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post #1081 of 1266
With my recent decision to get a new projector, the CF181D was very high on my radar, along with the Panasonic AE4000. I made a sort of last-hour turn around and decided to purchase an Epson 8350 based on my research, , recommendations, user reviews & insights, etc. I was saving a good chunk of cash with this decision, did not need the features of the AE4000 and figured it would trounce my 8-9 yr. old Yamaha LPX-500 by such a wide margin that I was certain to be pleased with any decision.

At any rate, after watching the Epson for a few hours I hate to say that I don't like it that much. The picture quality and color is beautiful and makes my Yamaha look fuzzy in comparison. However, there is simply something about it that I find offputting. Perhaps it is the way it handles motion, or maybe there is a convergence issue that I am simply sensitive to. It is kind of hard to describe, but in a word there is something inherently unsatisfying about the image. I find it hard to really concentrate on the film, feel like my eyes just want to drift and almost feel like I'm getting a little headache (though that is a bit of an overstatement). The first evening I was checking it out, I figured I was maybe just tired. Over the course of the weekend, multiple viewings of a variety of films leave me with the same impression. The image, in spite of it's inherently beautiful appearance, simply is not - as a film presentation - engaging...feels rather unnatural...sort of artificial even. I've fussed around a bit with plugging the HDMI cable straight out of the BluRay player to avoid going through the HT processor, changed a variety of settings, resolutions, etc. and still am left with the same impression. It's kind of like finally meeting that beautiful woman you've been pining over only to feel your brain fog over when you actually talk to her and feel the attraction drain away. I have both projectors up still, and when switching over to the old Yamaha, in spite of it's lack of clarity, it's a relief to watch a film and find myself enjoying it. I keep thinking that I'm just faking myself out, or getting too analytical, or imagining things as it is a relatively subtle...but still pervasive quality that is giving me this impression. Maybe I'm just so used to the old 720p projector that it's hard for me to adjust...though I really don't think that is it. I am thinking it may be a convergence issue, and will be sending it back to PP. They are going to check it out at which point I could decide whether I want to try another Epson. At this point, I am thinking about trying a CF181D based on it's repuation for an organic, "film like" image quality that some have touted.

Any thoughts on this?
post #1082 of 1266
Was the old Yamaha projector a DLP?
You might be a DLP guy, that is probably why.
post #1083 of 1266
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Was the old Yamaha projector a DLP?
You might be a DLP guy, that is probably why.

Actually, my old projector is an LCD so this is the type of display that I am used to.
post #1084 of 1266
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Originally Posted by centurymantra View Post

At this point, I am thinking about trying a CF181D based on it's repuation for an organic, "film like" image quality that some have touted.

Any thoughts on this?

At the fear of overselling this, potentially leading to your disappointment, I have to say that every time I watch a movie, I'm amazed at how natural it looks. Sure, it doesn't have those awesome deep blacks, but neither does real film projection.

If you can find a place that allow returns, I'd say it's a no-brainer.
post #1085 of 1266
second to trefork... After calibration, the picture looks very natural and I enjoyed watching it. It is not sharp, have some alignment issues, and not very "black" when I am checking it with test patterns, but for movie content, it throws an amazing picture.

I am on the fence of getting a JVC RS45/55 or VW95.. For JVC, I know I will get better black.. For VW95, I know I will get 3D, better FI, and probably better alignment...but somehow in my mind, I still not sure if I will get a huge improvement in PQ.. So, I might still hang on with my LG for another year...

However, if you are serious about getting a used LG at some serious discount, PM me and we can talk more.
post #1086 of 1266
centurymantra,
I am in a very similar situation. I have a 6-year old Yamaha LPX-510 that has been rock solid. On the second lamp.

But of course we want to upgrade to a true 1080p PJ and possibly 3D.

Last Christmas I journeyed to our 'local' (20 miles away) HT store where they have room with 3 pj's showing on 3 screens.

Unfortunately one of the pj's was waiting on a new lamp so my choices to view were a Epson 8350 and Runco LS5.

The 8350 was running when I walked in and I was very underwhelmed. I did not think it was any better than my LPX-510 when I run it at 1080i.

Then the salesman cranked up the Runco. This was only my second experience with DLP, we have friends with an Optoma HD20 that I find less than impressive.

The Runco however was INCREDIBLE!

To see them in the same room was like watching an old tube TV next to a LCD or plasma.

Since then I've seen the Epson 9500 which was much better than the 8350, but still not enough of an improvement over my LPX-510 to get me to part with my $$.

Still searching for something that is budget friendly but gives that 'pop' or 'wow' factor.

Certainly don't want to spend another $3,700 on a projector given the current crop of <$2,000 options, but definitely want something better than the 8350.

