Sony XBR9 or Panasonic V10?

Burn-In can occur if you really go out of your way to do it. Frankly it is a non-issue unless you use your TV as picture frame and leave the same picture on there for a week or two.

Image retention on the other hand can occur but it is a temporary affect that usually doesn't happen after the initial several hundred hours of usage. Typically in the first bit of ownership a plasma may exhibit a bit of IR but it should dissipate within a few minutes.


Personally I still prefer a plasma but if you are fully satisfied with your XBR currently, don't sweat it, just keep it. However, even though I think a working XBR can have a nice picture for an LCD I feel that the V10 will have the better picture.

If you can buy a V10 for a week and see which one you like the best.

Best Regards
KvE

I just got my 65V10 for my theater room and I can tell you I love it. I've had Sony lcd projection, and I have an lcd panel in my living room. They don't come close! If you're just "pleased for the most part" with your Sony, then you need to try the V10.

Just be careful with it for the first 100 hrs or so, and you'll be fine. During the break-in avoid 4:3 / letterbox content and stations with bright logos in the corners, keep the brightness and contrast down to reasonable levels (No Vivid), and limit time on video games.

Many people have been scared so to speak about plasma but over the past year Panasonic has really made consumers feel comfortable with buying Plasmas again. The V10 series is like the best of the best....most people comparing this plasma series to the once beloved Pioneer elite series. The v10 is nothing short of amazing.

V10 is a great TV, but I would not say its like the best of the best. And th Pioneer is not "once beloved" it is still...

Pioneer is no longer your "best bang for the buck". you are living in the past.
if you snooze you loose.... I snoozed and missed out on the great Pioneer plasma deals.

so I will continue to buy and return until I find something I like.
this is like a free rental from 30 to 90 days. I like to take full advantage of the return policy until I find something that I can live with. Maybe 2010 will be the year!

but I have also considered a projector with a 102" screen.
in my opinion... this will give you more entertainment and bang for the buck than any Plasma 65" or less.

This is only if you are willing to give up an incredible amount of picture quality!

give me a break.... it all depends on the Projector, screen, etc...

I guess your knowledge about projectors is poor.

but then again... I am no expert..... maybe an expert may comment?

AE4000U versus a Kuro Elite 9G? or a Panny V Plasma?

Panasonic V10 hands down between the two.

so I guess you would have to get a projector over 5 grand to get something that would compare to the best Plasma TV's?

like a JVC or a Marantz, etc......

P.S. I am talking about image quality... because we all know that for some people... the large screen size would make up for image quality.

i am an LCD fan and enjoy the image, colors, sharpness, and processing that sony offers, but the xbr9 will not offer a comparative image to the panasonic, especially in black level performance. You would have to get a local dimming LED LCD to compete with that TV, and it would probably cost a fair amount more (especially a sony or samsung local dimming TV).

You admit to not being an expert, have no reviews to back you up, and slam my knowledge... OK!!!!

I am only going around the reviews I have read regarding other projectors. I also saw a post on this site where someone stated that if they had realized the picture quality was so much better, they would have gone from a projector to the 65V10 earlier.

You are right, some do prefer size to quality. So be it, I only stated an opinion. There is also more than the projector as well as you need a good quality screen. I personally saw a 135" setup that was not low end (don't remember the models) and it still wasn't close to the 65V10 in picture quality.

I have a 65V10 with around 200 hours on it. Ran some burn in disks (about 80 hours) in the beginning between actually watching the TV. No image retention, no burn in, no buzzing, low heat, absolutley amazing picture. There is a great settings thread on this site. I will be getting it calibrated though sometime around April. This is my first HD TV and really like it.

hey.... you are the one who said you would give up an incredible amount of picture quality... not me.

and you don't have to be an expert to know that a high end Projector with a nice screen etc... would compare to a Panny V plasma.

i rest my case.

i am no fan of Panasonic. i have Samsung's all along LN46A650, PN58A550 and 2333SW. but nowadays i no longer ignore Panasonic sets. i am quick impress with their quality picture, sound and build. special this model P65V10, i hope this model will not be obsolete or Panasonic release an improve version to replace it, http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-TC-P65V10-plasma-widescreen/dp/B002JI9FHU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1262788670&sr=1-1

