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post #1141 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Number6 View Post

A PS3 + 3D-XL will work fine, if you can get your hands on a 3D-XL (or one of the adapters from a competing company). A PC will also work but that will take more experimentation since there are so many different hardware and software combinations.

Thanks mate. Any suggestions on other adapters to use and accompanying glasses?

Can get this projector for $1kNZD which is an absolute bloody steal!
post #1142 of 1340
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Originally Posted by kopkiwi View Post

Thanks mate. Any suggestions on other adapters to use and accompanying glasses?

Can get this projector for $1kNZD which is an absolute bloody steal!

It's a nice little projector for the money.

Unfortunately the other adapter alternatives to the 3D-XL that will play 3D Bluray via a standalone player or PS3 are not yet out either. One is from Viewsonic, see the VP3D1 box at http://www.viewsonic.com/ces2011/projectors.htm

The other I know about is from VIP products. They have an adapter out now that will play PS3 games but not 3D Bluray movies. The game adapter is available at http://www.curtpalme.com/3DGamer.shtm and they have promised an adapter that will work with both movies and games on the PS3 in the future.

I'm currently using an HTPC. I had to put it together from scratch since my existing PCs were too old but if you have a PC that is fairly new you might just need to add a couple of components.

I use the Ultra-Clear DLP-Link glasses from http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/uldlpliwi3dg.html - CurtPalme has them in black though they are a bit more expensive: http://www.curtpalme.com/DLPLinkGlasses.shtm
post #1143 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Number6 View Post

It's a nice little projector for the money.

Unfortunately the other adapter alternatives to the 3D-XL that will play 3D Bluray via a standalone player or PS3 are not yet out either. One is from Viewsonic, see the VP3D1 box at http://www.viewsonic.com/ces2011/projectors.htm

The other I know about is from VIP products. They have an adapter out now that will play PS3 games but not 3D Bluray movies. The game adapter is available at http://www.curtpalme.com/3DGamer.shtm and they have promised an adapter that will work with both movies and games on the PS3 in the future.

I'm currently using an HTPC. I had to put it together from scratch since my existing PCs were too old but if you have a PC that is fairly new you might just need to add a couple of components.

I use the Ultra-Clear DLP-Link glasses from http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/uldlpliwi3dg.html - CurtPalme has them in black though they are a bit more expensive: http://www.curtpalme.com/DLPLinkGlasses.shtm

Thanks a lot for the information! Much appreciated.

Looks like holding out for 3D-XL will be the order of the day. Any idea on a definite arrival date?
post #1144 of 1340
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Originally Posted by kopkiwi View Post

Looks like holding out for 3D-XL will be the order of the day. Any idea on a definite arrival date?

No definite date. On the "official" thread at http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1306742 the latest word is that they should be available sometime over the next few weeks. I suspect it may be early March but that is just a guess.
post #1145 of 1340
Any idea on the reason for the delay?
post #1146 of 1340
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Originally Posted by kopkiwi View Post

Any idea on the reason for the delay?

the main reason i think is they are now shipping with the new z201 glasses and they were meant to come with the older z101 glasses. The z201 are just out now so i think thats the main reason. I am in the UK and it looks like the
3dxl will be out the third week in February. So the states should be around the same time or not long after.
post #1147 of 1340
Anyone know how to connect the Wii to the HD66? I got a component coupler from ebay to use with the VGA adapter. What I got was a 4:3 image that was projected under my screen. I have no idea how to fix this.
post #1148 of 1340
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Originally Posted by HOOPY View Post
the main reason i think is they are now shipping with the new z201 glasses and they were meant to come with the older z101 glasses. The z201 are just out now so i think thats the main reason. I am in the UK and it looks like the
3dxl will be out the third week in February. So the states should be around the same time or not long after.
Should be interesting tring to get one shipped to NZ

Are there any screen captures in the thread? Can we get some posted up?

Need something to convince the missus with.
post #1149 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Railroad5 View Post

Anyone know how to connect the Wii to the HD66? I got a component coupler from ebay to use with the VGA adapter. What I got was a 4:3 image that was projected under my screen. I have no idea how to fix this.

I run the component out from the Wii to my receiver which then upconverts to 720p or 1080i over HDMI. That works for me, I don't know if you have a similar option. I haven't tried component directly to the HD66 from the Wii.
post #1150 of 1340
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Originally Posted by kopkiwi View Post


Should be interesting tring to get one shipped to NZ

Are there any screen captures in the thread? Can we get some posted up?

Need something to convince the missus with.

