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post #961 of 1224
Wow!! I guess I somehow missed your thread the past couple of days. I just saw the picture with the seats in the room. What a transition. Your theater turned out great. I have some catching up to do.

Looks like you will be able to enjoy it over the holidays. Have fun.
post #962 of 1224
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Thanks and screw spaceman and his ceiling.
Jealous frown.gif lol

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post #963 of 1224
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Wow!! I guess I somehow missed your thread the past couple of days. I just saw the picture with the seats in the room. What a transition. Your theater turned out great. I have some catching up to do.
Looks like you will be able to enjoy it over the holidays. Have fun.

Thanks, Nick. So far, we have watched The Polar Express (DVD) and Hugo (Blu-ray). On Christmas Eve, we will have the rest of the family over for either a 2nd showing of The Polar Express (picked up the Blu-ray last night as I wasn't happy with the DVD quality) or maybe Arthur Christmas.

The highlight of my night was during Hugo, when my 11 year old son said that he couldn't believe that we went from a plain media room with boring white walls to "THIS!". My boys love it so much, they actually wanted to sit in while I went through the THX Optimizer and started familiarizing myself with the Denon's on-screen menus. I guess this would be a good time to thank everyone for taking the time to answer all of my dumb questions and for going the extra mile documenting their own builds. Without all of the guidance, assurances, and virtual "high-fives", I'd still be watching movies in that "plain media room with boring white walls". Thank you!!

Merry Christmas,
Spaceman
Edited by Spaceman - 12/23/12 at 8:48pm
post #964 of 1224
Merry Xmas spaceman and to your family.
post #965 of 1224
Great work Spaceman. I can't wait to see the finishing touches that you put on the room.

Enjoy your space and have a Merry Christmas!
post #966 of 1224
Really love how your theater looks. Those chairs look very comfy! I'm sure you posted it before, but I'm lazy on Christmas Eve. wink.gif What chairs are those?

Have a very Merry Christmas!
post #967 of 1224
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Merry Christmas to you, GWCR. The chairs are Berkline 13175s and they are very comfy. I've fallen asleep twice so far while listening to music and staring at the stars. If the kids were a little older and less likely to spill stuff, I would have preferred a microfiber cloth, but the leather is nice and makes clean up easy.
post #968 of 1224
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Thanks, Nick. So far, we have watched The Polar Express (DVD) and Hugo (Blu-ray). On Christmas Eve, we will have the rest of the family over for either a 2nd showing of The Polar Express (picked up the Blu-ray last night as I wasn't happy with the DVD quality) or maybe Arthur Christmas.
The highlight of my night was during Hugo, when my 11 year old son said that he couldn't believe that we went from a plain media room with boring white walls to "THIS!". My boys love it so much, they actually wanted to sit in while I went through the THX Optimizer and started familiarizing myself with the Denon's on-screen menus. I guess this would be a good time to thank everyone for taking the time to answer all of my dumb questions and for going the extra mile documenting their own builds. Without all of the guidance, assurances, and virtual "high-fives", I'd still be watching movies in that "plain media room with boring white walls". Thank you!!
Merry Christmas,
Spaceman

Catching up with your thread over the last few weeks of posts this is the one that I was looking for... The one with all of the excitement that was gained by your hard work in this endeavor. Very glad to see that you and your family are enjoying your new home theater. By the way the room looks great, you should be very proud of all of your hard work. Nicely done!biggrin.gif

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I actually emailed him last night. Do you recall which level of calibration you had performed? He recommended the basic calibration, which includes the following:
Basic calibration:
Recommended for any home theater system with a Denon, Integra, Marantz, Onkyo or Pioneer surround system. Includes full ISF calibration of a video display, video sources ISFccc calibration if desired, limited audio/video equipment purchase advice before and after the service and a basic audio calibration. The audio service includes verifying the wiring, adjusting channel levels, speaker alignment, speaker timing, subwoofer settings, subwoofer phase, crossover optimization and manual equalization of speakers. Includes detailed report in pdf format of before and after measurements, source settings, receiver/processor settings, subwoofer settings and display settings. 3D mode optimization. Excludes CRT projection which requires a custom quote and home theater computer setup.
For an extra $50, he said he could perform the Superior calibration, which is recommended for someone who wants more information on audio performance and has a surround system without all channel parametric equalization. Includes everything in the basic calibration and adds manual parametric equalization of subwoofer, room acoustical analysis and documentation of the changes to the frequency response. I'm not really sure what most of that means or if it's worth an extra $50. What exactly is parametric equalization?

