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post #481 of 1266
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Originally Posted by mjaudio View Post

I'd like to know that too but more in a 100" range. I will be installing in the living room and during the day I am not crazy about a cave during football season.

the nice thing is that you can always reduce the light output and as the bulb ages, you can bring it back up.
post #482 of 1266
Are you serious?
post #483 of 1266
its a bot. 71 posts in a matter of minutes, i think.
post #484 of 1266
I dont worry about bulbs dimming anymore.
I have factored in a bulb replacement once each year.

I figure this pj's picture is just as good as the new 100" plasmas that cost $100,000.

Therefore, at $2300 I in effect have a 100" plasma.

I dont care about adding another $300 per year for a new bulb to my overall cost since I am still getting the same picture as a $100,000 plasma.
post #485 of 1266
The replacement lamp of CF181D is only about $200. Less than two months' Comcast subscription fee for me. Not an issue for me even if I have to replace it once every year.

A comment about question some asked whether it can be too bright. I have 106" 1.0 gain screen at throw distance of 14'. At low lamp setting I don't feel it's too bright even in a totally darked room. I think it will be fine unless your taste if very different from mine.
post #486 of 1266
Agreed that the screen is a big factor in terms of reflective properties. Another item not mentioned here is while your pj may have near perfect calibration in it's light output, the screen can/will modify that light thus forcing color adjustment. As a purist, my strive is for a screen that is white and modifies the pj photons that are reflected as little as possible. Thus I stay away from grey and silver screens. Bring this up because while the JVC being considered tracks nearly perfectly in output across the color spectrum, the screen can change that in the reflected light your viewing. A local A/V high-end dealer has the RS20 on a white screen in a light controlled - black - room, it's simply a joy to watch, video nirvana. :-) Eager to hear back whether you purchase the JVC or LG and how your viewing experience is. What a joy it is to have the theater experience in your own home :-)

Bob
post #487 of 1266
I would get the LG though because eventough the JVC is said to be slightly better with color, you may find yourself down the road where you want to show a movie in a none light controlled room.

From what I read here this is where the LG would kick butt.
post #488 of 1266
We watch a lot of movies with the kids with the back lights on. Our screen is 159" high power. The LG is great with the lights on or off. We only use the low power setting.
post #489 of 1266
Hi, I am sure there is a simple answer to this.

1) i see a white noise line on the top of screen when watching SD on DTV

2) I see a green line on the left of the screen when watching blu rays on the play station.
post #490 of 1266
I use PS3 and have never seen a green line anywhere.
post #491 of 1266
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

As far as the lack of Horizontal Lens shift, since the LG CF181D's lens is center mounted, if your even remotely adept at using a Tape measure, getting a accurate "center to the screen" measurement on the Lens should be well within the norm. If you use a Universal Mount whose adjustable "Spider legs" allow you to shift the placement of the Mount's center to the right or left of the center point of the PJ's lens, that should be all you need to zero in the placement to the point where twisting the PJ slightly...and using Key Stoning isn't required...of if it is, only using 1 increment of Key Stone adjustment, which amounts to virtually nothing.

Ahhhhh.......choosing a Mount. I've been using Chief Mounts for a while...the RPAs....w/dedicated PJ adapter Plates. But....even with the LG CF181D having been on release for about 6 mo. neither Chief or Peerless have a dedicated PJ Mounting plate as of yet. (I've been on Chief's arse about that and I have the Boys in engineering getting on it now....) Why the Fuss? because that big 'ol LG CF181D's mounting holes are really closely spaced....they are only on a 6" x 6" square pattern! Now while that helps a lot as far as "centering" it is TOO CLOSE for most all Universal Mounts that employ adjustable Arms to be able to use all 4 Arms by pulling them in toward the center and letting them lie under the adapter Plate. Pisser! I bought/used a Chief RPU Mount and all I could manage was to install 3 legs...on a 25lb+ PJ. Not at all happy about that...but at least with effective tightening I did get a sturdy hang. For now.

So for me it's between the Panasonic PT-AE4000U and the LG.... Leaning towards the LG now because of it's advantage in brightness. I will have total control of the ambient light in the room but I want to be able to watch a game with some friends without being in a cave... I fully understand that it takes a toll on the quality but I'm sure it will be ok.

The game room has vaulted ceilings around 11' high. The top of my screen to be (120" diagonal) will be at approx 84" from the floor therefore for the PJ to be approx at the top of the screen I would have to drop it down around 4'. Furthermore, since this PJ doesn't have horizontal lens shifting, and having never mounted a PJ before, I wont be able to rely on the Horizontal lens shift to make the installation easier.

