jackie some time in the mid- to late nineties, I urged him not to roll over every time New Line or Miramax cut scenes out based on *some* moron's assumption about what would or wouldn't play for American audiences. He kept saying (in essence), "Well, I know what works in Hong Kong, but I don't know what works in America. They know more about that than I do. And New Line will tell me that Miramax is handling it wrong, and Miramax will tell me that New Line is handling it wrong. So I leave it up to my manager."

While I was urging him to not to let them chop the films up for the U.S., I made one exception -- the final scene in DM2. I'm sure other people must have told him the same, since, as far as I can tell, that ended up being the only real cut they made. (And I am not deluded enough to think that anybody is making these decisions based solely on some passing remark I made in the middle of a 45-minute interview.) For me, that "Special Olympics" joke truly belongs in the Special Features, not in the film.

If one of the other HK fanatics here can point to other missing scenes, I retract the above and apologize.
post #32 of 75
Thread Starter 
I was able to get FOF, BB, and WOTD for under $60 shipped. I'll let everyone know my first hand experience one I am able to review them.
post #33 of 75
Thread Starter 
Just an FYI on what Fortune Star was up against...

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"Hi, Tiziano, thanks for your kind words! In fact, the old Golden Harvest studios had terrible storage facilities. No-one anticipated that we would be releasing these films, so many years later, on DVD! When Star took over the library, some of the prints had mold on them. So I think the recent releases look pretty good considering .
post #34 of 75
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Just received WOTD and FOF. Here are my thoughts (I will compare the directly with the Ultimate Editions):

Way of The Dragon
Picture 3.5/5 Stars
I have heard many people say that there is a blue tint through out the film. I did notice this tendency, but I also noticed that skin tones, reds, yellows and blues were rendered beautifully. Greens had a slight bluish tendency. Flesh tones looked beautiful. Better than the Ultimate Edition where all of the colors are dull with a red tint. I wonder which is correct.

Whatever anyone says this is a very clean print. There is the beginning sequence out of focus in the airport, but that's consistent in every edition I've seen. Once they get back to the apartment, it all gets good. I saw less artifacts than any other edition by far. The scenes with the restaurant has very nice reds and flesh tones, as well as colorful flowers and table cloths. I didn't find and NR anywhere in this. I think it captures all of he detail available with this particular print. Shadow detail it there as well. I could see details in the picture that were not there in any standard def edition.

I would say that this print was a little soft, but It is worlds better than the Police Story Bluray as well as the Ultimate Edition.

Sound 2.5/5
I'm grading this as a 2.5 purely because it has always been fairly mediocre sound. I did however hear some bass in a few scenes where I had never heard it before. Must have been the result of them splitting the channels.

Fist of Fury
Picture 3.0/5 Stars
I found that this one had the same overall characteristics as the WOTD. The intro looked better than any other edition, but was somewhat washed out through the funeral....then it all got much better. When he walks into the Japanese studio the reds on the door pop as do the wooden tables and flesh tones.

Sound 2.5/5
This is basic 2 channel stuff turned into 7 channels. Ya get what you pay for. Again, I really liked it in Chinese with English subtitles....for the same reason.
post #35 of 75
I wonder if this will ever be on BD.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/switch-la...nguage=en%5FJP

It's doesn't even come close to A Warrior's Journey as a Doc. but the pagoda footage is awesome. It's been cleaned up, anamorphic and most of it looks like it was filmed today. Unlike the scratched, letterboxed and faded footage used in AWJ.
post #36 of 75
I just ordered Way of the Dragon, Big Boss and Fist of Fury, I'm sure I'll be happy as I am an old Bruce Lee fan. Some people on this forum see DNR in their sleep, it's rarely as bad as all that.

Those waiting for a domestic release are fools IMO. Domestic releases not only of these, but Asain films in general are almost universally awful(see The New Police Story Blu-ray even). I've never forgotten the old Fox DVD set, pretty packaging, but the transfers looked awful, and there were no Chinese audio tracks.
post #37 of 75
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

I just ordered Way of the Dragon, Big Boss and Fist of Fury, I'm sure I'll be happy as I am an old Bruce Lee fan. Some people on this forum see DNR in their sleep, it's rarely as bad as all that.

Those waiting for a domestic release are fools IMO. Domestic releases not only of these, but Asain films in general are almost universally awful(see The New Police Story Blu-ray even). I've never forgotten the old Fox DVD set, pretty packaging, but the transfers looked awful, and there were no Chinese audio tracks.

Well it seems you haven't kept up because the latest boxset release (2005) from FOX was from the same masters as the R3 boxset that was released in HK minus ETD and with the same anamorphic picture and audio options (mandarin,cantonese, eng dub) including the awful DTS tracks. So, I'm positive that when the are released here on BD it will be exactly the same and much cheaper.
post #38 of 75
I didn't realize that, I have completely ignored DVD releases since HD DVDs debut was still a year away. Any case, as others have said, the Bruce lee movies have always been an after thought domestically. I'd be suprised if these come out before 2011 here, meanwhile I've been in the mood for them for 6 months now, and have avoided the DVDs lol.
post #39 of 75
The incomparable Bev (01-10):
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...fthedragon.htm
"WitD"
post #40 of 75
I saw all these films on the big screen in many theatres back in 1973 and 74!
They looked much much better than the dvd releases!
The films need a complete restoration as they have been treated poorly over the years!
The Big Boss did get some type of restoration back in the 90s i think so it would look better!
I think Enter The Dragon could stand a better transfer due to video artifacts i can see on very big screens,i think they put to much material on 1 disc.
post #41 of 75
I'd wish Universal would release "Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story" on Blu-ray. The DVD release isn't even anamorphic. I had it on my DVR from Universal HD but I accidently deleted it. It looked way better than the DVD, but not as good as it should have been for HD.
post #42 of 75
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Originally Posted by zefres View Post

I have the best of the DVDs for this movie and though the HD transfer is relatively soft, it is clean and represents the best available edition of the movie and is sharper image than the DVD. Here's the comparison:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCom...fistoffury.htm

I agree that Bruce Lee's movies deserve better treatment, but this is the best so far.