Not to mention the odds of having to send an Epson back and forth multiple times until a good one shows up.
post #1087 of 1266
Hey everyone...thanks for all the feedback! This helps to support my decision to trade the Epson in for a CF181. It was nice to check out the Epson, but I am wishing I had stuck with my original intent and gone with the LG from the start. I'm working with Projector People on this purchase and they are pretty great to work with so far, so things should go pretty smoothly.

Cheers!
post #1088 of 1266
I belive PP also has a free bulb with the LG till the end of the year. Making this a really good buy. I'll still torn between the LG and the Benq w6000.
post #1089 of 1266
I agree that's a heck of a deal!
post #1090 of 1266
Yes, PP is good to work with, and have 40 hrs return policy which should make your purchase a breeze.
post #1091 of 1266
Recently I have borrowed a friend's Epson 8350 to compare to my 4 year old Panasonic AE1000. Like you, I was impressed by the brightness and color from the 8350, but somehow I do find the image lacking in some way. The LG CF 181G remains on my short list. So I will value your comments on this projector once you get it in replace,net for your 8350.
post #1092 of 1266
The current price on this, including a free bulb, makes this a no-brainer.

Please respond back on the thread with your first impressions!
post #1093 of 1266
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Yes, PP is good to work with, and have 40 hrs return policy which should make your purchase a breeze.

I think you mean 4 hour return policy....
post #1094 of 1266
HH Greg also has this on sale for a really nice price.
post #1095 of 1266
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Originally Posted by JamesVG81 View Post

HH Greg also has this on sale for a really nice price.

That unit(AF115) is actually a lower end model. It was designed to compete with the entry level projectors, such as the Epson 8100 and Mits 3800.
post #1096 of 1266
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Originally Posted by TCroly View Post

I think you mean 4 hour return policy....

Yup.. sorry
post #1097 of 1266
I am very close to pulling the trigger on my very own LG CF181G it looks like allot of projector for the the price point. I have been reading this forum for years and I think it might happen soon. The last time I was this close to pulling the trigger was on a Sanyo PLV70 that was a while back.
I like to set close to the screen at the theaters so my field of view is all screen, I know most people like the set farther back approach, it just always seemed to defeat the purpose of a large screen. I think the LG can easily handel a 140-160 inch screen we will see.
I will have to have a 75 foot HDMI cable run to he projector but it seem like this won't be a problem.
post #1098 of 1266
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Originally Posted by DavidCorbett View Post

I am very close to pulling the trigger on my very own LG CF181G it looks like allot of projector for the the price point. I have been reading this forum for years and I think it might happen soon. The last time I was this close to pulling the trigger was on a Sanyo PLV70 that was a while back.
I like to set close to the screen at the theaters so my field of view is all screen, I know most people like the set farther back approach, it just always seemed to defeat the purpose of a large screen. I think the LG can easily handel a 140-160 inch screen we will see.
I will have to have a 75 foot HDMI cable run to he projector but it seem like this won't be a problem.

I have a 71" x 169" 2.35 screen
I came from a similar upgrade path. Delayed upgrading the PLV70 for years cause I couldnt find a projector that would throw a similar amount of light to the Sanyo. I thought about the LG for many, many months, worried about its quality cause it seemed to cheap and frankly the "expert" opinions on this site only confused me more.
When I finally did the deed I have never looked back. In fact I can not imagine what I could buy, outside a 3 chip DLP,that would do the job better. ( the cost of $70,000 plus half of all I own for the divorce would make that goal too expensive)
Even after 6 months the projector easily lights up the screen, the resolution and contrast is mind blowing. I still sit in awe front of it.
I know some "experts" occasionally try to quote numbers to me where other projectors are claiming to out perform the LG, but I just smile quietly with saliva dribbling out of the side of my mouth and remain with my eyes fixed to the screen.
Life is too short......Just do it!!
post #1099 of 1266
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Originally Posted by Baird View Post

I have a 71" x 169" 2.35 screen
I came from a similar upgrade path. Delayed upgrading the PLV70 for years cause I couldnt find a projector that would throw a similar amount of light to the Sanyo. I thought about the LG for many, many months, worried about its quality cause it seemed to cheap and frankly the "expert" opinions on this site only confused me more.
When I finally did the deed I have never looked back. In fact I can not imagine what I could buy, outside a 3 chip DLP,that would do the job better. ( the cost of $70,000 plus half of all I own for the divorce would make that goal too expensive)
Even after 6 months the projector easily lights up the screen, the resolution and contrast is mind blowing. I still sit in awe front of it.
I know some "experts" occasionally try to quote numbers to me where other projectors are claiming to out perform the LG, but I just smile quietly with saliva dribbling out of the side of my mouth and remain with my eyes fixed to the screen.
Life is too short......Just do it!!