In reference to the post quoted above: do I understand correctly that there are some "spider" type mount that can help with the few millimeters of one can be? Can anyone suggest a mount that can drop 3 to 4 feet and give some room to play on the horizontal adjustment to make up for the few millimeters I'm probably going to be off?

Secondly, I can basically install this PJ with a throw between 13 and 15 feet. Reason is I need to have a ceiling fan in the room. This room is the hottest one in the house. It is facing south, therefore exposed to the hot Texas sun all day. That being said, how much vertical shifting is too much if the throw is somewhere between 13 and 15 feet? I'm not excited about having this PJ hang for 4 feet might look silly. But I could live with it.

Finally, if that PJ is setup that high I will need a step ladder to get to it. I'm sure it won't be a problem for day to day usage. Or will it? Never owned a PJ before so I'm trying to make sure I'm not missing anything. Don't plan on covering it neither after each use nor to place the cover over the lens. I'm not afraid of a step ladder; just don't want one permanently in the room!


Sorry I'm a bit all over the place with my questions - it's the excitement I think!

Thanks.
post #492 of 1266
I have used my ps3 without any green lines. Typically we use a samsung 1590 as our source.
post #493 of 1266
it's a green line on the very far left of the screen ...
post #494 of 1266
zbroke, I have not touched my pj since playing my first movie after figuring out where I wanted it to go.
Its remote control all the time.
post #495 of 1266
The white noise line in SD could be closed-caption info.
post #496 of 1266
snarks -- It sounds like you are running with no (zero) over-scan (or 100% image, depending on how LG specifies it). Most video material require some over-scan (around 2% to 5%). Check your manual, you should have an over-scan option in the menu (most PJs do). Using some over-scan will eliminate the VIR information (the "white" line on SD programs) and the "green" line on your PS3 signals.
post #497 of 1266
I use a PS3 a Pioneer BDP-121 and a Toshiba HD-XA2 and have overscan set to 100 and do not see any lines at all. I do sometimes see it on DTV if the DTV receiver is not set to it's native resolution.

I have had many projectors and watching the Boston Pops Fireworks show on the LG 181 looked great. I wish that HDN would still do there Fireworks though
they had the cleanest shots of anybody. The Macy's Fireworks show sucked on any far away shots [crappy Camera's].
post #498 of 1266
zbroke,

The Sanus mount I have (check my post previously) do have about 2 inches of horizontal adjustment. You can even do the horizontal adjustment after you mount it, and it use some quick dismount so you can easily take it off. It does provide a 6" tube for you to drop, but I assume you can get a 3-4 ft. extension tube to do that though.

BTW, my overscan option is gray out. Any idea?
post #499 of 1266
Thanks fight4yu.
post #500 of 1266
How about building a shelf rather than a ceiling mount. Mounts seem like a lot of trouble.

I bought a huge, solid mahogany armaire in an estate sale a few years ago that is heavier than anything I have ever owned. I had thought about selling it however now that I have a pj I use it as basiaclly a shelf mount with my pj sitting on top.

I use the storage inside for everything such as ps3, receivers, comcast box, wires, pc, dvds, games, etc.

I even have my sub woofer inside it so literally the room floor is totally clean and unclutered with nothing on the floor that is media related.
post #501 of 1266
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Originally Posted by zbroke View Post

So for me it's between the Panasonic PT-AE4000U and the LG.... Leaning towards the LG now because of it's advantage in brightness. I will have total control of the ambient light in the room but I want to be able to watch a game with some friends without being in a cave... I fully understand that it takes a toll on the quality but I'm sure it will be ok.

OK? Sounds a little too much like accepting sub standard performance to me.

Explore "controlling" the dispersion of light by using Spots instead of Floods, and/or Can Shields to direct / mask light.

You don't mention what Screen you have. Adapting the surface of such to compliment the light output and improve upon the perceived off-screen contrast is a very effective way to ramp up your performance and the systems adaptability to various viewing conditions. You have the Tool (LG) so use it to it's best advantage...don't hog tie it with undesirable circumstances.

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The game room has vaulted ceilings around 11' high. The top of my screen to be (120" diagonal) will be at approx 84" from the floor therefore for the PJ to be approx at the top of the screen I would have to drop it down around 4'. Furthermore, since this PJ doesn't have horizontal lens shifting, and having never mounted a PJ before, I wont be able to rely on the Horizontal lens shift to make the installation easier.

There is no need to have the PJ down that far. First off, it has a small degree of Lens Off Set, so that the lens is slightly above the top edge of the Screen. Secondly, it has a fair amount of Vertical Lens Shift, enough to accommodate the PJ being set with the lens 2' from the ceiling

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In reference to the post quoted above: do I understand correctly that there are some "spider" type mount that can help with the few millimeters of one can be? Can anyone suggest a mount that can drop 3 to 4 feet and give some room to play on the horizontal adjustment to make up for the few millimeters I'm probably going to be off?

