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post #871 of 1165
12/14/12 at 10:24am
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Don't forget that halogen 50PAR20's are not being made any more. So stock up if that's what you choose. They produce about 2800k light and there aren't any LEDs that bright and that warm in color that I have found. Well, there is one that HD carries that's close, but it is a 180 degree spread bulb. Not focused at all. If that works for you they are decent alternatives to 50PAR20's. The Other LED's will destroy your colors. That bluish light doesn't play nice with beige and browns.

Very good to know. Space has first hand experience with lighting issues.
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post #872 of 1165
12/14/12 at 11:21am
GetGray they do have soft light LEDs, and pure white LEDs, they cost a bit more but you can still produce the color that you want
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post #873 of 1165
12/17/12 at 8:33am
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Weekend progress. Screen is up!! PJ is mounted!! Receiver is in the middle of the room with a rats nest of speaker wires coming from the equipment closet!! Blu-ray player is propped up on a 6' step ladder next to the projector. Everything is working (at least enough for a quick little demo) and I'm ready to push forward to the finish line.

As much as I like the look of the Blu-ray sitting on top of the ladder (it screams DIY), I really need to get it relocated to the equipment closet, which means I need to replace the 3' HDMI cable with a 35' cable. Monoprice offers several, and I'm not really sure which of these would be best.

35ft 24AWG CL2 Standard HDMI® Cable - Black
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024005&p_id=2742&seq=1&format=2

35ft 24AWG CL2 Standard HDMI® Cable With Ethernet - Black
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1025005&p_id=6055&seq=1&format=2

35ft 22AWG CL2 Standard HDMI® Cable - Black
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024002&p_id=2805&seq=1&format=2

35ft 22AWG CL2 Standard HDMI® Cable With Ethernet - Black
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1025002&p_id=6059&seq=1&format=2

Will the jump from 24AWG to 22AWG provide any noticeable difference that would make spending the extra $10 worthwhile? I did notice that even at 22AWG, the 35' length of this particular cable is only rated at standard speed. Up to 25' gets the high speed rating. Do I need high speed cable? 3D isn't really important to me, but if it's recommended for other content/features, I'd consider getting it. If high-speed is recommended, would this be worth a $20 upgrade over one of the 4 mentioned above?

40ft Slim Series High Speed HDMI® Cable w/ RedMere® Technology
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1025501&p_id=9171&seq=1&format=2

Would HDMI with ethernet allow me to run a standard ethernet cable to the receiver and let the HDMI cable bring ethernet from the receiver to the projector? Does this function work on all models or would I need to check my receiver and or pj manuals to see if they even have ethernet sharing capability? (It would be the Denon 4311 communicating with a JVS RS45).

EDIT: Is it correct that of the 5 cables mentioned above, only the high-speed RedMere can transfer 1080P signals?
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post #874 of 1165
12/17/12 at 8:54am
I think most of my HDMI cables are considered "standard" but they still transmit a 1080P signal. Here is what I ran for my projector. Monoprice 30ft HDMI

I wanted to make sure that it handled 3D or anything else that I might want to run through it. Plus, with the smaller gauge wire it was extremely flexible whereas the 22GA. can be a pain to route if you have turns or a small area to work in. The heavier cable will also put undo strain on the input connectors of your equipment. I have only tested mine to make sure it works but I don't anticipate any issues.

I'm not sure about the ethernet. I ran two separate cat5e lines to my projector (one for ethernet and the other as a spare for emitters or whatnot).

We want pics!!
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post #875 of 1165
12/17/12 at 10:28am
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We want pics!!

Screen is up (115" wide 2.35:1 SeymourAV with Center Stage XD)


PJ is up (JVC RS45)








I may have cut things a little too close when calculating my conduit/mount location. I believe the manual recommends 5-6" of clearance behind the pj and I have 3". I'm going to monitor this for a bit before I decide to slide the mount forward.



Setup during initial testing. There is room for improvement.





First attempt at screen shots. Besides flipping the image after mounting the projector, all settings are out-of-the-box.





















Edited by Spaceman - 12/17/12 at 11:03am
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post #876 of 1165
12/17/12 at 10:32am

Everything I did was HIGH SPEED and for my few longs runs I used 22AWG.  I really don't think you should opt for Standard - spend a bit more and make sure you get the HIGH SPEED cables from Monoprice.

 

 

What VANICE bought was indeed high speed.

 

This is how Monoprice notes "standard speed"   - and you want more than this.

 

  • 720p/1080i Resolution - The Standard HDMI® Cable has sufficient bandwidth to transfer 720p/1080i video signals between 720p/1080i rated source and sink (display) devices.

 

Will a "standard" speed HDMI work....yes, maybe, no, etc....

 

Also if you need IN WALL - get the CL2 Rated

 

Plus, if you use the THICKER AWG - which are great for long runs...you will need a few misc. connectors like this....especially with how your PJ is mounted.

