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post #1051 of 1340
it would be ALOT easier to preorder this thing if I knew when it was getting released so I knew when the funds would be taken out of my checking...come on optoma/amazon.
post #1052 of 1340
I've spent some limited time researching 3d and correct me if i'm wrong but will the 3d-xl paired with an hd66 be a 3d solution which will be supported for atleast a few years in the educated guess of users here? I got burned on HD DVD and it has left a sour taste in my mouth which is no one's fault but my own. Just trying to do my best given my Pany AX200 is about to come up on it's 4th bulb and the HD66 is much likely a much better option. Installed just under 12' with my 106" HP screen mounted to a DIY frame I created this should be one bright SOB which is what I want given this is my only source of t.v. outside of our bedroom t.v. I will be using a ps3 and t.v. broadcasts and this seems like a very exciting product.

I would be really interested in hearing about the increased bulb life given that's a problem with my pany for me.
post #1053 of 1340
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Originally Posted by NickTF View Post

I've spent some limited time researching 3d and correct me if i'm wrong but will the 3d-xl paired with an hd66 be a 3d solution which will be supported for atleast a few years in the educated guess of users here? I got burned on HD DVD and it has left a sour taste in my mouth which is no one's fault but my own. Just trying to do my best given my Pany AX200 is about to come up on it's 4th bulb and the HD66 is much likely a much better option. Installed just under 12' with my 106" HP screen mounted to a DIY frame I created this should be one bright SOB which is what I want given this is my only source of t.v. outside of our bedroom t.v. I will be using a ps3 and t.v. broadcasts and this seems like a very exciting product.

I would be really interested in hearing about the increased bulb life given that's a problem with my pany for me.

I'd say that as long as you need a 3D bluray player and a 3D bluray disc to watch a movie in 3D, then yes. No different than watching a 3D movie on a 3DHD TV. The only thing that will be replacing a 3DTV is a 3DTV without shutter glasses which Sony has already developed and will be releasing in a couple of years. Right now such a TV would be too expensive to buy so Sony is giving it a few more months. About 24 months or so.

But as far as a shutter glass free projection, that will never happen. James Cameron was once quoted as saying that shutter free 3D TVs will one day be a thing of the norm but not glass free 3D movies in theaters.

So you can pretty much buy the 3D-XL unit with confidence.
As for the coming shutter free 3DTVs, I went ahead and bought a small 40" Sony Bravia 3D TV for that reason. I mean, why spend more if shutter free 3DTVs are just aroung the coner. I'm not going to be one of those pissed off people once those TVs come out.
post #1054 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Alexx1 View Post

I'd say that as long as you need a 3D bluray player and a 3D bluray disc to watch a movie in 3D, then yes. No different than watching a 3D movie on a 3DHD TV. The only thing that will be replacing a 3DTV is a 3DTV without shutter glasses which Sony has already developed and will be releasing in a couple of years. Right now such a TV would be too expensive to buy so Sony is giving it a few more months. About 24 months or so.

But as far as a shutter glass free projection, that will never happen. James Cameron was once quoted as saying that shutter free 3D TVs will one day be a thing of the norm but not glass free 3D movies in theaters.

So you can pretty much buy the 3D-XL unit with confidence.
As for the coming shutter free 3DTVs, I went ahead and bought a small 40" Sony Bravia 3D TV for that reason. I mean, why spend more if shutter free 3DTVs are just aroung the coner.

Given we entertain alot of people from time to time a cheaper solution not requiring 100+ dollar glasses per person would be best but i've all but given up on this option. Anything like real D i'm pretty sure will require a different screan and a very expensive one at that and i'm not interested in getting away from projection due to the size/money it offers. Thanks for your input it is exactly the kind of response I'm looking for.
post #1055 of 1340
The only thing I can think of is that 3D shutter glass projection will one day be replaced with polorized 3D glass projection for the home (same as in movie theaters). But whether or not it's shutter or polorized, your still wearing glasses so for me personally is not much of a difference.

