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post #391 of 1228
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I will also say that Stanton dealers had HUGELY varied pricing. I got quotes from $54 per square yard up to $92 per square yard for the exact same carpet. I couldn't believe the range of pricing. I would say if you are able to get in the $50 / square yard range for the polypropylene carpet you are doing great.

TMcG is absolutely right here. I have some details in my thread re Stanton pricing. I shopped around for quite a while to find the best price - if you're interested in the Stanton, send me a PM and I'll look up exactly what I found on the pricing stuff.

BTW, I really like your carpet choice. smile.gif Here's mine:

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post #392 of 1228
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- if you're interested in the Stanton, send me a PM and I'll look up exactly what I found on the pricing stuff.
BTW, I really like your carpet choice. smile.gif

PM sent.

I'm pretty sure it was your thread that turned me on to that Stanton pattern.
post #393 of 1228
I like that pattern a lot... Makes me wish I did not carpet my basement when they built my home .. I would have something like this then
post #394 of 1228
Question... Building my stage today when I wake up.


For the main stage was going to do 14 feet wide and 3 feet deep .. Then another step below it 8 feet wide 2 feet deep.


So it would be 5 feet out from the wall total do you think that is to far?
post #395 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Carpet Samples-Round 1
Picked out a few carpet samples on Sunday afternoon.
I have to be careful because I'm finding that I either end up with a very monochromatic color scheme with little contrast if I try to keep everything dark or I start to introduce colors that might be a little too light in order to gain some contrast. I really don't want a brown cave, but I don't want to compromise image quality with walls that might be too bright. Any initial thoughts or concerns?

I am in the same boat. Looking for earth tones and a 2 tone scheme. Mne has the lower wall dark, a chairrail, and the upper wall light. I had a pair I thought I liked and mocked it up with fabrictrack on a board. Looks OK in this 2D render, but when it came to start matching stuff it was a nightmare. I have tile and black cabnitry at a wetbar to contend with and a soffit underside that's fabric, too. Called off tile man and went back to the drawing board on colors yesterday. Interested to see what you come up with.

Another thing I learned the hard way is many of the fabrics are highly directional, both of the ones I had picked literally hcange color if you rotate them 90 degrees. Also they are sensitive to light (bulb) color temperature. The Mocha in the render below turns gray under a MR16 3000k halogen or LED, but looks creamy and nice under a 50PAR20 (2750k) halogen.

Click on pic for larger view: This is with GOM Network-Mocha on top and Bailey Coffee Bean on bottom.

Edited by GetGray - 8/11/12 at 7:46am
post #396 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

Question... Building my stage today when I wake up.
For the main stage was going to do 14 feet wide and 3 feet deep .. Then another step below it 8 feet wide 2 feet deep.
So it would be 5 feet out from the wall total do you think that is to far?

It depends how big your space is and how your speakers and sub are configured. If you are doing a false wall, you will need enough room to fit all of that behind your screen and still have enough room for the false wall. 3' sounds about right, depending on the size of your sub and how you intend to build the false wall. Not much of the top portion of your stage will be visible in front of the wall however. Not sure if that is the look you are after. Can you post a sketch of what you intend to do?

If you are fighting for space, you might consider reducing the depth of your step. 2' is probably more than you need.

I can say that the perceived size of my room got a lot smaller once I built the stage & riser. You don't really want them bigger than they need to be unless you have a lot of extra space.

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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

I am in the same boat. Looking for earth tones and a 2 tone scheme. Mne has the lower wall dark, a chairrail, and the upper wall light. I had a pair I thought I liked and mocked it up with fabrictrack on a board. Looks OK in this 2D render, but when it came to start matching stuff it was a nightmare. I have tile and black cabnitry at a wetbar to contend with and a soffit underside that's fabric, too. Called off tile man and went back to the drawing board on colors yesterday. Interested to see what you come up with.
Another thing I learned the hard way is many of the fabrics are highly directional, both of the ones I had picked literally hcange color if you rotate them 90 degrees. Also they are sensitive to light (bulb) color temperature. The Mocha in the render below turns gray under a MR16 3000k halogen or LED, but looks creamy and nice under a 50PAR20 (2750k) halogen.
Click on pic for larger view: This is with GOM Network-Mocha on top and Bailey Coffee Bean on bottom.

