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post #1 of 16
12/2/09 at 12:41pm
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I currently have the VSX-91TXH. I had this since 2007. I have the 52 Sony Bravia along with PS3, Xbox 360 and Dish Network. I use my Iphone and Ipod all the time to play music via the Pioneer VSX-91TXH. My Omni Mirage speakers are set up in a 7.1 system which is outstanding in my opinion. I have been looking at the Sony ES models that might sync better with the TV and PS3 and work well with my Iphone/Ipod. Also I saw the Pioneer 1019-AH on Cnet with great reviews. The pioneer VSX-23TXH looks sweet as well. I know that I'm not the only one out here going through the same ordeal! So should I upgrade or keep what I got? Can you be supportive in your reply as to why or why not?
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post #2 of 16
12/2/09 at 1:27pm
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Originally Posted by SWAZ1993 View Post

I currently have the VSX-91TXH. I had this since 2007. I have the 52 Sony Bravia along with PS3, Xbox 360 and Dish Network. I use my Iphone and Ipod all the time to play music via the Pioneer VSX-91TXH. My Omni Mirage speakers are set up in a 7.1 system which is outstanding in my opinion. I have been looking at the Sony ES models that might sync better with the TV and PS3 and work well with my Iphone/Ipod. Also I saw the Pioneer 1019-AH on Cnet with great reviews. The pioneer VSX-23TXH looks sweet as well. I know that I'm not the only one out here going through the same ordeal! So should I upgrade or keep what I got? Can you be supportive in your reply as to why or why not?

Forget the 1019 and go for the 23 instead. The 1019 with all channels driven tested out at ~28 watts/channel. The 23 will give you more connectivity than your 91, MCACC room eq'ing among a few other things. Leave the Sony ES where it is. I sure would not buy a Sony ES receiver just so it MAY get along better with my other equipment. Don't know for sure if you would hear a major difference between the 91 and the 23 but the connectivity and MCACC should be the difference maker.
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post #3 of 16
12/4/09 at 3:17am
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Thanks for the info. I will see if a local Pro Audio place has these receivers.
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post #4 of 16
12/4/09 at 6:39pm
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Is the VSX-1019AH-K better than what I have?
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post #5 of 16
12/5/09 at 4:16am
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Is the VSX-1019AH-K better than what I have?

Newer yes, better I don't know. For what you can get the 1019 for you can get an Elite 21 for a little more.
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post #6 of 16
12/5/09 at 10:28am
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Newer yes, better I don't know. For what you can get the 1019 for you can get an Elite 21 for a little more.

Would you say the Elite 21/23 or better than my current Elite 91?
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post #7 of 16
12/5/09 at 11:09am
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Would you say the Elite 21/23 or better than my current Elite 91?

I would say yes, but problably due to the MCACC program. Connectivity would be more up to date. Your 91 problably has more legacy inputs which you may or may not need. Power wise they are aproximately the same. I'm sure you also paid more for the 91 than you would have to pay for either the 21 or 23. THe biggest improvement would be connectivity and the MCACC. If possible you may want to keep that 91 a little longer and save for one of the new Elites with the ICE amps. Those are higher in cost (either the SC25 or 27) but they have drawn very good reviews especially from users here. More bells and whistles and an awesome looking piece of gear. The prices on those 25 or the 27 will drop whenever Pioneer announces new models in the Spring. If you don't want one of those either the 21 or 23 will do the job easily. Good luck and enjoy.
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post #8 of 16
12/5/09 at 12:42pm
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I would say yes, but problably due to the MCACC program. Connectivity would be more up to date. Your 91 problably has more legacy inputs which you may or may not need. Power wise they are aproximately the same. I'm sure you also paid more for the 91 than you would have to pay for either the 21 or 23. THe biggest improvement would be connectivity and the MCACC. If possible you may want to keep that 91 a little longer and save for one of the new Elites with the ICE amps. Those are higher in cost (either the SC25 or 27) but they have drawn very good reviews especially from users here. More bells and whistles and an awesome looking piece of gear. The prices on those 25 or the 27 will drop whenever Pioneer announces new models in the Spring. If you don't want one of those either the 21 or 23 will do the job easily. Good luck and enjoy.