Several Mfg Mounts come with a adjustable Drop Tube that can extend to 30" or so.

http://www.amazon.com/Mustang-Maximu...428555&sr=8-11

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=182-386

There are better mounts available, ones that also allow you to hide the 20"+ of Cords inside the Drop Tube. But they cost $150.00+. Let me know if you need links to some of those.

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Secondly, I can basically install this PJ with a throw between 13 and 15 feet. Reason is I need to have a ceiling fan in the room. This room is the hottest one in the house. It is facing south, therefore exposed to the hot Texas sun all day. That being said, how much vertical shifting is too much if the throw is somewhere between 13 and 15 feet? I'm not excited about having this PJ hang for 4 feet might look silly. But I could live with it.

Yes...too far a "hang' only makes the PJ become a unwelcome addition to the decor. It should stay up at least 9' from Floor to bottom of the PJ.


[quote]Finally, if that PJ is setup that high I will need a step ladder to get to it. I'm sure it won't be a problem for day to day usage. Or will it? Never owned a PJ before so I'm trying to make sure I'm not missing anything. Don't plan on covering it neither after each use nor to place the cover over the lens. I'm not afraid of a step ladder; just don't want one permanently in the room!
[quote]

Should be no need for a ladder after you zero in the unit. But be sure to use a 8' ladder when working.



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Sorry I'm a bit all over the place with my questions - it's the excitement I think!

Thanks.

Oh...Sawright!

Far better to pose questions now than lamentations later.
post #502 of 1266
Hi. I have a question on the "black level" setting. What is it and what should I set it to?
When I am doing the PLUGE calibration, I need to set it to HIGH in order to see the BTB pattern. So, I assume Black level = HIGH should be the right setting to use as it gives more "black"? In that case, what is the use of "low" setting then? why would someone want to have less "black"?
post #503 of 1266
I'm kind of confused about this setting too. I set mine at LOW since it looks "blacker" to me. I first thought HIGH means more black but it always seem brighter and less black at that setting. I too am interested to see what others use.
post #504 of 1266
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Originally Posted by carlkpro View Post

I'm kind of confused about this setting too. I set mine at LOW since it looks "blacker" to me. I first thought HIGH means more black but it always seem brighter and less black at that setting. I too am interested to see what others use.

Yup. I found that true as well, but I can't seem to see the BTB in the PLUGE pattern with that setting though. it seems like LOW crush some BLACK details...
so, any expert out there, Anthony or Mississippiman or JoeRod?
post #505 of 1266
I am sure I missed it in this thread, but what is the best cost and location to buy this projector?
post #506 of 1266
Thanks MississippiMan!

I got your point about the offset and the levering the lens shifting to minimize the drop. That being said, I'm now open to the possibility to ceiling mount that PJ on the angle part of my vaulted ceiling. The angle part is approx 4' long from the beginning of the pitch to when it reaches the wall. That would give me 2 ½ feet, maybe 3 of extra length to mount the PJ. This would have the advantage of having a much less severe of a drop from the ceiling that I would find so unpleasant to the eye AND I would not have to use as much vertical lens shifting (didn't I read somewhere that one should not abuse it? ) The reason I didn't bring this up is I had this let's keep the PJ as close to the screen as possible to retain maximum brightness. Some of my thinking was leftovers from when I was on the market for the Pan4K. But I think this LG PJ can handle the 16' throw and retain very good brightness. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Other less preferred option is to mount on the wall using mount below (or something like it) if it fits a LG of course. Don't want to put it on a shelf because there are French doors right below leading to the outside. Seems like a shelf mounted PJ would vibrate and move a lot more.
If you look at the pics provided by the Amazon community, you will see one where it is wall mounted and one on a vaulted ceiling. Looks pretty flexible and would allow me to change my mind!!!! I'm wondering though if it would give me those few inches to accommodate for the lack of horizontal lens shift of the LG?

http://www.amazon.com/Vantage-Point-.../ref=pd_cp_e_2

Then there is the issue of the screen. I do not have one and I'm doing my research on that as well. I was thinking white since 95%+ of the watching will be under controlled lighting. I'm definitely open to suggestions for a good screen at a decent price. But maybe grey is the way to go?!? So many options

Thanks for your time
post #507 of 1266
check Projectorpeople. I have good experience with them. Call them for good discount.
post #508 of 1266
Like Fight4yu, I went with Projector People.Got decent discount.
post #509 of 1266
I will tinker with this setting now. I had assummed HIGH means blacker.
The only settings I have done is TruMotion all the time and switch back and forth between HIGH/LOW lamp. I always run Vivid.
post #510 of 1266
What's a decent discount?

Jack
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