For what ever it is worth I had Jeff calibrate my HT and I was very happy with the end results. Money well spent!
post #969 of 1224
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Catching up with your thread over the last few weeks of posts this is the one that I was looking for... The one with all of the excitement that was gained by your hard work in this endeavor. Very glad to see that you and your family are enjoying your new home theater. By the way the room looks great, you should be very proud of all of your hard work. Nicely done!biggrin.gif

Thanks, Jim. Hope to have you and other Houston AVS members over when I no longer have light switches hanging out of columns and panels missing from the walls. If you're lucky, I might even put some hardware on the entry door so light doesn't spill through the door knob hole. wink.gif
post #970 of 1224
Spaceman,
What is your sweet spot? First row or second? How is your speaker height working out?
post #971 of 1224
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I prefer the front row for acoustics. It has a better surround experience than the back row simply because there is more room between the front row and the rear surrounds. The back row is a little too close to the back wall to be considered prime seating, but it's still enjoyable back there. The bass is not as strong in the front seats, but that row is pretty much at the midpoint of the room, so that was expected. I wouldn't say it's dead, just not as strong as the back row. If you prefer your seats to shake a little, the back row is the spot, since the sub sits on the riser directly behind the back row. It is a little boomy however, so I'm perfectly happy in the front row for acoustics.

The visual sweet spot really depends on the material. Eyeballs in the front row are 9'-6" from the screen. Back row eyeballs are around 16' back. My first choice for screen size was 110" wide, but the wife talked me into 115". She prefers a more immersive experience than I do, so she has no trouble in the front row. For 16:9 content, I'm fine with either row. For 2.35 content that does not have a lot of quick panning or shaky camera work, the front row is fine. If the camera work is shaky, I retreat to the back row, where the image is still plenty big for my taste. So to answer your initial question, the middle seat of the front row is probably the visual sweet spot as well, depending on the content. If my math is correct, I wound up with the following horizontal viewing angles:

Horizontal viewing angle from front row:
16:9 content - 42 degrees
2.35 content - 54 degrees

Horizontal viewing angle from back row:
16:9 content - 26 degrees
2.35 content - 34 degrees

Speaker heights seem to be working just fine. I'm very happy with the fronts. Dialog is very clear in both rows and pans from side to side sound great, even with my reduced separation. I believe L & R speakers wound up being just over 8' apart. The tweeter for all 3 LCRs is about 52" above the floor, which puts it about half way between seated ear height of the front and back rows. The center of the surround speakers is roughly 6' off the main floor (5' off the riser), which is also about 2'-4" above seated ear height of the front row. Not sure how ideal any of those numbers are, but they seem to sound pretty darn good.
Edited by Spaceman - 12/28/12 at 8:44pm
post #972 of 1224
Wow awesome Spaceman and thanks for the great information. This thread has been a huge inspiration for my design.

Quick question, did you use 2x10s for your stage? - Nevermind, I just found the post where you indicated height.
Edited by ScAndal - 12/29/12 at 1:14pm
post #973 of 1224
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My big idea of running blue rope light around the back side of the screen frame to highlight my speakers fizzled out. It simply wasn't bright enough. I got a very dim glow where the screen meets the frame, but that was about it. So today, while wandering around everyone's favorite Swedish store, I found these and thought I would give them a try. The fixture was $7 and the bulb was $10.











Not bad for $50. I should have grabbed a few more bulbs though since I haven't been able to find many online. I was hoping I could track down some blue ones.
post #974 of 1224
Great idea! Blue bulbs would look sweet. Did you try mounting on the other side of the 2x4? You may be able to bend the neck a little more and get the bottom part of the speaker in (if you care smile.gif ). Everything came out great! I'm slowly making some progress now.

Bud
post #975 of 1224
Nice result on the Ikea speaker lighting! I was monkeying around behind my screen yesterday, and was trying to see how such lighting would work, using a flashlight temporarily, but couldn't get any good effect. May have to try your approach.
post #976 of 1224
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Hey Bud - I'm thinking about adding some additional blocking under the 1x4 that's shown so I can mount them lower. The neck is a little longer than I'd like but I can't bend it any more without poking the back of the screen. I'll play around with them tonight. I did see the progress you made on the rack area. Very nice. I was perfectly happy watching your landscape project as well. smile.gif

If anyone has a source for R14 Reflector-style LEDs with an E17 base, let me know. If they make them in blue, even better.
post #977 of 1224
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Nice result on the Ikea speaker lighting! I was monkeying around behind my screen yesterday, and was trying to see how such lighting would work, using a flashlight temporarily, but couldn't get any good effect. May have to try your approach.

