or Connect
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Spaceman Theater build - Page 23

post #661 of 1224
That ceiling Is amazing . I just looked up at my black drywall ceiling and shook my head lol
post #662 of 1224
Really good job on the ceiling paint! Looks like a pro did it. Or someone's been practicing their photoshop... eek.gifbiggrin.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

I have 11 recessed lights in the theater, 2 in the equipment closet and 2 in the media closet. I was planning on substituting LED bulbs for the traditional halogen floods, but after pricing them out, I'm not real excited about dropping $300-400 on light bulbs that won't be on very often. I like the idea of the LEDs being a lot cooler, but should this really be a concern if I'm either going to have them off or dimmed most of the time? Yes, it might get warm when I need to vacuum, but is it really worth spending that much money? What are you guys putting in your recessed housings?

I was concerned about the crappy color rendering as well, and the fact that they're not used much (and definitely at very low levels), there's certainly no way to justify it on a cost/electricity tradeoff. I do notice that just turning the lights on will warm the room (if the A/C isn't on), and I attribute that mostly to the rope lights. At the "pre-show" lighting levels, that's where the bulk of my lighting energy is being consumed.

I'd be over to help you with those panels, but I (a) have my own money pit going on still, and (b) really don't think you want my skilz on exposed finishes... biggrin.gif

Jeff
post #663 of 1224
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves View Post

wow that is simply beautiful, umm so Im still learning about all of this but does such a ceiling aid in sound? or is it more aesthetic appeal? does potentially hamper audio? I have been looking at various ceilings and different designs and Im just curious if they can play a hand in how the audio is heard?

Yes, it can cause a fairly constant echo, which sounds like, "damn, that's a fine lookin' ceiling"... cool.gif (oddly, the echo also sounds like Barry White)
post #664 of 1224
Quote:
Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Yes, it can cause a fairly constant echo, which sounds like, "damn, that's a fine lookin' ceiling"... cool.gif (oddly, the echo also sounds like Barry White)

lol
post #665 of 1224
What size cans do you have? I have par30's in my kitchen (4" cans). They're TCL 2700k and they're great.

On the other hand, I was not going to drop $500 on lighbulbs for the theater.. all halogen in there.

Tim
post #666 of 1224

That ceiling is impressive, nice build sir.

post #667 of 1224
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Daniel Chaves View Post

wow that is simply beautiful, umm so Im still learning about all of this but does such a ceiling aid in sound? or is it more aesthetic appeal? does potentially hamper audio? I have been looking at various ceilings and different designs and Im just curious if they can play a hand in how the audio is heard?

I believe there is some benefit when done correctly. Not sure if mine will help or hurt overall acoustics. It's strictly for oohs and aahs, which will hopefully increase in a few weeks when Jeff comes by to add a star mural.
post #668 of 1224
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holiday121 View Post

That ceiling Is amazing . I just looked up at my black drywall ceiling and shook my head lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by jautor View Post

Really good job on the ceiling paint! Looks like a pro did it. Or someone's been practicing their photoshop...

Quote:
Originally Posted by NicksHitachi View Post

That ceiling is impressive, nice build sir.

Thanks guys.

No photoshop here. Just a cool little paint sprayer, lots of plastic sheeting, and more blue tape than I care to mention.
post #669 of 1224
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

What size cans do you have? I have par30's in my kitchen (4" cans). They're TCL 2700k and they're great.
On the other hand, I was not going to drop $500 on lighbulbs for the theater.. all halogen in there.
Tim

They are all 4" and are located in the perimeter soffit. The ones over the screen have the directional trim. The remaining ones have standard trim. I'm going to check out the selection at HD and grab a few different types and sizes to see which looks the best.
post #670 of 1224
Thread Starter 
I took the liberty of modifying Brad's fabric stand so I could hold both rolls of fabric. I was able to use scrap OSB, 1 scrap 2x4, 2 scrap 2x3s, and 2 scrap closet rods, so this one was a freebie.

