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post #421 of 1165
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I'll save you all the time on the over/under. Final count for today = 1, which is why I didn't take a pic. Seeing that lone panel hanging on the wall was rather depressing after having such great aspirations for the day. At least part of that time included building a panel jig which should help as I move forward. Things should go faster too once I dial in the required gap for the fabric.

I'm heading out for a nice dinner and hope to hit it hard this weekend (in between 2 basketball games and who knows what else).
post #422 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

I'll save you all the time on the over/under. Final count for today = 1, which is why I didn't take a pic. Seeing that lone panel hanging on the wall was rather depressing after having such great aspirations for the day. At least part of that time included building a panel jig which should help as I move forward. Things should go faster too once I dial in the required gap for the fabric.
I'm heading out for a nice dinner and hope to hit it hard this weekend (in between 2 basketball games and who knows what else).

I understand not meeting aspirations for the day. I took the day off to rock the ceiling and all was going well for several hours until I got to cutting pieces to fill in the ceiling. Turns out the T-Square I just bought was way out of alignment so all work stopped and the icing on the cake was finding out that my directional HDMI cable was installed backwards. It was a fun 3 hours fishing it back out of the joists and then installing it correctly.
post #423 of 1165
Weekend starts nnnnnnnow! Have a great one, build or otherwise smile.gif
post #424 of 1165
Panel 2 done yet?
post #425 of 1165
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Nope. One basketball game down. One to go. Thought I'd knock out a few panels between games, but after attempting to wrap a corner on the first panel to gauge fabric thickness, I realized I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm currently researching how to create smooth corners. I don't see much progress happening today.
post #426 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

the icing on the cake was finding out that my directional HDMI cable was installed backwards. It was a fun 3 hours fishing it back out of the joists and then installing it correctly.

Is it an amplified cable/repeater setup? Otherwise the "directional" cable stuff is all marketing snake oil...
post #427 of 1165
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Anyway, I have one panel up. Only 83 to go!!

LOL. I'm at 17/39 and yesterday I made a grand total of 1. It's slow going but if I do a bit each day I'll eventually finish.
post #428 of 1165
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This approach to corners looks worth a try. I'll report back with my findings.
http://www.ucsart.com/content/how-stretch-canvas
post #429 of 1165
thats what I've been doing, it works fine. I had two funky shaped panels, one on each side of the room over where the step and riser are, those had inside corners and were a challenge to get to look right, the outside corners are a piece of cake.
post #430 of 1165
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I have a few inside corners as well. I may ask for some tips when I get to those, sometime between Halloween and Thanksgiving.
post #431 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Nope. One basketball game down. One to go. Thought I'd knock out a few panels between games, but after attempting to wrap a corner on the first panel to gauge fabric thickness, I realized I have no idea what I'm doing. I'm currently researching how to create smooth corners. I don't see much progress happening today.

Wrap a panel corner with fabric the same way you'd wrap the corner of a gift box with wrapping paper - ask your wife to show you how if you're not gifted with gift wrapping. ;-)
post #432 of 1165
for the inside corners leave a lot more fabric than you think you need to
post #433 of 1165
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Is it an amplified cable/repeater setup? Otherwise the "directional" cable stuff is all marketing snake oil...

Monoprice Redmere cables. From my understanding it is a high speed long distance thinner cable. From testing it appears to work very well but I haven't tested 3D (I probably never will)
post #434 of 1165
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Monoprice Redmere cables. From my understanding it is a high speed long distance thinner cable. From testing it appears to work very well but I haven't tested 3D (I probably never will)

Ok, yep, then you did the right thing. RedMere is a an active cable (amplification/re-EQ) and so does indeed have a direction...
post #435 of 1165
How far is your HDMI run?
post #436 of 1165
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Mine will be between 30-35'. Is that still within the acceptable range for a standard HDMI cable?
post #437 of 1165
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Mine will be between 30-35'. Is that still within the acceptable range for a standard HDMI cable?

Yes. Technically speaking as a cable format, HDMI is rated to 50 feet. The quality of the cable becomes more critical as you reach the upper limit. I would highly encourage you to pull TWO SHIELDED Cat-6 cables along with the HDMI so you could have a bullet-proof baluns system as backup. I actual prefer the shielded Cat-6 with Baluns from AudioControl (the BVHD-20). But I also have a 40' Key Digital Python HDMI cable that I am looking to move if you are interested, just let me know.
post #438 of 1165
Thread Starter 
Previously on "Spaceman Theater Build":

Using his redneck table saw,
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Spaceman ripped furring strips from 1/2" plywood to attach to the wall behind his fabric panels. His OCD kicked into overdrive, causing him to shim the furring strips to address wall irregularities. This slowed him down considerably, but didn't break his spirit.
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After getting most of the walls covered with furring strips and getting sidetracked by things like carpet and fabric selection,
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Spaceman decided to proceed with panel construction.


Recent progress:
Built a corner jig by screwing some leftover 1x4s to the top of my temporary plywood work bench. I wanted a nice square corner where I could quickly place/stack the pieces of the frame prior to stapling.
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Cut a boatload of 1-1/2" wide x 1/2" thick plywood strips for the frames. Since I like a challenge, I used the same circular saw used to cut the furring strips (table saws are for the weak and lazy). After measuring for panel size, plywood strips were cut to length and placed in the panel assembly jig.
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2 layers of strips were used with overlapping joints and everything was secured using 7/8" long narrow crown staples using one of these http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/R150FSA-Stapler/index.htm.
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After stapling, the edges of the frame got hit with a 1/4" roundover bit. (I may look at enlarging these to 3/8").
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Heavy duty ball & socket speaker grill guides from Parts Express are being used to secure each frame to the wall. Here is what 400 of them look like:
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And yes, 400 does qualify for a volume discount. Talk to Bev.