It would be much easier if I had a little extra room behind my screen. It's so shallow back there, I'm forced to put the lighting pretty much right under the speaker, which creates some nasty shadows and reflections. I'd love to pull the fixture away from the speaker a bit but I just don't have the room. I'm pretty sure I can come up with something that works but I still have some tweaking to do.

Another fixture I almost bought was made to clip on the top of a picture frame. I was going to either mount it above or below the speaker. It was a fairly bright LED, but I wasn't quite sure if it would stick out too far and poke the back of my screen, so I passed. Might be an option for you or others. Here's a pic.


Edited by Spaceman - 12/29/12 at 7:08pm
post #978 of 1224
I'm in the same boat, I built quite deep LCRs, so not much space to work with between speaker face and screen.
post #979 of 1224
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I've got the same issue, in fact my gap is a little bigger - and it has been a trip hazard, fortunately no injuries yet, but I do need to do something about it. I've thought about building narrow side tables with small subwoofers (Anarchy) in them, not sure though.

Did you get your gap fixed? I saw this in the March 2011 issue of Home Theater Magazine:



(I am a little behind in my HT Mag reading... )

I am not sure if I like it or if it is distracting.

I like your new lights!
post #980 of 1224
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Still have the gap. I pulled the front seats apart a bit and got the gap down to 2" or a little less. I think it will be fine. I'm more worried about getting the step lights working. In the week we've been watching movies, my oldest son stumbled up the steps and my wife stumbled down. For those considering skipping step lights, I'd advise against it.
post #981 of 1224
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I edited my 1st post to include some before & after pics, existing & proposed floor plans, a room summary including overall dimensions, color schedule, acoustic treatment plan & equipment summary. I also have links to a complete cost breakdown in both Excel and pdf formats as well as a build timeline/index with links.
Edited by Spaceman - 1/1/13 at 10:47pm
post #982 of 1224
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...I also have links to a complete cost breakdown in both Excel and pdf formats...

eek.gif I am purposely not looking at or keeping my receipts from all the various places I’ve ordered from or bought from. I truly don’t want to know what I’m spending and when I tell the wife I don’t know I won’t be lying. wink.gif
post #983 of 1224
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Smart move. My wife knows I research everything before purchasing and am always looking for the best bang for our buck, so she doesn't worry about it too much. I probably spent a little more than I had to by using HD as my primary source, but many stops there were out of convenience (on the way home from soccer games or practices, on weekends, late at night, etc.). Figuring out my entire lumber order or electrical order before hand and going to a local lumber yard or supply house would have saved me some coin, but I liked the convenience of being able to buy what I needed when I needed it and being able to easily return it.

I'm currently a few hundred bucks under budget and am close to the finish line, so I should end up close enough to make everyone happy. Plus, since I started making some of the bigger purchases in 2010, the final number is easier to swallow when I divide it over three years. At least that's what I tell myself. smile.gif
post #984 of 1224
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Figuring out my entire lumber order or electrical order before hand and going to a local lumber yard or supply house would have saved me some coin, but I liked the convenience of being able to buy what I needed when I needed it and being able to easily return it.

It's not an honest DIY project unless you've made three trips to Home Depot.
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I'm currently a few hundred bucks under budget and am close to the finish line, so I should end up close enough to make everyone happy. Plus, since I started making some of the bigger purchases in 2010, the final number is easier to swallow when I divide it over three years. At least that's what I tell myself. smile.gif

Now THAT was a detailed spreadsheet!!! eek.gifeek.gif Makes my "major line items plus totals from Home Depot receipts" look totally inadequate! biggrin.gif

From doing some apples-to-apples line item (at the category level) comparisons to my own build, which was only partially DIY (I did electrical, A/V and the overall layout/design work), I think you saved around $18-20k by doing it yourself completely. I've estimated I saved about that much again from a "call a pro and write one check", to give folks a comparison (in the same labor/metro market).

Now, the real question is, since you've proved yourself to be a good record-keeper: If you had paid yourself, what did your hourly rate end up being? biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

Awaiting the invite to the public opening...