Those colors look great in the rendering. I prefer the warmer light, so I would probably choose the 2700k halogen anyway. Thanks for reminding me about that though. I haven't been checking samples under different light sources.

I have more fabric and carpet samples coming early next week, so my search continues.
post #397 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Spaceman 
Those colors look great in the rendering. I prefer the warmer light, so I would probably choose the 2700k halogen anyway. Thanks for reminding me about that though. I haven't been checking samples under different light sources.
I have more fabric and carpet samples coming early next week, so my search continues.
If you like the lower tem halogens, better stock up. THey are about to get hard to get. They stopped making all but the dimmer ones due to the new regulations. I've found a couple of LED's that claim 2700 but they aren't. One is close but it is also a 180 degree flood light. I haven't tried teh other one becasue it's $80 per bulb and I have 18 in my room. $6400 for bulbs is hard to swallow. Anyway the cheaper one ($50 each) isn't good for my theater where I don't want the down lights washing the screen. So I guess I'll be buying a few cases of 50PAR20's.
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post #399 of 1228
Hmmm no false wall spaceman... and my room is 16 to 17 feet deep... So 5 foot would be taken up... I guess I will make the decision in a little bit going to head off. Ill be sure to take pics for you... ...
post #400 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Would any of these work for you?
http://www.1000bulbs.com/category/2700k-60-watt-equal-led-light-bulbs/
No, I need PAR20's. I've tried several of their's and they were not close to 2700. SHould get better over time for price and selection. Halogen will do for now smile.gif
post #401 of 1228
Spaceman I finally got my stage done take a look at my thread... thanks for the help guys
post #402 of 1228
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The samples from Stanton came in. Moving clockwise from top left:
1. Stanton (Royal Dutch), Collection: Kingston , Style: Hickory, Color: 1853 Marble
2. Stanton, Collection: Karaman , Style: Seda, Color: 96305 Ebony
3. Stanton (Royal Dutch), Collection: Lake, Style: Lake Boden, Color: 93121 Black
4. Stanton (Royal Dutch), Collection: Kingston , Style: Gentry, Color: 3247 Ashwood
5. Stanton, Collection: Castle , Style: Osborne, Color: 46197 Ebonized

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I was expecting to like these more, but I don't think we will be going with any of them. They aren't bad, just not what I was expecting.


I also received the sample of Masland Quadrate-Times Square. This is the same carpet Mario used in the Cinemar build. The first dealer I spoke with said it was discontinued, but after checking with Masland and another dealer, I confirmed it is available and had a sample sent to me. This is my favorite so far.

Times Square sample (right) with black FR701, Pewter & Mocha Acoustimac fabric and Berkline black leather. Stanton samples are at left.
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post #403 of 1228
Those are all really nice - the one that jumped out to my eye was "5. Stanton, Collection: Castle , Style: Osborne, Color: 46197 Ebonized" - but they all look like they cost a lot more than my carpet did. tongue.gif
post #404 of 1228
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I don't have pricing on any of the Stanton ones yet. Since they are all wool, they are probably all over $10/sf (at least that's what most of the wool carpets were running at the one store I've been to). The sample I have that resembles your carpet is $4.59/sf and I think the Masland Times Square is around $5.50/sf.

If I went with the Times Square carpet, do you guys think it would look better to carry that carpet onto the stage or do the stage with all black? It's actually a pretty dark carpet (darker than my photo shows).