IMG_1081_zps73af4cf8.jpg

IMG_1082_zpsa2816dae.jpg

IMG_1083_zps9b212f43.jpg


Top fabric: GOM FR701 Chocolate
Bottom Fabric: Acoustex Designer Series #60 Cocoa
IMG_1084_zps9b2ab8bd.jpg

IMG_1085_zpsf4013d89.jpg

I'll be setting up some type of out-feed table for unrolling, cutting and assembling. Most likely a 4x8 sheet of plywood on more sawhorses.
Edited by Spaceman - 10/19/12 at 1:44pm
post #671 of 1224
Nice! Yours will work even better since the rods can spin.
post #672 of 1224
Different brands of fabric because of color or look/texture?
post #673 of 1224
Thread Starter 
The look and texture of both colors are nearly the same. If you had given both samples to me, I would have said they were both GOM FR701. Unfortunately, the lighter brown is not available in the FR701 line, so I had to pay $9 more/yard to another manufacturer to get that particular color. I even called GOM to check on the price of doing a custom dye, hoping it would be less than the $9 premium. After learning the minimum order was 1000 yards, i told them a quote was not necessary.
post #674 of 1224
Wow! That looks really nice! I have some other ideas that I'll talk with you about later.... that might be nice too. That is a sweet ceiling!
post #675 of 1224
Thread Starter 
I'm looking for a cheap black fabric to hang on my back wall before I put the fabric panels up (to keep the shiny FSK facing on the acoustic treatments from showing through the fabric on the panels). What have you guys been using for "behind the scenes" black fabric? I'd prefer something fire-resistant.
post #676 of 1224
RoseBrand black speaker cloth - cheap, acoustically transparent, and fire retardant
post #677 of 1224
Man, that is one sweet lookin' ceiling. Really nice build!

PS - You have 999 posts, make the next one count!
post #678 of 1224
Thread Starter 
For my 1000th post, I give you.....FABRIC PANELS.

I was going to buy a few more saw horses and a sheet of plywood for my out-feed table, but HD had 6' folding tables on sale so I grabbed 2. They are pretty cheap and don't quite fold flat, but they give me a nice big surface to work on. They also aren't very tall so I have them propped up on some plastic storage containers. Still not quite tall enough, but my back hasn't seized up yet.
IMG_1086.jpg

When calculating yardage for my fabric order, I laid out all of my panels on 66" wide rolls, then added 2 extra yards for future repairs.
FabricCutting.jpg

I'm using this layout as a reference to mark the best locations for making cross-cuts across the roll. Each panel gets highlighted after it's wrapped and placed back on the wall.
IMG_1095.jpg

I also have elevations of each wall that show where each numbered panel goes. That one gets highlighted too.
IMG_1096.jpg

Progress so far:
IMG_1087.jpg
IMG_1091.jpg
IMG_1092.jpg
IMG_1093.jpg
IMG_1094.jpg

My goal was to get the majority of the left wall done, so I can get a side-by-side comparison of how the fabric looks under different types of lighting. I'm going to grab a few different types of halogen bulbs to put in the 3 cans on that side of the room to determine which looks the best before I buy all 15 bulbs. Under the lighting of my tripod work light, I've determined:

1. FR701 Chocolate has a purple tint to it. Will try to fix that with proper bulb selection.
2. Acoustex Cocoa has an orange tint to it. Will try to fix that with proper bulb selection.
3. While my paint selections for the ceiling seemed to match the fabric fairly well while standing in the aisle at HD, they obviously don't match very well in the room. Not even close. The ceiling trim was supposed to match the dark fabric and the actual ceiling was supposed to match the light fabric. I really don't want to redo the ceiling, but I'm not happy with the look. Not sure what to do.
4. The mid-support pieces in the larger frames are visible through the fabric, but once the linacoustic is tucked in the frames, those will disappear.

Well, that's where I'm at. The fabric sure brings a finished look to the room, but I'm having a hard time getting excited about it due to the paint and fabric mismatch.

FYI-My in-laws got me one of these a few years ago. Hadn't used it much, but it works really well for making long cuts on the fabric.
http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?productId=202690991&storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_sku=202690991&ci_kw={keyword}&kwd={keyword}&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googleads-_-pla-_-202690991&ci_gpa=pla#.UIrliGdUo5M
Edited by Spaceman - 10/26/12 at 12:43pm
post #679 of 1224
That looks awesome! Congratulations on a job well done!