Hey mate,

Just bought my hd66 in Aus from www.digitalcentre.com.au. The sales manager confirmed they will be selling the 3dxl when it becomes available. I got the projector for $799 which was a great price for down here. I suspect the price for the 3dxl from them will also be competitive for a retailer in this region. It doesn't say international shipping on their site but you are not far away. I'm sure they would ship one over the water for you.

cheers

Steve
post #1151 of 1340
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Originally Posted by TK421 View Post

Hey mate,

Just bought my hd66 in Aus from www.digitalcentre.com.au. The sales manager confirmed they will be selling the 3dxl when it becomes available. I got the projector for $799 which was a great price for down here. I suspect the price for the 3dxl from them will also be competitive for a retailer in this region. It doesn't say international shipping on their site but you are not far away. I'm sure they would ship one over the water for you.

cheers

Steve

Thanks mate.
post #1152 of 1340
I finally hooked up an HTPC to the HD66. I set the resoultion at 720p 120hz and was having a hard time getting rid of the jagged lines on the edges of faces and where there was little bits of light in blu rays and vob rips. I could not get the settings right to get rid of these until I switched it from 120hz to 60hz. Now the pics look good and it seems the jagged edges have gone.

I am worried about 3d though. I want to use this a little for 3d and have been trying Totalmedia theater 5. I do not have glasses yet but the picture looks blurry when I set it in 3d mode. Does the output resolution with my HTPC have to be 120hz for 3d through TMT or can I leave it at 60hz?

I am using an hd4670 card with hdmi output. It would be a pain to have to switch the output every time I want to watch 3d. Or will TMT automatically switch it to 120hz if I pick the setting 120hx projector in the 3d settings? When I try the 3d in TMT at 60hz it is blurry as well like it is outputting but I need to get glasses to really check it out.

thanks
post #1153 of 1340
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Originally Posted by bubbaba View Post

I finally hooked up an HTPC to the HD66. I set the resoultion at 720p 120hz and was having a hard time getting rid of the jagged lines on the edges of faces and where there was little bits of light in blu rays and vob rips. I could not get the settings right to get rid of these until I switched it from 120hz to 60hz. Now the pics look good and it seems the jagged edges have gone.

Hmm...I'm not quite sure what you're describing in 120Hz mode although I will say that I had very visible problems when my HDMI cable run from the computer to the projector was too long. 120Hz mode really tests your cables and I had to shorten mine. The problems I saw were "sparkling" images, incorrect colors and herringbone-like lines.

One more note - when you switch to 120Hz, in least in my case, the HD66 switches to a different display mode. I adjusted my settings in 60Hz mode (using User 1) and then had to do the same again in 120Hz mode.

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Originally Posted by bubbaba View Post

I am using an hd4670 card with hdmi output. It would be a pain to have to switch the output every time I want to watch 3d. Or will TMT automatically switch it to 120hz if I pick the setting 120hx projector in the 3d settings? When I try the 3d in TMT at 60hz it is blurry as well like it is outputting but I need to get glasses to really check it out.
thanks

I'm not familiar with TMT, I've been using PowerDVD. You might be able to use 60Hz if you set the HD66 3D mode to on, however you will probably see some flicker since you're halving the frame count to each eye. Ideally you will want to fix your 120Hz issues and use that.
post #1154 of 1340
that sounds like what I was having with the sparklies, etc. My HDMI cable is only about 6 ft long and my HTPC is right next to the receiver it is running in. Maybe I will try a different cable. I used the same cable that the wdtv was running on, but not at 120hz.

I usually get all of my HDMI cables from monoprice as I thought an HDMI cable is an HDMI cable, I wonder if a different cable would make a difference for quality.

thanks
post #1155 of 1340
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Originally Posted by bubbaba View Post

that sounds like what I was having with the sparklies, etc. My HDMI cable is only about 6 ft long and my HTPC is right next to the receiver it is running in. Maybe I will try a different cable. I used the same cable that the wdtv was running on, but not at 120hz.

I usually get all of my HDMI cables from monoprice as I thought an HDMI cable is an HDMI cable, I wonder if a different cable would make a difference for quality.

Is the HDMI going straight from the computer to the HD66 or through a receiver?

Certainly try a different cable, even try a VGA hookup if you can for test purposes. I've heard stories of people with older ATI cards having difficulty with the HDMI output signal being low and having to use an amplifier. I ended up being able to use a 25ft high speed cable from Cable Builders (http://stores.ebay.com/cablebuilders...fsub=239194319) but my card is an ATI 6850.
post #1156 of 1340
the cable is going into an onkyo tx-sr607 then to the projector. No issues with anything else, xbox 360, ps3, tivo, just the projector. It is definitely the 120hz. I tried multiple different HDMI cables and they all had the same artifacts. Only goes away with 60hz change. Not sure if another cable will work, if I spend mucho dinero for a really good one, or if I should just change the hd4670 card out. I had read good things about the 4670 prior to buying it though.
post #1157 of 1340
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Originally Posted by bubbaba View Post

the cable is going into an onkyo tx-sr607 then to the projector. No issues with anything else, xbox 360, ps3, tivo, just the projector. It is definitely the 120hz. I tried multiple different HDMI cables and they all had the same artifacts. Only goes away with 60hz change. Not sure if another cable will work, if I spend mucho dinero for a really good one, or if I should just change the hd4670 card out. I had read good things about the 4670 prior to buying it though.

Have you tried going directly from the computer to the HD66, at least as a basic test? That is what I'm currently doing, I had trouble trying to push 120Hz through my receiver path. I have a switch so that I can run both my receiver and HTPC into the HD66.
post #1158 of 1340
ATI drivers used to have a setting called "Alternate DVI operational mode" under the HDTV menu, trying turning that on / off ???
post #1159 of 1340
Right after I posted I thought of going straight to my projector and the problem went away on 120HZ, so it is the receiver that is causing the problem. I did not want to use a switch but I guess I may have to.

