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post #481 of 701
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Originally Posted by silver700 View Post

I just read a review of the c3x lumis where the reviewer states that there is a pause of up to 6 secs. between changing sources (ie dvd, bluray, satellite, ect..) AND when just changing channels from the same source (ie going from CNN hd to TNT hd). I wonder if that is an issue with all sim2 projectors, specifically the mico 50. I would really hate there being a black screen and having to wait a few seconds for the projector to catch up with my at&t uverse hd when I am just changing channels. I don't mind it when I am going from my blu-ray to my uverse, just not when i am changing channels. Maybe I am misunderstanding what he is explaining, I don't know, but that would be a real big drawback for me. I was pretty much set on upgrading to the mico 50. Here is the link in case anybody wants to read it. Sorry for posting a review of the c3x here in the mico 50 thread, but I just wondered if this was something that the mico 50 did as well. http://hometheaterreview.com/sim2-c3...ector-reviewed

I did not notice such a lengthy pause on the MICO50 when going through the channels with a satellite feed.
post #482 of 701
The reviewer made it clear this was only with format changes ie HD/SD etc. If you are using an HD box that is configured to output a constant resolution, channel changes are instant.

Also, if you are using a receiver/processor that you configure to output a constant resolution, you wont encounter this with any media

Its simply that when selecting different resolutions, frame rates etc, Sim2 machines select different discrete processing modes that are specific to that format. The machines then reconfigure themselves to suit that input format.

Its a non issue
post #483 of 701
Thanks hrd and coldmachine, that is a relief. I thought that's what the reviewer meant, I just wanted to be sure. If I'm going to chunk down that much to upgrade, I want to be sure of everything.
post #484 of 701
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post #485 of 701
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Originally Posted by silver700 View Post

Thanks hrd and coldmachine, that is a relief. I thought that's what the reviewer meant, I just wanted to be sure. If I'm going to chunk down that much to upgrade, I want to be sure of everything.

Does your local dealer have a MICO50 on display so that you could have a demo?
post #486 of 701
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

How about the Mico50 and a Dalite Hipower screen?

Thank you Noah for the suggestion. However, after thinking it over for the last couple of days and between the dealer's "the Mico50 is a great machine for a 1-chip DLP but a three-chip is a three-chip is a three-chip" and my wife's "whatever you get, it will stay put for at least the next 10 years", I decided to go for the C3X1080 if not the non-HOST Lumis proper.

PS. The dealer broke open another C3X1080 box and we checked it for the red sparkles bug and it didn't have it. Unlike the other unit, this one had "C3X1080" written at its front instead of just "C3X".
post #487 of 701
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Originally Posted by barrakmf View Post

but a three-chip is a three-chip is a three-chip".

I hope that wasn't the argument that convinced you.
either way, congrats!
post #488 of 701
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Originally Posted by Kamus View Post

I hope that wasn't the argument that convinced you.
either way, congrats!

You make me sound like the average Joe who would agonize and haggle to death over a $10K car only to accept blindly a $2K sat-nav "upgrade" the reptilian dealer throws at him just before signing on the dotted line :-)

The actual deciding factor really was my desire to go all the way to the maximum 13' wide (16:9) screen that my HT could accomodate, with unity gain, instead of limiting myself to 8-9' with a Mico50. Reading all 47 pages of the Lumis thread (as well as the C3X1080 and Mico50 threads) gave some perspective too.

The out of character egging on from my wife played a role too.

And yet, I spent a coupe of hours at the SIM2 dealer on the evening of February 14th! How thick can you get?
post #489 of 701
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Originally Posted by barrakmf View Post

You make me sound like the average Joe who would agonize and haggle to death over a $10K car only to accept blindly a $2K sat-nav "upgrade" the reptilian dealer throws at him just before signing on the dotted line

Don't get me wrong. I know you can't really go wrong with either of these.

And if what you wanted was to light up a really big screen then the choice was obvious. Again, congrats! ^_^
post #490 of 701
barrakmf,

Looking at two c3x1080s, I would choose the one with the better panel convergence and then if needed, have the dealer send it in to get the red sparklies fixed. Ultimate solution though, if your wife would allow, would pay the extra $$$ for a Lumis. As you know by reading through the thread, it has the higher lumen output that you'll need for a 13' unity gain wide (16:9) screen.