To attach the balls and sockets, I placed the stapled frame back into position on the wall. For my 1st 2 panels, I simply held the panel in place while drilling. For the larger panels, I'll be temporarily screwing them into place. Once properly positioned, I found a location that didn't conflict with panel staples and furring strip screws and drilled a pilot hole through the front of the frame and into the furring strip behind the frame.
The pilot hole marks the location for both the ball and socket.
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Once the pilot hole is drilled, the frame is taken back down. Using the pilot hole as a guide, a larger hole for the ball is drilled into the back of the frame using a 7/16" spade bit (with blue tape to mark the 1/2" depth).
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After switching to a 9/16" spade bit, larger holes are drilled into the furring strips at the location of each pilot hole for the socket.
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After inserting the balls and sockets into their holes, the frames pop right into place.
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It only took me 2 panels before I screwed up the mounting. After drilling out the 7/16" ball holes on the frame, I forgot to switch to the larger 9/16" bit before drilling the socket holes in the furring strips. Once the socket holes were drilled using the wrong bit, my pilot holes were gone and it was impossible for me to enlarge the hole while maintaining the exact center point. I had to relocate the holes all together.
Edited by Spaceman - 8/20/12 at 8:44pm
post #439 of 1165
Recommend:
Buy some forstner bits.
post #440 of 1165
I just read through your thread over the last few days here & there, and I'm learning alot...yours is the first full thread I'm checking out. Love it, thanks for the step by step, this is inspiring me! Did you have any good step by step threads that you checked out that would help a noob get a feel for every step involved in a build? Thanks again for the great info on here.
post #441 of 1165
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Originally Posted by GetGray View Post

Recommend:
Buy some forstner bits.

I should probably get some of those, but would they have solved my problem of having to accurately enlarge a hole without being able to place the bit in some sort of pilot hole?
post #442 of 1165
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Originally Posted by tnthudson View Post

I just read through your thread over the last few days here & there, and I'm learning alot...yours is the first full thread I'm checking out. Love it, thanks for the step by step, this is inspiring me! Did you have any good step by step threads that you checked out that would help a noob get a feel for every step involved in a build? Thanks again for the great info on here.

You're welcome. I've learned a lot from all of the threads on here over the last few years. Read as many as you can. BigmouthinDC has links to all of his builds in his signature. I would recommend clicking through each of those as he is great at documenting his projects. They will also touch on soundproofing, which is not a part of my build but may be something you wish to implement. Some common advice you will find in many threads:

-Read, read, read
-Plan, plan, plan
-Save, save save
-Don't hang the projector until the very end

Welcome to the madness.
Edited by Spaceman - 8/20/12 at 6:16pm
post #443 of 1165
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I should probably get some of those, but would they have solved my problem of having to accurately enlarge a hole without being able to place the bit in some sort of pilot hole?
No. I was going to suggest a drilling jig you could attach to your corner jig, but it's probably not worth the trouble. The forstners will just be less likely to blow up the plywood than a paddle bit. Hate to get all that work done on a fram and have a paddle tear up a side on the 4th hole/home stretch.
post #444 of 1165
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Ah...a drilling jig. That would be nice, considering I have about 800 holes to drill. Unfortunately, it would probably only help for the holes going into the frames. The holes going into the furring strips obviously can't be done at the table. Since I wasn't consistent when placing screws in the furring strips, I need to determine locations for the balls/sockets on a case by case basis, in order to work around screws and staples. I'll make it work.smile.gif
post #445 of 1165
I knew. THat's the main reason I didn't suggest in the first palce. Forstner will still help. Not too expensive.
post #446 of 1165
Looking good! I'm getting all nostalgic looking at the frames go up. tongue.gif
post #447 of 1165
Not sure if you mentioned this already, but why are you using ball and sockets over other methods of fastening the frames?

Can you explain and give pro and cons?
post #448 of 1165
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I want to have the ability to take them down and add/remove acoustic material behind the fabric as required. I also want an easy way to make repairs if fabric gets damaged.

I have a few panels by my rack that need to be removable so I can gain access to the back of the rack. In that particular location, the rack is recessed into a closet through the wall and the door into the closet will be covered by the removable panels.

The only cons I can see with the ball/socket approach are:
- the extra time required to attach the balls/sockets (probably an extra 15 minutes per panel over traditional pin nailing)
- the extra cost for the balls/sockets (for my room-around $100 to hang approx. 80 panels).

It's certainly easier, faster and cheaper to pin nail them to the wall, but having the ability to pop one off the wall in less than 2 seconds is worth it to me.
Edited by Spaceman - 8/20/12 at 7:50pm
post #449 of 1165
^^^ Thanks
post #450 of 1165
How easy will the panels be to remove? Since they are so tight together how do you get an edge to pull them out? Any thought to adding a small pull loop to the occassional panel to allow them to be removed?

I'm thinking about using velcro for mine but I would still have the same issue of not having anything to grab ahold of to pull them out/off. Granted, they would not be removed often, if at all, but I wouldn't want to end up tearing them up trying to remove them.
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