Baird, do you have a high-gain screen? With about 83 sq ft, even with 10-12ftL, you need close to 1000 lumens for a 1.0 gain screen. The 181 simply does not have that if it is D65 calibrated.
For my case, a calibrated output gives me about 600 lumens.
Now, if you have a 2.8 gain screen, you can definitely do it. 600*2.8/83= 20ftL.. still plenty to go
post #1100 of 1266
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

Baird, do you have a high-gain screen? With about 83 sq ft, even with 10-12ftL, you need close to 1000 lumens for a 1.0 gain screen. The 181 simply does not have that if it is D65 calibrated.
For my case, a calibrated output gives me about 600 lumens.
Now, if you have a 2.8 gain screen, you can definitely do it. 600*2.8/83= 20ftL.. still plenty to go

No. the screen is audio transparent and therefore zero gain. I considered a 2.8 screen but felt that that would be going backwards. (limited viewing position, loss of AT).

However the theater is underground with no external light sources. Saying that the screen can be watched with background lights on. There is a greater picture derogation than the PLV70 would have suffered with the same lights on, but it is watchable.

Your comments bring a smile to my face cause I lurked around this site for over a year worrying about lumins, screen gain, D65 etc. And I know that theroretically if I had continued listening to the experts here there is still no 1080P projector out there with suitable specs to do the job.

D65? I probably wouldn't know it if I saw it, But to my eye my greens are green my blues are blue and reds are red and the driddle continues to drip out of my mouth.
post #1101 of 1266
I am no expert.. and I won't claim to be one. I am just sharing my experience.
I also had an AT screen with 1.0 gain, and my screen is only 100"x57" 16:9. Your screen is about double my size!!
Different people have different taste. I switched between different mode (mostly dynamic and user mode, which I calibrated to D65) when I am watching different contents. Dynamic mode is too "blue" for most people face.. of course, your eye can get adjusted to after a while, so you might not notice it. However, ALL projector had a DYNAMIC mode that boost BLUE and that's how they got the MOST lumens. If you are happy with that, that's fine. However, other people in this forum should know about this in case they are looking for a D65 calibrated mode.
And trust me, if you are using Dynamic mode, you will definitely KNOW and see a difference when you look at D65 calibrated. (LG CF181 PJ had a cinema mode that get close to D65.. and I think you can clearly see the difference).
post #1102 of 1266
My LG is on it's way, should be here next Wednesday, just in time for Thanksgiving weekend. A 75 foot HDMI cable is also suppose to arrive Wednesday, this will keep me busy for a while, my 47 inch Vizio will be going into semi retirement.
post #1103 of 1266
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Originally Posted by DavidCorbett View Post

My LG is on it's way, should be here next Wednesday, just in time for Thanksgiving weekend. A 75 foot HDMI cable is also suppose to arrive Wednesday, this will keep me busy for a while, my 47 inch Vizio will be going into semi retirement.

After you get the LG up and running the Vizio will be put out to pasture, never to be seen again for serious video viewing.
post #1104 of 1266
I have acquired some old billboard vinyls white on back very large. I will make my temporary screen with this stuff and probably make a very large screen for outdoor events just for fun. I will have some fun with this stuff I might project a 300 inch screen on my living room wall for giggles, the best part the billboards were free.
post #1105 of 1266
I'm a first time poster seeking advice on a projector and a screen. After doing some research on these forums, I've narrowed my selection down to 3 different projectors (8700ub - $1900 with free bulb, cf181d - $1500 with free bulb, and 8350 - $1100) and 2 different screens (vapex or elite sable). I will be installing setup in basement. I have total light control. Screen will be located on accent wall painted dark blue. Soffit at center of screen will limit max screen height to 7'3. Distance fromo projector screen to opposite wall where seating is about 15.5 feet. Width of room is about 30ft.

Viewing will be 75% hd sports, 15% blu ray, 10% sd cartoons. I will have children in the basement regularly so there will be ambient light most of the time. Room is L shaped so ambient light should somewhat isolated from screen. I do not have any mounting concerns. I am considering a 100" or 106" screen. Kids will be running around so i'm a bit concerned about a toddler looking into the projector. Therefore I want a projector with plenty of brightness that also has low power modes. I am waffling back and forth between cf181d and 8700. As a first time buyer, I do not know if the contrast ratio and customer service of Epson outweigh the cheaper LG with a sharper image (or so i've read), better colors, and brighter output. Any advice is welcomed. What projector seems to ne the best in my situation? Would a gray screen help the contrast ratio of The LG measurably? Are the vapex and elite sable screens going to prevent me from noticing a difference real between the projectors?
post #1106 of 1266
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Originally Posted by beachguy View Post

I'm a first time poster seeking advice on a projector and a screen. After doing some research on these forums, I've narrowed my selection down to 3 different projectors (8700ub - $1900 with free bulb, cf181d - $1500 with free bulb, and 8350 - $1100) and 2 different screens (vapex or elite sable). I will be installing setup in basement. I have total light control. Screen will be located on accent wall painted dark blue. Soffit at center of screen will limit max screen height to 7'3. Distance fromo projector screen to opposite wall where seating is about 15.5 feet. Width of room is about 30ft.