Paul
post #491 of 701
barrakmf - FWIW, I have a 12.5' wide Scope screen with a C3X1080 and love it!

Regarding the red sparkle bug (my first one had it), not that the dealer wouldn't know this, but make sure it's on 1080p60 and the sharpness is up to atleast half way, all the way up would be better for the test. If you don't see in dark scenes, Dark Knight is a good BD to try for this, then you should be good to go. I'd also check the convergence like Paul suggested.

It's a great projector!
post #492 of 701
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Originally Posted by waterm3732 View Post

barrakmf,

Looking at two c3x1080s, I would choose the one with the better panel convergence and then if needed, have the dealer send it in to get the red sparklies fixed. Ultimate solution though, if your wife would allow, would pay the extra $$$ for a Lumis. As you know by reading through the thread, it has the higher lumen output that you'll need for a 13' unity gain wide (16:9) screen.

Paul

Thanks Paul (and Shawn) for the advice. Once however we realized that the already reasonable prices quoted to us included the ceiling mount, a Furman power conditioner, a 180" Grandview screen (the only screen brand the dealer carried), with cabling and installation of the whole package, we decided on the spot to go for the brighter Lumis. I based my conservative light projection calculations on middle-aged lamps producing 750 and 1300 lumens from the C3X1080 and Lumis, respectively.

Once our mind was made, the dealer moved quickly and loaded an unboxed Lumis and a Furman into my SUV without waiting for my payment (in fact, he insisted on getting paid only after the installation is completed and we're fully satisfied with the results!). The screen arrived the next morning, followed an hour later by the dealer for a site survey.
post #493 of 701
Does anyone know if the next generation of LED projectors from Sim2 will be smaller than this one ?
post #494 of 701
Saw a demo of the Sim2 mico 50 today with the Dark Knight blu-ray. After the helicopter fly-by of tall buildings moire patterns are clearly seen on a building in the center of the shot. I guess the video processing with moving scenes is not that great. Unfortunate for a $25K unit. Has anyone else seen that?
Would an outboard video processor correct that??
post #495 of 701
Hmm, even US list is 5 bucks short of $20K, so some-one is trying con you out of an additional $7.5K or so.
post #496 of 701
Could be improper setup of resolution or somesuch.

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Originally Posted by nhey View Post

Saw a demo of the Sim2 mico 50 today with the Dark Knight blu-ray. After the helicopter fly-by of tall buildings moire patterns are clearly seen on a building in the center of the shot. I guess the video processing with moving scenes is not that great. Unfortunate for a $25K unit. Has anyone else seen that?
Would an outboard video processor correct that??
post #497 of 701
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Originally Posted by nhey View Post

Saw a demo of the Sim2 mico 50 today with the Dark Knight blu-ray. After the helicopter fly-by of tall buildings moire patterns are clearly seen on a building in the center of the shot. I guess the video processing with moving scenes is not that great. Unfortunate for a $25K unit. Has anyone else seen that?
Would an outboard video processor correct that??

Im with Noah here.I suspect that there is a set-up issue. Res, incorrect use of the manual scaling, sharpness, keystone etc cam all lead to pattern interference.

I used the usual test materials, Spears and Munsil, DVE, sigle pixel patterns etc as well as normal viewing, with absolutely no issue at all.

Depending on exactly what you saw, it may be something in the source.

Can you give more details of the where that scene is and I'll try to have a look.
post #498 of 701
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

Im with Noah here.I suspect that there is a set-up issue. Res, incorrect use of the manual scaling, sharpness, keystone etc cam all lead to pattern interference.

I used the usual test materials, Spears and Munsil, DVE, sigle pixel patterns etc as well as normal viewing, with absolutely no issue at all.

Depending on exactly what you saw, it may be something in the source.

Can you give more details of the where that scene is and I'll try to have a look.

DarK Knight Helicopter fly over 31 mins in......
post #499 of 701
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Originally Posted by donaldk View Post

Hmm, even US list is 5 bucks short of $20K, so some-one is trying con you out of an additional $7.5K or so.


Actually, the current list price in the U.S. is $21,995. There was a price increase on 1/1/10. (But that $25K is still out of line.)