Thanks for your help Number6. I really do not want to upgrade the receiver, just a little bit of a bummer, but thanks to your help I think I isolated the problem.
post #1160 of 1340
Maybe someone already covered this but I wanted to make sure that the HD66 does 5:5 pulldown? Because i'm noticing a lot of motion judder that shouldn't exist with a 120hz projector. could it be possible that it does a 3:2 pulldown and those for some reason double that 60hz. Because I know that when watching a 3d movie it does 60hz per eye.
post #1161 of 1340
I don't think it takes signals other than 120hz and displays them at 120hz. You have to achieve the 120hz before it inputs to the projector.
post #1162 of 1340
John is correct. The HD66 won't display 120hz unless it is fed a 120hz signal. So pulldown issues (or lack of pulldown issues) will be determined by the software making the 120hz signal.

For 2D material, if you have software that will do 5/5 pulldown, then you are good to go.
post #1163 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Number6 View Post

It's a nice little projector for the money.

Unfortunately the other adapter alternatives to the 3D-XL that will play 3D Bluray via a standalone player or PS3 are not yet out either. One is from Viewsonic, see the VP3D1 box at http://www.viewsonic.com/ces2011/projectors.htm

The other I know about is from VIP products. They have an adapter out now that will play PS3 games but not 3D Bluray movies. The game adapter is available at http://www.curtpalme.com/3DGamer.shtm and they have promised an adapter that will work with both movies and games on the PS3 in the future.

I'm currently using an HTPC. I had to put it together from scratch since my existing PCs were too old but if you have a PC that is fairly new you might just need to add a couple of components.

I use the Ultra-Clear DLP-Link glasses from http://www.ultimate3dheaven.com/uldlpliwi3dg.html - CurtPalme has them in black though they are a bit more expensive: http://www.curtpalme.com/DLPLinkGlasses.shtm

Is it just me? Am I the only one that thinks the Viewsonic box looks a whole lot like the Optoma box (As in, Optoma making it for Viewsonic.)?
post #1164 of 1340
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Originally Posted by kopkiwi View Post

Thanks a lot for the information! Much appreciated.

Looks like holding out for 3D-XL will be the order of the day. Any idea on a definite arrival date?

Optoma announced yesterday that they will ship to dealers by Friday. See their Facebook page. Still nothing on the "official" US site that I can find.
post #1165 of 1340
The Viewsonic seems to be a clone of the Optoma box, just like with their DLP glasses.

There is an interesting article about 24p here: http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm

and a long-running thread on 120Hz 5:5 puldown here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1147597
post #1166 of 1340
Alright
SO I figured out the 120hz thing and have the projector directly hooked up via HDMI to my video card, HD4670 now I am having issues with the 3d not displaying correctly.

I have the hd66 with 3d on, I have the display at 720p 120hz, I have TMT5 trial installed and set at AMD HD3d, I also installed Stereoscopic player and chose AMD Stereo driver for viewing method (not sure if I needed this or not)
I bought the DLP link glasses from ultimate3dheaven so they are the ultraclear glasses.
I am trying to play Resident evil 3d. I cannot get the 3d to play clear, there is still ghosting of the image, it is somewhat in 3d but not clear at all. Am I missing something?

I also tried power dvd10 and it says that it cannot find a 3d projector for some reason. Do I need a high speed HDMI cable? I just have it hooked up with a regular HDMI cable that all other video goes through fine.

thanks for anyones help.
post #1167 of 1340
The ATI 4xxx series is supposedly not capable of hd3d, so it's likely that it's not detecting a 3d display (because of the card) and not enabling; What you're seeing in tmt is probably the anaglyph mode. With that card, stereoscopic player is really the only thing that will work well. To get hd3d capability, it requires a 5xxx or 6xxx card.
post #1168 of 1340
Well shoot, just my luck. I will have to return to Amazon.
I just ordered off Amazon this card, should this work??
Sapphire Radeon HD5770 Vapor-X 1 GB DDR5 2DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort PCI-Express Video Card 100283VX-2L

thanks
post #1169 of 1340
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Originally Posted by bubbaba View Post

I just ordered off Amazon this card, should this work??
Sapphire Radeon HD5770 Vapor-X 1 GB DDR5 2DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort PCI-Express Video Card 100283VX-2L

Other users have reported success with that card so I think you should be good.

In the meantime if you want to experiment with some 3D clips I would suggest downloading a couple of movies from http://www.3dtv.at/Movies/Index_en.aspx (I like The Eye 3D Trailer) and playing them with Stereoscopic Player's Software Pageflipping Viewing Method. You might have some glitches but you can get a feel for what it should look like and verify that everything else is working in your system.
post #1170 of 1340
Downloaded some clips and they work great so just need to wait and switch out the cards on Monday.

Thanks for everyones help, hopefully I will be up and running on Monday.
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