Viewing will be 75% hd sports, 15% blu ray, 10% sd cartoons. I will have children in the basement regularly so there will be ambient light most of the time. Room is L shaped so ambient light should somewhat isolated from screen. I do not have any mounting concerns. I am considering a 100" or 106" screen. Kids will be running around so i'm a bit concerned about a toddler looking into the projector. Therefore I want a projector with plenty of brightness that also has low power modes. I am waffling back and forth between cf181d and 8700. As a first time buyer, I do not know if the contrast ratio and customer service of Epson outweigh the cheaper LG with a sharper image (or so i've read), better colors, and brighter output. Any advice is welcomed. What projector seems to ne the best in my situation? Would a gray screen help the contrast ratio of The LG measurably? Are the vapex and elite sable screens going to prevent me from noticing a difference real between the projectors?

If you watch 75% HD sports, then maybe color accuracy is not that important to you, as you will want more of the pop factor. Also, black level is also probably not that important in HD sports, as they don't tend to play in the dark too much usually, people that watch primarily sports will want better FI, and brighter pictures. In that case, maybe you want to consider a higher-gain screen.. A higher-gain screen will also help you later if you want to watch 3D, as most projectors are not bright enough today. Oh, and BTW, LG had the True-Motion which if you ask me, does not quite work and I did not notice much difference when I am watching NFL.

Having said that, I think the current pricing of the LG with free bulb is hard to beat and you should be happy. Your screen size is definitely not big, so even if you want to tune for a better color/D65 mode, you should still have a really good picture when you watch blu-ray. Benq W6000 might be another good contender but that's DLP.
post #1107 of 1266
[quote=beachguy;21247627]As a first time buyer, I do not know if the contrast ratio and customer service of Epson outweigh the cheaper LG........ QUOTE]

At the back end of the Bluray version of Gigi there is a scene in the dark of night with the character standing by a fountain that is back lit with water cascading down from the fountain. The LG has to deliver light lights and dark darks. The beauty of the scene mesmerizes me and I often wonder what a more expensive and (on paper) higher contrast specification machine could do to improve the picture.

In truth, I don't really want to know cause currently it looks like perfection to me!!
post #1108 of 1266
So does that mean the LG is a better fit at its price and my situation? The Epson is a couple hundred more and offers frame interpolation and better blacks. If trumotion isn't usable, wouldn't that eliminate the lg? Also, If you're suggesting higher gain for sports, is a gray screen with .8 gain a bad idea for improving blacks in the event I watch a movie? Your help is greatly appreciated.
post #1109 of 1266
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Originally Posted by beachguy View Post

So does that mean the LG is a better fit at its price and my situation? The Epson is a couple hundred more and offers frame interpolation and better blacks. If trumotion isn't usable, wouldn't that eliminate the lg? Also, If you're suggesting higher gain for sports, is a gray screen with .8 gain a bad idea for improving blacks in the event I watch a movie? Your help is greatly appreciated.

My view:
- Keep the gain low at 1 to 1.3. We have just had the World Rugby Cup here in NZ. Our home theater has had a thrashing. Higher gains close the viewing cone. Lower gains means the viewers can sit anywhere..... and they did

- Aren't grey screens a throw back to the days when projectors had virtually no contrast. I wouldn't use grey cause it may give a slight upside on contrast but it sucks up light. And in my view light is a commodity that shouldn't be wasted if you have more than you need build a bigger screen!!

- Go to www.projectorcentral.com and play with their screen calculator using their data for the 2 models under consideration. From what I remembered of you previous post you can go bigger in the screen size. And if you can, not to do so is a crime?

- Before you spend a penny you need to consider a 2.35 screen configeration. You say the project is mainly for sport. I remember saying something similar once!!!!!! If you did go down this track I think the Epsom offers anamorphic stretch whereas the LG would require a video processor to have the projector deliver the resized picture through the anamorphic lens

- Trumotion? I've played with it but it didn't do anything good or bad that I remember.

Saying all the above I don't really know which projector is the better option. I've never seen the Epson lit up. All I know is I just can't imagine what another projector in a similar price range could substancially improve on the LG
post #1110 of 1266
I received my brand new LG and hooked it up this evening, I have a temporary screen made out of a large piece of white vinyl from a billboard display. It has several wrinkles in it but it will serve it's purpose, I can project up to a 165 inch diagonal. I have to say WOW what a picture, I popped in a blue-ray watched the pod racer scene from star wars, it was a hoot. My wife and i were amazed at all the details we would never see otherwise. Oh and my picture is better than the big screens at North Park AMC, just sayin.
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