My stage
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Or I could do a combination and carry Times Square up the vertical faces of the stage and use plain black for the tread/top, like Will's "Out of Africa" build.
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My guess is I'll have enough waste left from cutting in the room to do the stage in Times Square. Ordering a plain black, even if I can find a cheap one, will probably be a more expensive option, but one I would consider if it will help with picture quality. My stage is so shallow though that I'm beginning to wonder how much reflection I'll actually get on the stage.
Edited by Spaceman - 8/16/12 at 7:22pm
post #405 of 1228
I used the same carpet on the floor and the stage. It has no impact on picture quality, its quite dark already. However, if I was going to do it again, I think I would put a solid black carpet on the stage, just to delineate the stage from the floor a little more when the lights are on. Not something I care enough about to redo it though.

Hmm, although now that I think about it, I could always get a long remnant of black carpet, and just recover the "rise" face of the stage, and leave the top as is.
post #406 of 1228
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Just pulled the trigger on a 115" wide 2.35:1 SeymourAV screen & frame. Should be here in about 10 days.
post #407 of 1228
Go with black spaceman.. You cant go wrong and adds a little decour to the room.... What did you pay for the screen? You getting a Anamorphic lens?
post #408 of 1228
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Go with black spaceman.. You cant go wrong and adds a little decour to the room.... What did you pay for the screen? You getting a Anamorphic lens?

I'm leaning towards black if the price is right.

The Seymour prices are on their website. Not sure I can mention them here. It fell somewhere between a Jamestown screen and an SMX screen. I really liked the idea of having one-piece horizontal members with no splice and also liked the o-ring fastening system.

No lens for me, at least right now.
post #409 of 1228
What kind of screen material did you get with the Seymour? I just got my Screen Excellence screen delivered...they sent me the 2K and the 4K Enlightor..I'm not sure which I want to use. Your room is looking awesome, btw!
post #410 of 1228
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Thanks. I went with the Center Stage XD. If you have your pj, try projecting on both and see which looks better. Some of that 4k fabric is pretty interesting. I have a sample of Elite's AcoustikPro 4K. It's so thin that if I placed the sample over a book or newspaper, I could still read the print through the fabric. Pretty stretchy stuff too.
post #411 of 1228
Interesting now i have to start reading about screen material lol
post #412 of 1228
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I'm starting panel construction today (frames only-haven't picked a fabric yet). How large of a gap should I leave between the edges of adjacent frames to accommodate the fabric (and the slight bunching that will occur at the folded corners)? I was thinking 1/8" between panels and 1/16" between panel and ceiling.
post #413 of 1228
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I'm starting panel construction today (frames only-haven't picked a fabric yet). How large of a gap should I leave between the edges of adjacent frames to accommodate the fabric (and the slight bunching that will occur at the folded corners)? I was thinking 1/8" between panels and 1/16" between panel and ceiling.

I will be interested to know this as well. I haven't seen it come up in discussions on any other build thread that is doing fabric frame walls.
post #414 of 1228
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I'm starting panel construction today (frames only-haven't picked a fabric yet). How large of a gap should I leave between the edges of adjacent frames to accommodate the fabric (and the slight bunching that will occur at the folded corners)? I was thinking 1/8" between panels and 1/16" between panel and ceiling.

I used 1/8" between panels. I started with the bottom panels, and then would space the next one up with 1/8" thick masonite squares while I drilled and screwed them to the furring strips (then the pilot holes for the ball/socket connectors - through the frame and into the furring strips).

Oh, and I placed the folded material at the corners on the sides, figuring it would hide a little better there, against my columns.
post #415 of 1228
Is that 1/8" with fabric on the frames or prior to wrapping the frames?
post #416 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Brad Horstkotte View Post

I used 1/8" between panels. I started with the bottom panels, and then would space the next one up with 1/8" thick masonite squares while I drilled and screwed them to the furring strips (then the pilot holes for the ball/socket connectors - through the frame and into the furring strips).
Oh, and I placed the folded material at the corners on the sides, figuring it would hide a little better there, against my columns.

Sounds like a plan, Brad. Since I've already cursed you out for talking me into the ball & socket connectors (400+ if you're counting), I'll just curse louder if the frames don't fit after adding fabric. wink.gif EDIT: Since I'm in Houston, I guess I would be cussin' you out. Just wanted to clarify.