Although some have already done it (home made) by using two projectors side by side and polorized glasses.
post #1056 of 1340
The 3D without glasses TVs--which by the way have been around for over 10 years, but few ever made it to market, have to have a baffle of some type for each eye so each eye sees the image that is meant for it. That would require a very precise distance from viewer to screen regardless of whether you can view on or off center. No matter how you invent it, it's going to be a form of lenticular (do a search). There is just no other way around it. Polarized does it by blanking light from one eye into the other through use of crossed light polarization. Holigrams are the only way to create real 3D image without lenticular, but they require state of the art lasers actively creating images that would take the energy of a nuclear bomb to produce (ok, I might be exaggerating, but you get the idea). I have done the two projector method years ago, and let me tell you, the need for good silvered surface screen and crosstalk will deter anyone from taking it too seriously. Shutterglasses are the way to go. Just need to get better at making clearer and lighter glasses...
post #1057 of 1340
thinking of pulling the trigger on this projector tonight
any reviews on the 3D movies or games seen on this projector?
post #1058 of 1340
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Originally Posted by threed123 View Post

The 3D without glasses TVs--which by the way have been around for over 10 years, but few ever made it to market, have to have a baffle of some type for each eye so each eye sees the image that is meant for it. That would require a very precise distance from viewer to screen regardless of whether you can view on or off center. No matter how you invent it, it's going to be a form of lenticular (do a search). There is just no other way around it.

Sony Working On 3-D TeleVision : No Need 3D Glasses

Sony Corp. is one of the biggest Technological device producer of the world. Sony Corporation is working on 3-D televisions that don't need special glasses. Before it many electronic producers have produce the special glasses with 3D technology. Toshiba Corp. is the first producer of 3D glasses. Now Sony company joins in the race to sale its High Definition Television. Already, Toshiba declared the glass free 3d televisions which will be coming very soon in the market. Moreover, the companies like Panasonic and Sony are working on 3D televisions. Yoshihisa Ishida, Sony senior vice president, said, Seeing 3-D without glasses is more convenient and we must take account of pricing before we can think about when to start offering them. Sony showed its latest 3-D products for the Japanese market, including flat-panel televisions and Blu-ray recorders. Sony also said that it will start selling in next month two films and two music videos in 3D. It planned the home software of 3D theatre release including Spider Man.

Ready or Not, here they come!
post #1059 of 1340
Oh, almost forgot. Here's the link to the article:
http://www.techibuzz.com/sony-3d-television-releases/

I did a search just as you suggested.
post #1060 of 1340
Thanks for the additionl information guys. I don't think projection will have any option for "without glasses 3d" which will be anywhere near affordable and belong in the below 3k section of this forum. Is it even possible for them to offer it in front projection setups? I'm not sure if perhaps rear projection would be able to offer it with some kind of $$$$$ screen. In any event just doesn't sound like a reality for me.
post #1061 of 1340
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Originally Posted by GregK View Post

My 1-3 points are three different options to correct the issue. But I agree that if anyone is using Optoma 3D PJs and DLP glasses, it would be great to hear their feedback and given set-ups.

I have had my setup since summer and I use both the 3D Vision Glasses and DLP Link glasses and I have not experienced this issue. I can only say the majority of the time sync must just be correct.
post #1062 of 1340
Why is the HD66 not on the list of supported projectors for the 3d-xl box?
post #1063 of 1340
Thanks for the feedback, John. So with the official nvidia set-up, the left/right orientation remains consistent? I had heard this before from a couple of others, but it's always good to get further confirmation. It would cost me nearly $200 just to get the nvidia emitter. (I have DLP link glasses so I wouldn't use the nvidia glasses.)

Do you use the Stereoscopic Player for any of your 3-D viewing? If so, I could post a 3-D test image which clearly IDs the left and right eyes -then you could confirm the test image works consistently. If it works 10 out of 10 times, I'd be happy with that. The Stereoscopic Player has two modes I could use with the HD66 - The official nvidia 3D Vision 120hz mode, which I currently cannot activate w/o the nvidia emitter, or the generic page flipping mode which can run at 120hz. This is what I'm using, and am having 50/50 orientation flips with my DLP-Link glasses.
post #1064 of 1340
I was going to upload a test pattern, but TriDef already has one available that would work for this situation:
http://www.tridef.com/support/images...20x1080-lr.png
post #1065 of 1340
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Originally Posted by NickTF View Post

Why is the HD66 not on the list of supported projectors for the 3d-xl box?

The HD66 is sold under a different part # for Europe, which is shown on the list. The North American 3D-XL specs have not been released yet.
post #1066 of 1340
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Originally Posted by GregK View Post

The HD66 is sold under a different part # for Europe, which is shown on the list. The North American 3D-XL specs have not been released yet.

Ok. I saw the talks of this on pages 32-34. Was curious if there's been any update since and doesn't sound like there has been.
post #1067 of 1340
Quick note for anyone looking for cheaper dlp link glasses -
http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/uldlpliwi3dg.html

They've got some new ones releasing end of december. $60 for first pair, $50 for the next few bought at once. Not bad imo.
post #1068 of 1340
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Originally Posted by GregK View Post

I was going to upload a test pattern, but TriDef already has one available that would work for this situation:
http://www.tridef.com/support/images...20x1080-lr.png

I don't really us it.