Jeff
post #985 of 1224
Space,

Fantastic job on editing your original post to include timelines, links, equipment, costs, etc.!

I’m glad to see I’m not the only person who keeps track of every expense on a spreadsheet.

I just spent about 10 minutes going through your expense sheet; excellent work and very well laid out!
post #986 of 1224
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It's not an honest DIY project unless you've made three trips to Home Depot.
Now THAT was a detailed spreadsheet!!! eek.gifeek.gif Makes my "major line items plus totals from Home Depot receipts" look totally inadequate! biggrin.gif
From doing some apples-to-apples line item (at the category level) comparisons to my own build, which was only partially DIY (I did electrical, A/V and the overall layout/design work), I think you saved around $18-20k by doing it yourself completely. I've estimated I saved about that much again from a "call a pro and write one check", to give folks a comparison (in the same labor/metro market).
Now, the real question is, since you've proved yourself to be a good record-keeper: If you had paid yourself, what did your hourly rate end up being? biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
Awaiting the invite to the public opening...
Jeff

Jeez if I am counting my own time vs. the amout I expect to save I would guess I am paying myself $0.04 an hour

The problem is I wouldn't be able to afford the extra $20K so it is either my time or no theater tongue.gif
post #987 of 1224
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

I probably spent a little more than I had to by using HD as my primary source, but many stops there were out of convenience (on the way home from soccer games or practices, on weekends, late at night, etc.). Figuring out my entire lumber order or electrical order before hand and going to a local lumber yard or supply house would have saved me some coin, but I liked the convenience of being able to buy what I needed when I needed it and being able to easily return it.

I make my bulk purchases at the local lumber yards but for all the other items I just got to HD and Lowes. I have a total of at least 10 HDs or Lowes within 10-15 miles so the convenience is just too good...plus the lumber yards usually shut their doors at 5PM and 12PM on the weekends so not too good for the DIYer
post #988 of 1224
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

It's not an honest DIY project unless you've made three trips to Home Depot.
Most of my build included making 3 trips each day.
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Originally Posted by jautor View Post

I think you saved around $18-20k by doing it yourself completely.
Now, the real question is, since you've proved yourself to be a good record-keeper: If you had paid yourself, what did your hourly rate end up being? biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
Yeah, I figured at least an $18k savings by doing it myself. However, I would have fired myself long before paying myself since it took 2 years just to finish the design.
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Awaiting the invite to the public opening...
You'll be the first to get one, once I make my way through the final punch list (included here for my benefit since I haven't written it down anywhere).

Room:
1. build and wrap 12 more fabric panels, including swinging panel on equipment rack column
2. wrap 6 panels already built for false wall
3. install Insteon gear (2 dimmers, 2 switches, dimmable outlet and keypad)
4. fabricate, paint & install door threshold
5. install door hardware
6. design & install trim/casing on game room side of entry door
7. build mini-riser under rear seats

Equipment Closet:
1. prime & paint walls & ceiling
2. paint baseboard
3. install can light trim/bulbs
4. install light switch
5. install permanent shelves for av equipment
6. install ir receiver kit
7. wire management

Media Closet:
1. prime & paint walls & ceiling
2. install & stock bookcases
3. reinstall & paint baseboard
3. install can light trim/bulbs
4. install light switch

Game room:
1. reinstall baseboard
2. prime & paint shared wall with theater
3. install plasma tv & (2) movie posters on shared wall with theater
Edited by Spaceman - 1/22/13 at 5:08am
post #989 of 1224
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Space,
Fantastic job on editing your original post to include timelines, links, equipment, costs, etc.!
I’m glad to see I’m not the only person who keeps track of every expense on a spreadsheet.
I just spent about 10 minutes going through your expense sheet; excellent work and very well laid out!
Thanks, Larry. Spreadsheets are great at keeping my OCD in check. Dollars and cents aside, it actually became very interesting to see just how much "stuff" goes into one of these rooms. I thought it would be useful for someone just starting their planning/budgeting to see every single item. It will either get them excited or send them crying to their mommy. smile.gif
post #990 of 1224
I was amazed when I saw your spreadsheet, I was thinking how did you get this so detailed before even starting.. Then I realized it was a list that you made as you went smile.gif I am sure it will help many people realize just how much it will cost. And makes me realize how many more years I have to wait frown.gif
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