The 91 has MCACC. I'm assuming that Pioneer improved on the MCACC program. The 25 and 27 are nice as far as the write up. There are no places that I know of locally that carry those models so I can not get a hands on prior to my purchase. I can afford them all but I'm trying to be cost effective as possible. I don't want to pay an extra grand just for more wattage or some miniscule add on. It's just that the 91 seems outdated for my current usage. Receivers are like laptops...they last 2 yrs and then you need to upgrade. The 25/27 are updated via firmware, which is a big plus as far as a receiver is concerned. I will see is I can get a better story on these models before making my decision.
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post #9 of 16
12/5/09 at 2:18pm
Have you considered anything else but Pioneer? For what you are willing to spend there is an awesome buy at OneCall for the Denon 4308CI. You could also look into the new Onkyo offerings the 707,807 NR1007 and 3007. For Denon there is the 1910,2310,3310 which are all really nice. These models use Audyssey for EQ programs. The higher the model # the better the program. The Denon's use Multi-EQ. The Onkyo's start with 2Eq and go up to Multi-Eq XT. Some of the Onkyo's are THX certified if that means anything to you. If you favor the Elites the SC 25 or 27 are really great AVR's and there's more to them now than when you purchased your 91, as with all the newer models. The Denon's and Onkyo now have a feature that you setup using either Height or Wides for the front, if you are somewhat interested in that. Of course that means extra speakers unless you are already set-up for 7.1. Most of the above models from Onkyo and Denon are also 7.2 AVR's and depending on which flavor of Audyssey you get they will also EQ 2 subs.
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post #10 of 16
12/5/09 at 5:52pm
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Have you considered anything else but Pioneer? For what you are willing to spend there is an awesome buy at OneCall for the Denon 4308CI. You could also look into the new Onkyo offerings the 707,807 NR1007 and 3007. For Denon there is the 1910,2310,3310 which are all really nice. These models use Audyssey for EQ programs. The higher the model # the better the program. The Denon's use Multi-EQ. The Onkyo's start with 2Eq and go up to Multi-Eq XT. Some of the Onkyo's are THX certified if that means anything to you. If you favor the Elites the SC 25 or 27 are really great AVR's and there's more to them now than when you purchased your 91, as with all the newer models. The Denon's and Onkyo now have a feature that you setup using either Height or Wides for the front, if you are somewhat interested in that. Of course that means extra speakers unless you are already set-up for 7.1. Most of the above models from Onkyo and Denon are also 7.2 AVR's and depending on which flavor of Audyssey you get they will also EQ 2 subs.

To be honest I never looked outside of Pioneer due to my familiarity with it. I do have a 7.1 set up using Mirage Omni towers, center channel and surrounds along with Omni subwoofer. What do you have?
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post #11 of 16
12/6/09 at 5:36am
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To be honest I never looked outside of Pioneer due to my familiarity with it. I do have a 7.1 set up using Mirage Omni towers, center channel and surrounds along with Omni subwoofer. What do you have?

I'm using an Onkyo 876 with Paradigm Reference all arounds. I'm a big fan of Yamaha first and then Onkyo. I wanted to upgrade this year but the offerings from Yamaha just weren't up to their standards with their new models. I also love Onkyo products as I've always had very good luck with them. I craved the Pioneer Elite 84 when it came out but had just bought the Yamaha 2600 and no funds for that one and divorce court. Onkyo has a lot of models that will do what you want, but if your'e like me you like to stick to brands you know. There's not a thing wrong with brand loyalty, you like the way they sound,feel,and know you've got a great product. The ones I gave you were just another option for you to look into. Good luck and good hunting. Also let me mention if you want to get an Elite give Robert and his crew a call at Value Electronics, good guys to work with and they are authorized. You can also get some good deals here from the AVS Store. Give them a call also and listen to what they have to say.
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post #12 of 16
12/6/09 at 5:48am
imo, keep the 91... with the sources that you have, there are no compelling reasons to ditch it and go for either the 1019 or 21/23...

i'm not sure what is "outdated" about the 91 for your current usage...
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post #13 of 16
12/6/09 at 6:52am
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imo, keep the 91... with the sources that you have, there are no compelling reasons to ditch it and go for either the 1019 or 21/23...

i'm not sure what is "outdated" about the 91 for your current usage...

I was wondering when you were going to come into this topic and help. My advice was to go for the 25 or 27 if possible. Although that 4308CI is outstanding for the price. Thanks its always helpful to get other opinions. And besides I think the OP has been bitten by the Upgrade bug. Nothing wrong with that though.
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post #14 of 16
12/6/09 at 8:06am
somehow, i managed to miss it until now... i'm getting old...

i'd agree with that advice (go 25/27, simply for the ice amps)... to be honest, i think the 1019/21/23 would actually be a step down from what the op has now... at best, the 21/23 would be a lateral move...

that denon is certainly a contender at that price... even being a pioneer guy, i'd have to consider that if i was looking...

haven't we all been bitten by that bug? altogether too hard on too many occasions... as you say, nothing wrong with that... plus pioneer can use the money...
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post #15 of 16
12/6/09 at 8:50pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

imo, keep the 91... with the sources that you have, there are no compelling reasons to ditch it and go for either the 1019 or 21/23...

i'm not sure what is "outdated" about the 91 for your current usage...

The 91 is serving its purpose. I bought it because I was on a budget during that time. I want something that gives me better video processing via HDMI along with a better OSD/GUI and Ipod/Iphone compatibility. As far as looking at other brands, I love Pioneer because much of everything is include as in Ipod/Iphone connections cables and they look so sexy as compared to all the other AV's out there. Does the ICE Amps bring that much difference to the table?
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post #16 of 16
12/29/12 at 7:41pm
sorry to resurrect this thread but I just bought the 91 off ebay and just noticed the dimensions say it is over 18" deep??!! Is this true bc if so that is over 5" bigger than my current Pioneer and most other models and wont fit in my cabinet by a long shot
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