The Forutne Star DVD's look better than the BD to me. The colors look more natural and there is far more detail. The BD just looks cleaner. I guess I'll stick to my Fortune Star set...

I personally would prefer that someone totally redo the all of the sound effects and even reedit the film. Since there is no other Bruce Lee footage, they might as well redo these to make them as good as can be.
post #43 of 75
I found the 5.1 remixes on the dvd to be pretty horrendous. Can anyone confirm if the BDs carry these over?
post #44 of 75
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Originally Posted by HonestAsianGuy View Post

I found the 5.1 remixes on the dvd to be pretty horrendous. Can anyone confirm if the BDs carry these over?

Worse because they are expanded to 7.1 with new effects
post #45 of 75
I hate when his films are reviewed and they say something like"not perfect but should please Bruce Lee fans"
Like i don't mind a cheap transfer because i am a Bruce Lee fan and quality is not something i care about, just give me the movies again on Blu-ray with 2 extra manufactured channels and no film grain,just heavy dnr!
post #46 of 75
post #47 of 75
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I knew they were going to do a boxset sooner or later. That will eventually be released in the States like the DVD Fortune Star set. BTW, I saw the DVD set at Walmart for $13 the other day. It was $50 when it was released 5 years ago.
post #48 of 75
The 5.1 audio on the Fortune Star Set Region 1 DVD is terrible, especially on Game Of Death. The 2.0 Dolby Surround from the CBS/FOX VHS, Laserdisc, & The Bruce Lee Master Collection DVD sounded a lot better. If any of you have the VHS or previous DVD of Game Of Death, you'll know what I'm talking about.
It just sounds so much clearer & dynamic.

As soon as I put the Fortune Star DVD in I noticed it was very muffled on both the DD & DTS 5.1 soundtracks, & I immediately switched to the 2.0 English option, & while it sounded better, it came from a lower quality source than the original VHS, LD & DVD 2.0 track.
post #49 of 75
The laserdiscs from the USofA are so infinitely superior as far as the sound goes tat it's a travesty. Not one single DVD release anywhere in the world can compare. I am not making this up.
post #50 of 75
Yeah Matt, you got that right! The reason that the LD's sound superior is that the audio mix was done in-house by Fox in the early 90's, using higher quality elements than what other studios had to work with. The Bruce Lee Master Collection DVD's from 1999 used the same masters as the Laserdiscs.

You can tell because when you start the movie up you see the CBS/Fox Special Widescreen Presentation Bumper used on Fox Laserdiscs.


Fox should have done their own remasters instead of licensing the DVD set from Fortune Star. I'm pretty sure it would've sounded better.
post #51 of 75
so whats the consenus. i have the dvd boxset and love every movie. is the bluray version any better pq wise than the dvd? im using a 126" screen so every little bit counts.
post #52 of 75
I have a 147in screen, and can confirm the current Bruce Lee DVDs are the best presentation out there by far.
post #53 of 75
If I'm reading this thread correctly:
Audio - LD's bests the DVD's & DVD's bests the BD's.
Video - DVD's bests the BD's.

Is this the case?
(hope not; cause I'm not buying an LD player)
post #54 of 75
Does Enter the Dragon look the same/better than the current Warner blu? From what I understand, the Warner version has jaggies due to them using an interlaced source? Was this ever fixed?

Side note: Big Boss looks awesome.... hopefully there is a US box set in the works...
post #55 of 75
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Originally Posted by stumlad View Post

Does Enter the Dragon look the same/better than the current Warner blu? From what I understand, the Warner version has jaggies due to them using an interlaced source? Was this ever fixed?

ETD looks pretty good but is dubbed in chinese and should be avoided.
post #56 of 75
Yup, stick with the domestic.
post #57 of 75
It looks like there are two releases of "Enter The Dragon" on Blu-ray listed on Amazon. One has a release date of April 2007:

http://www.amazon.com/Enter-Dragon-B...8026179&sr=8-2

The other has a release date of June 2010:

http://www.amazon.com/Enter-Dragon-B...8026335&sr=8-1

Does anyone know what the difference is, if any? Does the newer version look better?
post #58 of 75
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Originally Posted by TimV View Post

It looks like there are two releases of "Enter The Dragon" on Blu-ray listed on Amazon. One has a release date of April 2007:

http://www.amazon.com/Enter-Dragon-B...8026179&sr=8-2

The other has a release date of June 2010:

http://www.amazon.com/Enter-Dragon-B...8026335&sr=8-1

Does anyone know what the difference is, if any? Does the newer version look better?

2010 edition drops the 100 min documentary "A Warrior's Journey".
post #59 of 75
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Originally Posted by HonestAsianGuy View Post

2010 edition drops the 100 min documentary "A Warrior's Journey".

But the picture quality is the same?
post #60 of 75
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Originally Posted by TimV View Post

But the picture quality is the same?

Same thing.
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