I only watch BD's and 2D to 3D converted SD-DVD using TMT and/or PowerDVD. Really though.. If you only use DLP-Link, this is how it is supposed to be. That is why there is an invert on the projo.

I may have had it happen once in 5 months. But even then, the dang projector was actually set to invert when I checked it.
post #1069 of 1340
Can anyone tell me the colorwheel speed and segments of this projector? I swear I saw them on some review or on this thread but can't find them now.

I am currently using a mitshc3000 which I believe is a 4x rgbrgb. Neither the wife or I see any rainbows and am looking to find something with the same speed and wheel. Since I haven't been able to check these out anywhere locally.

Thanks
post #1070 of 1340
Ok so I just got off the phone with optoma.

Hd66 has a 4x 5 segment wheel

hd20 has a 4x 6 segment wheel


It took the guy a while to find the information on the hd66 because he said there was no service manual.

Do you guys think this information sounds correct?
post #1071 of 1340
Installed 92 inch HP 2.8 Da-lite Manual B with CSR today, and what a world of difference from using my Elite 100 inch matte white with 1.0 gain. The picture pops using the optoma glasses when watching Christmas Carol. My only negative with the Optoma is manually adjusting to properly use the whole screen along with the image adjustments. Very happy using this projector for 3D until the bugs are knocked out of the 1080P 3D's, and the price gets reasonable.
post #1072 of 1340
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Originally Posted by NickTF View Post

I've spent some limited time researching 3d and correct me if i'm wrong but will the 3d-xl paired with an hd66 be a 3d solution which will be supported for atleast a few years in the educated guess of users here? I got burned on HD DVD and...

To be perfectly honest... the advancements in auto-stereoscopic 3D are by orders of magnitudes almost every month and Taiwan hopes to have muti-viewer, no glasses required displays around the 55" mark on the market by next christmas. (@ crazy early adopter prices, most assuredly)

That being said, 3D is vital to the movie industry right now. With high-compression being the most important thing to consumers movie purchasing habits (netflix, etc.) for the last year and red-box getting more business than the box-office the only lure left to get us in the theatre has been "in 3D".

That threat has also been passed along to the blu-ray, as consumers are yearning for more high-compression content over high-definition, the "in 3D" is a great way to generate new interest in a waning media format.

So yes, until they find another way to make movie tickets and blu-rays sell without 3D, expect it to become more pervasive over the next five years or so. What kind of 3D (auto-stereoscopic, holographic, etc.) will probably change with the wind has various display vendors develop new technologies, however hopefully they'll all stick to a common media that can be rendered by various implementations. :laughs:

(...all completely in my own humble opinion based off my own personal research on the topic before buying in for my HT setup...)
post #1073 of 1340
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Originally Posted by phil68 View Post

Very happy using this projector for 3D until the bugs are knocked out of the 1080P 3D's, and the price gets reasonable.

Can anyone else confirm, however, isn't all 3D source material currently 720p and don't video processors bypass up-scaling if it's 3D? If so, why would you be interested in a 1080p 3D projector before the source material existed?
post #1074 of 1340
I do not know whether or not 3D source material is only 720P, however, I would rather have one projector that does both with far more bells and whistles if that was possible. I can not see a manufacturer at this point producing a great 3D projector with all the features you can think of and then selling it at a pittance. My 1080P Viewsonic Pro 8100 has spoiled me when it comes to adjusting and focusing the picture using my remote for my screen size. I have yet to figure out how to manually do that with either my 100 inch or 92 inch screens with the Optoma. I can not manually fill the whole screen at my throw distance and elevation. For the right price I would rather have one unit that does everything. The Optoma HD66 for the money is a great 3D projector, and the perfect interim solution for someone who wants 3D at a reasonable price now! On top of that of what I am reading the new higher end 3D projectors are probably visually inferior!
post #1075 of 1340
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Originally Posted by arjo_reich View Post
Can anyone else confirm, however, isn't all 3D source material currently 720p and don't video processors bypass up-scaling if it's 3D? If so, why would you be interested in a 1080p 3D projector before the source material existed?
No on both counts -- Bluray 3d is stored at 1080p/24hz, and most other source material varies - pc gaming is whatever you want to render at, but I think the PS3 games are mostly 720p.