 

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10419&cs_id=1041913&p_id=7702&seq=1&format=2


Edited by toofast68 - 12/17/12 at 11:26am
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post #877 of 1165
12/17/12 at 11:17am
Look for the Blue Rigger cables at Amazon. They're CL2 rated for in-wall (if you need that) and High Speed. Bought a couple 25 footers for bedrooms and a 50' for the theater. Got my PJ and couple weeks ago and the cable works great with my PS3 straight to the PJ. Haven't gotten the AVR in the mix yet as the room is still a work in progress. (Carpet goes in tomorrow!)
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post #878 of 1165
12/17/12 at 12:03pm
I used the monoprice 40ft Premium 24AWG HDMI Standard Speed Male to Male Cables, tested before i ran them and seemed to work just fine.
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post #879 of 1165
12/17/12 at 12:09pm
Where did you get your mount? It looks similar to mine but I know the mounting holes are different on my JVC vs. yours.
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post #880 of 1165
12/17/12 at 12:27pm
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Where did you get your mount? It looks similar to mine but I know the mounting holes are different on my JVC vs. yours.

It's a Chief mount that I purchased from AVScience.
-5" Designer Ceiling Plate #CMA-101
-3" Fixed extension column #CMS-003
-RPA281 mount and SLB281 bracket

My invoice says that particular mount works on the JVCRS40/50/60 and RS45/55/65 series.
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post #881 of 1165
12/17/12 at 12:32pm
I would defintely suggest some of the 90 degree HDMI relief connectors that Monoprice sells if you decide to go with the heavy gauge HDMI. Based on my past experience with the heavy HDMI cables they sell it is really difficult to make it bend and in that small space you have behind the projector the cable most likely won't fit. The 90 degree relief connectors work pretty well but that would still be a lot of weight hanging on the JVC's HDMI input. Just my $0.02.

After seeing your pictures of the JVC I can't wait to break mine out of the box for the second time. Merry Christmas to me all over again! It looks like you have the same mount as me, the Chief RPA281 with the CMA-101 designer ceiling plate.

Edit: You beat me to it. So we do have the same mount.
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post #882 of 1165
12/17/12 at 12:48pm
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Good call on the 90 degree adapters. I just found them on the Monoprice site.

Our rooms are pretty similar. I almost went with the Jamestown screen too, but backed out at the last minute. Look forward to seeing your PJ & screen hanging soon.
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post #883 of 1165
12/17/12 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Good call on the 90 degree adapters. I just found them on the Monoprice site.
Our rooms are pretty similar. I almost went with the Jamestown screen too, but backed out at the last minute. Look forward to seeing your PJ & screen hanging soon.

Except for I'm missing that sweet ceiling detail you have. One projector/screen hanging per weekend. I call next weekend! tongue.gif
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post #884 of 1165
12/17/12 at 1:24pm
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Next weekend is all yours. I need to finish my Christmas shopping.wink.gif
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post #885 of 1165
12/17/12 at 2:18pm
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Will the jump from 24AWG to 22AWG provide any noticeable difference that would make spending the extra $10 worthwhile? I did notice that even at 22AWG, the 35' length of this particular cable is only rated at standard speed. Up to 25' gets the high speed rating. Do I need high speed cable? 3D isn't really important to me, but if it's recommended for other content/features, I'd consider getting it. If high-speed is recommended, would this be worth a $20 upgrade over one of the 4 mentioned above?

I spent more than that on the BlueJeans (30' I think) Series-1, and I have some difficulty at that distance. I'm still trying to get my Darblet functional (works on some sources, not others), and the times I tried 3D "just to see if it works", it hasn't. Today I'd go with the RedMere cable at those lengths, since they'll be tuned specifically for the cable length.
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Would HDMI with ethernet allow me to run a standard ethernet cable to the receiver and let the HDMI cable bring ethernet from the receiver to the projector? Does this function work on all models or would I need to check my receiver and or pj manuals to see if they even have ethernet sharing capability? (It would be the Denon 4311 communicating with a JVS RS45).

Yes it would, but both devices have to support it - my RS50 doesn't, I don't know if newer projectors support it (I doubt it).
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EDIT: Is it correct that of the 5 cables mentioned above, only the high-speed RedMere can transfer 1080P signals?

I think there's some limits in the HDMI spec / certification that prevents claims of 1080p/60 support over 25', but in practice with a good cable, it will work.

Is that a Middle Atlantic ladder??? biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Jeff
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post #886 of 1165
12/17/12 at 2:30pm
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Hey Jeff - I pulled the trigger on a 40' RedMere about 30 minutes ago (along with 100 zip ties and a 90 degree HDMI port saver, for good measure). Once they arrive, I should be able to put the "rack" back in the garage.
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post #887 of 1165
12/17/12 at 3:03pm
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Hey Jeff - I pulled the trigger on a 40' RedMere about 30 minutes ago (along with 100 zip ties and a 90 degree HDMI port saver, for good measure). Once they arrive, I should be able to put the "rack" back in the garage.