I see what you mean about the colors. Personally, I think that the darker trim on the ceiling looks great, but agree that the lighter color doesn't seem to match the fabric perfectly. I'd recommend seeing what it looks like with the different bulbs, then deciding where to go from there. It may turn out looking just fine, even if it doesn't match perfectly.

By the way, we both joined the 1000 post club today. It's an exciting time! biggrin.gif
post #680 of 1224
Looking good! Appears that you are having the same problem that the Bacon Race theater did. The lighting in different environments is playing havoc on matching up the colors. I would say that once the lights go out it is all the same color but you have such nice details that you are going to want to show those off. I agree that you should wait and see how the new bulbs change things before making a decision.
post #681 of 1224
Nice job Spaceman! Beautiful work around those electrical penetrations and on the panels in general.

I see what you mean with the hue of the paint being different. Did you have the paint store optically "zap" the real-life fabric sample? Most paint stores offer a 100% guarantee for color match. It sucks to repaint, but at least you wouldn't have to rebuy the paint. If I were you I would just wait until all the panels are in and the lighting is installed before making any decisions on addressing the ceiling paint. Just my two cents.
post #682 of 1224
Thread Starter 
I should have had them scan an actual fabric sample to get a custom color. Instead, I held the fabric up to their color cards and thought I found 2 colors that were "close enough". Wrong!

I need to test different bulbs this weekend to see if I can find one that gives a more accurate color representation of the fabric (dark and medium brown instead of purple and orange). I'd like to finish all of the panels first, but I'm trying to get Night Sky Murals scheduled to come in the next few weeks to add stars to the coffers. If I need to repaint the ceiling, it needs to happen soon. Jeff's trying to schedule his trip so he can do several murals in the area, so I don't want to cancel and get bumped off his schedule.
post #683 of 1224
Fabric panels look SWEET!!! Very well done Spaceman!
post #684 of 1224
yeah thats looking great
post #685 of 1224
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

I should have had them scan an actual fabric sample to get a custom color. Instead, I held the fabric up to their color cards and thought I found 2 colors that were "close enough". Wrong!

I'm glad when I read post 1000 (woo hoo!) that you had come to the same conclusion that I did looking at those photos... I didn't want to bring it up!

The good news is that the lighting will very likely have a dramatic effect on the colors - if you look at my thread the colors of the chairs under flashbulb are downright red, and the wall colors look completely different when the halogen worklights were on. But in the incandescent glow with the rope and cans, it all looks brown. I made sure the 'finished' photos I posted looked like the theater in real life. I still need to get some better shots, too.

That's a lot of panel progress! Here, though, let me jinx you - "I hope you ordered enough extra fabric in case you screw up a couple cuts". There. Now I'll never be invited. biggrin.gif

Jeff
Edited by jautor - 10/26/12 at 4:26pm
post #686 of 1224
Looks awesome man! Bummer on the color issue, i'd go with the other comments. Between the bacon race and your build, I will definitely be cautious about my paint colors, perhaps getting swatches scanned.
post #687 of 1224
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jautor View Post

I hope you ordered enough extra fabric in case you screw up a couple cuts.

I ordered 10% extra to cover screwed up cuts or future damage, but not both. Fingers crossed.
post #688 of 1224
Thread Starter 
Cleaned out the lighting department of both big box stores in preparation for weekend lighting trials. I'm sure there is something in here that will help bring the fabric back to it's "natural" color, but unless there are little elves with paint brushes hiding in the boxes, I think I'll be repainting the ceiling next week. Stay tuned for updates.
IMG_1097.jpg
post #689 of 1224
Have you considered LED bulbs? I used them exclusively because the halogens were generating too much heat even when considerably dimmed.
post #690 of 1224
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

I should have had them scan an actual fabric sample to get a custom color. Instead, I held the fabric up to their color cards and thought I found 2 colors that were "close enough". Wrong!

The exact same thing happened to me. You cant use paint cards with GOM to get color matches. I was very close, but it doesnt look the same since they reflect light differently. The computer at lowes or home depot (I forgot which) matched it correctly when I folded up a piece of fabric and put it in the sensor.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home