Scaling was bypasses on old DLP checkerboard sets because scaling messed up the stereoscopic layout of the pixels, but I don't think it's a problem for other 3d solutions (and I know it's not a problem with the hd66)
post #1076 of 1340
Best Kept Secret

okay, did a ton a research and I am about to finally put all this 3D mess to rest for those who are looking for the best bang for your buck with awesome quality in projector bluray movies and Bluray 3D. First, you do need the IR emmiter and Vision setup to make it work, and you dont need a projector listed on the Nvidea website for their requirements to make 3D work either for a projector, but it does require manipulation to get 3D to happen.

I was going for the HD66 and GT720 but was put off by the lack of features and lumens. I needed an all round projector to work in all light situations for my business as a Videographer. I bought the GT700 and was disappointed by the need for absolute darkness to make the image pop, not ideal in ambient light conditions for portable settings. A dedicated dark theatre room, maby, HD66 not portable enough and lumens to low for various light situations. HD20 not 3D although good im sure but low lumens, like 1700, not good. Let me tell you, 1080p is just not worth the extra money right now. 720p works just fine. Okay, contrast is important and lumens is crucial when displaying 3D due to darkening of image, so needed a projector bright enough and portable enough and ideal for all type light sitautions.

Took a chance on the optoma TW610ST 3D ready DLP Projector and let me tell you, awesome. Google and check out specks. 3100 lumens, 3000 contrast, and best part, you can adapt easily to any sitaution. Now since model not listed on Nvidea Site as requirement for 3D, that sucks, but there is a wrk around. Download the Acer H5360 INF file and install as a display driver. Nvision setup works like a charm. Will pass Nvision setup to make 3D work on Nvidea Card and HPC setup with IR Emmitter, which is needed. Might have to restart computer a few times to take effect. Run with DVI - HDMI cable from PC to Projector and voila, set resolution to 1280X720 120hz and you got gorgeous 3D. Must have bluray drive to play Bluray 3D.

I tried both Cyberlink 10 Software and Arcsoft TMT and TMT rocks man. Plays Blurays quietly and smooth where as Cyberlink constantly skipped. I am using both the Nvision Glasses that came with the Nvision + Emmitter kit and Optoma DLP Link ZD101 glasses and they both work fine side by side. I prefer the image from DLP Link glasses over Nvision glasses, but Nvision more comfortable in long hours. The beauty of the TW610ST is that because of the High 3100 Lumens, you can crank up the brightness and contrast to offset the darkness of 3D, which is why I love this projector. 720p resolution is breathtaking and trust me, wont tell the difference from 1080p unless you are anal about it.

I am projecting on a Duet Epson 80" portable screen and love it. Love the portability of this screen for my business. Does regular Bluray and 3D just awesome. Now I forgot to mention that i read somewhere in order to Spoof Acer H5360 INF you need to use the CD 1.29 Nvision setup Software and not the most current CD 3.2 Divers in order for the Nvision 3D setup to read your Optoma DLP projector, Not sure why but it worked great. I guess if your Projector is 3D ready you can use this setup Spoof to let Nvision think it is an Acer H5360. This is a joke to me and cant understand why they cant remedy this. But hey it works and I hope all this info will help someone sort through all the B***sh** found from people trying to figure this mess out. I had to learn the hard way by taking a chance and trial and error and lots of reading forums.

Here is Acer Driver File:

 

acer.zip 1.0400390625k . file
post #1077 of 1340
I will only caution that on my system, TMT runs flakey'r than PowerDVD. So I think this can be somewhat system dependent. I am not sure what makes the difference here though as some others report the opposite on it.

I am told there is a new Roxio that is cheaper and runs great as well.
post #1078 of 1340
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Originally Posted by cvh View Post

Best Kept Secret

okay, did a ton a research and I am about to finally put all this 3D mess to rest for those who are looking for the best bang for your buck with awesome quality in projector bluray movies and Bluray 3D. First, you do need the IR emmiter and Vision setup to make it work, and you dont need a projector listed on the Nvidea website for their requirements to make 3D work either for a projector, but it does require manipulation to get 3D to happen.

I was going for the HD66 and GT720 but was put off by the lack of features and lumens. I needed an all round projector to work in all light situations for my business as a Videographer. I bought the GT700 and was disappointed by the need for absolute darkness to make the image pop, not ideal in ambient light conditions for portable settings. A dedicated dark theatre room, maby, HD66 not portable enough and lumens to low for various light situations. HD20 not 3D although good im sure but low lumens, like 1700, not good. Let me tell you, 1080p is just not worth the extra money right now. 720p works just fine. Okay, contrast is important and lumens is crucial when displaying 3D due to darkening of image, so needed a projector bright enough and portable enough and ideal for all type light sitautions.