I could have given you a port saver or two... But the gallons of gas it would take to get it to you would be way more than the monoprice $$$!!! tongue.gif
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post #888 of 1165
12/17/12 at 3:12pm
Spaceman,

Looks like you are rounding the bend and coming down the final stretch to completing your HT. Keep up the good work!wink.gif

Cheers,

Jim
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post #889 of 1165
12/17/12 at 3:26pm
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I could have given you a port saver or two... But the gallons of gas it would take to get it to you would be way more than the monoprice $$$!!! tongue.gif

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Spaceman,
Looks like you are rounding the bend and coming down the final stretch to completing your HT. Keep up the good work!wink.gif
Cheers,
Jim
Thanks Jim. Still have a long list of little things, but I do believe it is the final stretch.
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post #890 of 1165
12/17/12 at 4:33pm
Wow, looks awesome from the pictures. Three questions:
-What do you think about the visibility of the screen weave?
-What's your throw distance?
-Did you get to play around with the 2:35 to 16:9 zooming features, RE: your earlier discussion about vertical shift, etc.?
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post #891 of 1165
12/17/12 at 4:55pm
You have to be over-the-moon excited to get video in the room. So....what's tonight's movie? And don't tell me you aren't going to watch one! biggrin.gif
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post #892 of 1165
12/17/12 at 5:03pm
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Wow, looks awesome from the pictures. Three questions:
-What do you think about the visibility of the screen weave?
-What's your throw distance?
-Did you get to play around with the 2:35 to 16:9 zooming features, RE: your earlier discussion about vertical shift, etc.?

For me screen weave is visible only on the brightest scenes from about 9' away. I'll be a little further back than that so it shouldn't be a problem.

The lens is 16' from the screen.

I have not tried saving the lens memory settings. I've only done the manual adjustments for zoom and vertical shift when changing aspect ratios. Unlike the Panasonic, both of these settings can be saved in memory on the JVC so I'm not anticipating any problems, but will report back after I have had more time to play with it.
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post #893 of 1165
12/17/12 at 5:18pm
Space,

Any chance you can take some ESPN HD Screen shots of a game going on?
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post #894 of 1165
12/17/12 at 5:48pm
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Unfortunately, I don't have cable run to the room yet, but I will certainly do that once it is up and running.
Edited by Spaceman - 12/17/12 at 6:00pm
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post #895 of 1165
12/17/12 at 8:52pm
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

You have to be over-the-moon excited to get video in the room. So....what's tonight's movie? And don't tell me you aren't going to watch one! biggrin.gif

I'm very excited!! Lots of things to finish and tweak though. We've watched 10 minutes here and there of a few different movies, but I'm really trying to button everything up before watching a full one (that is until I move the chairs in...then all bets are off).wink.gif
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post #896 of 1165
12/18/12 at 1:37am
It's up spaceman let the fun begin


Are you getting any light spill on the ceiling or to the side walls by any chance? My ceiling is black and light it spilling into it
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post #897 of 1165
12/18/12 at 6:20am
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It's up spaceman let the fun begin
Are you getting any light spill on the ceiling or to the side walls by any chance? My ceiling is black and light it spilling into it

I am, but it's not enough to be distracting. The bottom of the front soffit is a little more reflective because I used flat enamel instead of a true flat, but so far it hasn't really bothered me. Perhaps I will notice it more once my viewing becomes more critical. I'm still in the phase of staring at the screen with my jaw on the floor, so I'm not really noticing much of what's going on around me.smile.gif

If your room is like mine, you are going to get light spill simply because the screen is so close to the ceiling and walls. You just need to minimize the reflections in those areas as best you can. Unless you painted your ceiling with gloss black, you're doing a pretty good job of controlling reflections. Yes, you can still see it, but it's much better than a white ceiling. Your only option to improve it might be to cover the area closest to the screen with a black velvet panel. If the bottom of my soffit becomes a distraction over time, I plan to cover it with velvet.
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post #898 of 1165
12/18/12 at 12:03pm
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It's a Chief mount that I purchased from AVScience.
-5" Designer Ceiling Plate #CMA-101
-3" Fixed extension column #CMS-003
-RPA281 mount and SLB281 bracket
My invoice says that particular mount works on the JVCRS40/50/60 and RS45/55/65 series.


Which is the piece that connects to the projector, is that the SLB281? It looks like I would only need to buy that piece and then I could make my current mount work with a new JVC. Any idea if these years JVC's use the same mounting hole pattern as the one you have?
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post #899 of 1165
12/18/12 at 12:54pm
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Yes, the SLB281 is the large plate that connects directly to the projector. The RPA281 mount slides onto the 6 thumb screws projecting out of this plate.

Not sure if it would work with the new JVCs. Mike Garrett with AVScience picked all the appropriate pieces for me. He would know what you need.

Mike@avscience.com
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post #900 of 1165
12/18/12 at 4:36pm
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Electrical question

I am installing a 20A receptacle in my equipment closet. Unlike the 15A receptacles, the 20A receptacle has free floating metal plates on the back side of each screw. Does the wire get wrapped around the terminal screw over this plate (with the plate against the side of the receptacle) or am I supposed to loop the wire under the plate so the plate acts as a clamp? I don't see how I would loop it under, but thought I'd ask since I've never seen these little plates before (or never paid attention to them).

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