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Is that 1/8" with fabric on the frames or prior to wrapping the frames?

1/8 gap prior to wrapping.
post #417 of 1228
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

I'm starting panel construction today (frames only-haven't picked a fabric yet). How large of a gap should I leave between the edges of adjacent frames to accommodate the fabric (and the slight bunching that will occur at the folded corners)? I was thinking 1/8" between panels and 1/16" between panel and ceiling.

This is going to depend on your construction method. I've been building a couple per day for the past few weeks and found that if I leave 1/8th" on each side, once they are built and fabric wrapped, they are too tight. I've been going with 1/4" per side or slightly less and that has worked well, but I'm mitering the corners and building picture frames. In the spots where there has been more wiggle room than desired, a coat of black paint down the seam has rendered it invisible.

The good news is that if you build them one at a time and fit them as you build them, it shouldn't be too hard to trim one down a bit if it turns out to be too tight. Just don't wrap the fabric before you do the test fit.
post #418 of 1228
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This is going to depend on your construction method. I've been building a couple per day for the past few weeks and found that if I leave 1/8th" on each side, once they are built and fabric wrapped, they are too tight. I've been going with 1/4" per side or slightly less and that has worked well, but I'm mitering the corners and building picture frames. In the spots where there has been more wiggle room than desired, a coat of black paint down the seam has rendered it invisible.
The good news is that if you build them one at a time and fit them as you build them, it shouldn't be too hard to trim one down a bit if it turns out to be too tight. Just don't wrap the fabric before you do the test fit.

The plan was to build and mount each frame (without fabric) before moving on to the next one. Once all the frames were up and I actually have some fabric, I was going to take each panel down one at a time to wrap and remount before moving on to the next. I now realize this may not be the best approach as I could either end up with A) an entire room with panels that become too tight once fabric is added or B) an entire room with excessive gaps. I may have to wrap a corner of my first panel with some of the sample fabric I have to dial it in.

It sounds like the magic number is somewhere between an 1/8" and 1/4" gap. The difference may have to do with the weight of the fabric. If I remember correctly, Brad used a fabric from the GOM Broadcast line and it looks like your fabric is GOM FR701. I have samples of both and the Broadcast is certainly a thinner fabric that would not bunch as much in the corners, thus allowing a smaller initial gap. Maybe others that have done panels with FR701 can weigh in.

Anyway, I have one panel up. Only 83 to go!! I used a 1/4" roundover bit on the edges. I'd like some feedback on how I should handle outside corners where two panels come together.
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Should I just roundover what would be the corner of the wall (left image), or roundover both panels at their common seam? I think the left option has a better look, but the fabric on panel #1 might hold up better with an eased edge. Thoughts?
Edited by Spaceman - 8/17/12 at 2:48pm
post #419 of 1228
The one place where I had that kind of a joint (around the entry doors), I did something like A - since I didn't really want the seam to call attention to itself, like I did for the other "sculpted" seams.

For panel spacing, you could cut a little strip of the fabric you'll be using and double it up, and make sure that you have that much clearance between panels. You're right, my fabric is thinner than some other lines like FR701 - even with 1/8" spacing, there's still a sliver of room between them.

Where's the picture of that one finished panel?? wink.gif Nah, keep working, and give us a snapshot when you're pooped for the day. What's the over/under on number of panels Space gets done today? I'm going to go with 6. biggrin.gif Jeez 84 is a lot of panels! I think I had maybe 50ish.
post #420 of 1228
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I'll save you all the time on the over/under. Final count for today = 1, which is why I didn't take a pic. Seeing that lone panel hanging on the wall was rather depressing after having such great aspirations for the day. At least part of that time included building a panel jig which should help as I move forward. Things should go faster too once I dial in the required gap for the fabric.

I'm heading out for a nice dinner and hope to hit it hard this weekend (in between 2 basketball games and who knows what else).
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