Took a chance on the optoma TW610ST 3D ready DLP Projector and let me tell you, awesome. Google and check out specks. 3100 lumens, 3000 contrast, and best part, you can adapt easily to any sitaution. Now since model not listed on Nvidea Site as requirement for 3D, that sucks, but there is a wrk around. Download the Acer H5360 INF file and install as a display driver. Nvision setup works like a charm. Will pass Nvision setup to make 3D work on Nvidea Card and HPC setup with IR Emmitter, which is needed. Might have to restart computer a few times to take effect. Run with DVI - HDMI cable from PC to Projector and voila, set resolution to 1280X720 120hz and you got gorgeous 3D. Must have bluray drive to play Bluray 3D.

I tried both Cyberlink 10 Software and Arcsoft TMT and TMT rocks man. Plays Blurays quietly and smooth where as Cyberlink constantly skipped. I am using both the Nvision Glasses that came with the Nvision + Emmitter kit and Optoma DLP Link ZD101 glasses and they both work fine side by side. I prefer the image from DLP Link glasses over Nvision glasses, but Nvision more comfortable in long hours. The beauty of the TW610ST is that because of the High 3100 Lumens, you can crank up the brightness and contrast to offset the darkness of 3D, which is why I love this projector. 720p resolution is breathtaking and trust me, wont tell the difference from 1080p unless you are anal about it.

I am projecting on a Duet Epson 80" portable screen and love it. Love the portability of this screen for my business. Does regular Bluray and 3D just awesome. Now I forgot to mention that i read somewhere in order to Spoof Acer H5360 INF you need to use the CD 1.29 Nvision setup Software and not the most current CD 3.2 Divers in order for the Nvision 3D setup to read your Optoma DLP projector, Not sure why but it worked great. I guess if your Projector is 3D ready you can use this setup Spoof to let Nvision think it is an Acer H5360. This is a joke to me and cant understand why they cant remedy this. But hey it works and I hope all this info will help someone sort through all the B***sh** found from people trying to figure this mess out. I had to learn the hard way by taking a chance and trial and error and lots of reading forums.

Here is Acer Driver File:

Nice info. I think one potential downside is that if as you state that DLP Link is working alongside 3D Vision, that means the projector is likely in DLP Link mode for it's 3D settings. I have three GT720s and they are awaiting a firmware update so I don't have to spoof the .inf file. I got an RMA and am sending them to Optoma next week for the free upgrade. I use the spoofed .inf now, but the problem is those projectors default to DLP Link mode, which sends white flashes embedded in the video image out to link up to those glasses. If you use the Nvidia glasses, this isn't necessary since they have an IR emitter, and with DLP Link on, there is a noticeable drop in black levels and contrast compared to when it's off. See if you have the option in menu to set 3D to "IR" instead of DLP Link and look through the Nvidia glasses then...it's night and day the difference.
post #1079 of 1340
Yeah, I'm running the roxio cineplay for bluray 3d and it works perfectly. I just watched legends of the guardians in bluray 3d with the family last night (mediocre movie with awesome visuals, btw), and there was not a single glitch, skip, or anything, perfect. It doesn't have all the bells & whistles tmt has (no windows media center integration for example), but it's much more affordable. The only real complaint I have with it is that it doesn't have a demo version to try out before you buy it, so you kinda have to take a risk on it, but I'm personally glad I did.

That TW610ST looks nice, but I will say brightness has never been a complaint with my pro350w

Incidentally, I've been extremely pleased with the recent AMD driver improvements - no more registry hacking needed, and bluray 3d works with nearly no configuration in the TMT demo or Roxio (cyberlink demo crashes on my PC for some reason...).



Also, I've been a fan of iz3d for a while; kinda started when I was running dual projector. They're the best driver for a dual-proj setup by far. But since tridef is now half-price with an AMD card, I went ahead and tried it again last week. I've been really impressed! I wouldn't say it's 'better' than iz3d, but at some games it clearly is, and its compatibility seems much higher than I thought, pretty much up to the level of iz3d. Now I'm glad I have both.


Everything seems to be getting a lot easier lately Looking forward to the 3dxl bringing that one step further.
post #1080 of 1340
Anyone having issues with sync?
I am using a WDTV Live media player with 15ft long HDMI and whne watching a movie I see a split second blue flash about every 30 minutes (it varries) Not my previous projector the HD65 never did this and its not the WDTV Live (because i have 3 of them and i've rotated them and they all do it onlyon the HD66) Does this projector maybe not like the 25ft HDMI? I'm leaning to wards that since i have a 30ft component cable run upstairs to my Xbox360 and I've played Xbox360 on it and no interuptions at all. Just while watching movies which is HDMI
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