Jim
post #500 of 701
Thread Starter 
moire is typically a screen issue, not a projector problem
post #501 of 701
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

moire is typically a screen issue, not a projector problem

Its easy to cause an interference pattern on a PJ with an idiotic set up. Sources easily can do it too.

Have them both incorrectly set and its buttplug-a-palooza all over that screen.

I will have an answer up very soon for that scene and the Mico. Im pretty sure there will be no issue at all.
post #502 of 701
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Originally Posted by nhey View Post

Saw a demo of the Sim2 mico 50 today with the Dark Knight blu-ray. After the helicopter fly-by of tall buildings moire patterns are clearly seen on a building in the center of the shot. I guess the video processing with moving scenes is not that great. Unfortunate for a $25K unit. Has anyone else seen that?
Would an outboard video processor correct that??

Just ran the scene in question, repeatedly, on the Mico and a Lumis. No issues whatsoever.
post #503 of 701
"moire is typically a screen issue, not a projector problem"

Maybe for AT screens.

Before the competent video processing we have today it was very common.
post #504 of 701
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

moire is typically a screen issue, not a projector problem

Oh so "thats a moire"? Sorry, but I couldn't resist.
post #505 of 701
I got my first look at the Mico yesterday and unfortunately the presentation was sub par. Based on your own impressions, the unit I saw was certainly not representative of what the Mico 50 is capable of.

The pre-production example had several apparent firmware issues and even though it was being shown in a worse case scenario room (white walls & ceiling) it was decidedly dim on the 8ft 1.78 screen. Something was wrong with this particular Mico I feel. Attempts were made to improve the set-up but several menu options would keep reverting back to default settings.

Couldn't get much info on the bigger Mico 60, but it is assumed to have a higher lumen output.

The Mico 50 chassis is beautiful. I think I'd still want the Mico 50 in a hush box as the buzzing sound it makes was intrusive in the small room we were in.

Hope to get a a look at a better example in the future.

Sean
post #506 of 701
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Originally Posted by coldmachine View Post

1. Not sure why you quoted my post in reference to this. It was specifically regarding interference patterns.

2. Not sure why you are referencing a problematic pre-production unit when the full spec units have been out for a while.

3. It also sounds like your dealer may not understand the memory management and failed to store any updated settings correctly. Its designed with a few steps to ensure that memory changes are conscious decisions. When it next sees "signal type" info it will revert to the fully stored state. Its a common mistake, and reminds me of the PMs Ive gotten from people who cant get their Sim2 unit to power up.

Hope this helps

1. I am sorry. I have removed your quote from my post.

2. It was the unit I saw and the one that Sim is showing to dealers with a hope they will order the unit. I stated that I did not think it was necessarily representative of the Mico 50's performance.

3. The demo was set-up by a Sim employee and it was assumed that he was familiar with the unit.
post #507 of 701
Sean, I just re-read my reply and it reads rather harshly, that wasn't the intent. I've deleted it.
post #508 of 701
Speaking of powering up, is anyone having problems with their unit locking up, during the power up sequence. I am finding that, once again, it is a Sim2 HDMI issue. As long as I power up on a component input, I don't run into this problem, but some times, when I power up to HDMI, it locks up on the splash screen. Fortunately, one of the advantages with LED is I can power down immediately, and power back up via component, without waiting for a cool down.

I believe this is related to the HDMI synch issues, that I have experienced with Sim2 before, as it also, frequently locks up when changing HDMI input sources.
post #509 of 701
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Originally Posted by sierraalphahotel View Post

Couldn't get much info on the bigger Mico 60, but it is assumed to have a higher lumen output.

What Mico 60?
My dealer is also still waiting for non-beta units. Sim2 is not willing to put the Mico 50 with its current firmware against the Runco which is what I asked them to do, so the waiting continues.

They said a new firmware is around the corner. Will call them again tomorrow, see what they have to say this time.
post #510 of 701
Thread Starter 
Everyone is still in a learning curve with the MICO50. I'm discovering setting improvements on mine all the time. For example I was getting a strange artifact on corrugated surfaces which I attributed to the processing. However, when I changed the LTI and CTI filter settings both to "off", it went away. If the primaries, white point and gamma settings are not properly dialed in, you'll also be disappointed. I was even crushing the blacks until I realized brightness and contrast were not in proper balance...something fairly basic but which needs to be re-checked from time to time.
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