My old CRT RPTV died on 11/23 (after only 4 years and 9 months ). On 11/27 I picked up a Sony KDL-52Z5100 (one step down from the XBR9), mainly because there was a great package deal. Well, the flashlighting in the corners and the screen uniformity (or lack thereof) drove me nuts . In addition, I was not happy with the black levels (compared to my old CRT RPTV) as I watch in a light-controlled HT room (the only light on is a 6500K back light). On 12/13, I picked up a TC-P50V10 and have been incredibly happy and just plain blown away by the picture! It seems to get better and better every time I watch it (which I'm sure it is since it's supposed to get better over the first few hundred hours). I too used to be afraid of "burn-in" and IR but am realizing a plasma is really no different than a traditional CRT. I have only seen IR once and it was gone in a matter of seconds (I have about 25 hours on the TV as of this post). I ended up paying about $300 more for the Panny plasma and honestly feel it is worth every penny more and then some! I can only imagine that the price difference to an XBR9 would be even less (unles you're considering a 54" or 58" plasma). Even my wife is amazed by the PQ and comments on how much better it is. So, count me in as one happy Panny plasma customer!

BTW, I still have an LCD upstairs that I use in a brightly-lit room (3 windows and an 8-foot slider). In that room the LCD is great, so I'm by no means anti-LCD. I think your viewing environment has a lot to do with the PQ.

I was comparing dollars to dollars though, sorry. The AE4000U is not a high end projector.

I had the opportunity to set up (with DVE) a friend's new XBR9 and I have a V10 so I've seen both in action.

While the XBR9 is a good TV, it has many of the issues associated with LCDs. I noticed signficant brightness uniformity issues (on test patterns at least), higher black level, and of course lousy off axis performance. I've also never seen so many colors on a gray scale pattern as I did on all of the Sony's color temp modes.

Lastly, the THX mode on the Panny has very accurate color reproduction that the XBR9 can't match.

I am in the process of doing al ot of research for a new HDTV. My 2005 Sony KDS-XBR1 60" that I bought from best Buy is about to replaced thru their extended warranty. I had multiple issues with the Optical Block so the set is being replaced.

One of the sets I am very interested in is the 65" Panasonic V10. In some other posts I see some making a claim that over time, the deep blacks become not quite so black with usage, the blacks start to durn a little gray-ish.

Any comments?

Well, take everything you read about that with a grain of salt. The jury is still out on that alledged problem.
I have a V10 with about 500 hours on it and "knock wood" its been just great.

The only thing that would keep you on a XBR9 is artificial brightness and colors.

Thats the only thing that made one of my customers back in December go from a older Sony KDL46xbr2 to a Panasonic 54V10 for the new tv.He kept the Panny for 2 weeks then went with the 52XBR9.

As the owner of a Panasonic G15 and a Sony XBR6, I'd say don't worry about the hassle of switching. The picture is excellent on my Sony and the blacks are as deep as my plasma as far as my eyes can tell. Sometimes they look deeper. The sidebars are definitely blacker than the G15.

I do notice a bit of flashlighting in the corners of the XBR6 when I first turn it on, but it goes away in a few minutes after it warms up. There's also very slight clouding during an all black screen with the Sony, but not enough for me to be concerned about. The picture itself looks even better than the plasma at times, especially with blu-ray content.

I definitely wouldn't worry about swapping it for a plasma. It's a perfectly good television. I'd keep it and wait for real advances in technology before worrying about another TV. OLED is on the horizon and will blow both of them out of the water.

Plus the XBR line has better features than Panasonic IMO.

I almost got a 40" xbr9 before deciding to take a look at plasma (which I initially dismissed). I am sooo glad I looked. I ended up with a 42G10 and spent a lot less money and got at least as good if not a better picture.

I would choose this mid-range plasma over the highest end LCD.

Read this thread before you guys jump on the plasma bandwagon: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1167339

The XBR8 is a great television. The XBR9... not so much. The V10 is the easy choice.