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post #1171 of 1340
Has anyone done 3-D in letterbox mode on the HD66 with an anamorphic lens ?

Just wondering what 3-D would look like in letterbox on a HD66 with an anamorphic lens ? Even a DIY anamorphic lens would be cool..Anyone do it yet ?
post #1172 of 1340
Sorry to keep bugging everyone but I just can't seem to get 3d blu ray working on my htpc.

I installed the new hd5770 today. powered up the trial TMT5 and checked the HD3D mode and still not getting the 3d effect. I have the ultra clears on and all I see is the red around the shapes that is supposed to be the 3d but no 3d effect. I had really good results with the downloaded clips in stereoscopic player so something just isn't clicking for 3d blu ray.
I also tried the trial of Powerdvd 10 and this just pops up a box that says cannot enable 3d try a different 3d display device. I have auto detect for the settings in Powerdvd.
I have the HDMI cable running directly to the HD66, I have 3d on in the menu settings. I went through all the settings in CCC and disabled all of the picture settings for color, acceleration etc. I have the display set at 720p 120hz.

Not sure what else to do, The new card did take my rating in widows from 5.9 to 7.4 but this does not help my 3d problems.
Could it be the blu ray player? Could it be the HDMI cable, it works for everything else and 3d through stereoscopic.
Do the trials of Powerdvd and TMT 5 let you trial 3d?
thanks for anyones help.
post #1173 of 1340
bubbaba,
Have you looked in the Acer H5360 projector thread ?
There is a ton of information on getting 3-D movies going and many people that can and will help with 3-D in that thread.
post #1174 of 1340
bubbaba: the acer thread reference is probably correct - usually when you get what you describe on ATI it means the driver isn't enabling 3d. Usually that happens because the edid isn't recognized by the ATI driver as a 3d device, which for whatever reason happens quite a bit with the acer, so there's a LOT of discussion of the workarounds.

For reference, though, what's your OS and catalyst driver version? (It didn't detect 3d devices most of the time until December's version)

If you have iz3d installed, you can check whether it's detecting properly very quickly by going to the diagnostics output in the iz3d control panel. The last line will say AQBS supported or unsupported - if it says unsupported that confirms that your display isn't being detected by the driver (or the driver is out of date).
post #1175 of 1340
I finally made my pdvd10 work with 3d files, showing 3d (I don't have glasses
but image is double, so I assume it is 3d). The idea is to make ATI card suppert Quad Buffering. Sview and Stereoscopic players somehow figured this
out and turn it on without any registry changes. PDVD10 Ultra and TMT5 apparently didn't. So those who still has no luck in seing 3d I would really
recommend to fire up regedit and do it(inefect described it earlier in this thread I believe at post #827 or somewhere around that).
P.S. After spending countless hours with my new HTPC/gaming PC I begin to understand those who wait for stand alone solutions. I had to go through it
as I am playing Flight SIms quite often and in those 3D is very helpfull.
post #1176 of 1340
Or, those like yourself that did it on the HTPC and can't wait to change it to a stand alone converter product!!

As you gain more experience with it, you will run into more quirks. Those are what will really drive you to the stand alone converter.
post #1177 of 1340
Well, upgraded to a hd6850 today thinking this may do the trick as I want to do 3d bluray without having to copy to hardrive first. I looked on the AMD website on what was supported and it said that for 3d bluray I needed a 6000 series card. It also listed the HD66 as a supported display. SO I thought this should do it. I hooked everything up and still no luck.

I checked the Acer thread as suggested and read a bunch. I downloaded IZ3D and did the diagnositc and it was saying that the quad buffer stereo support was not supported. So I did the DALForceStereoSupport registry hack and this seemed to have worked. the quad buffer stereo support changed to supported and the 3d bluray of Resdient Evil seems to be working both in TMT5 and Power Dvd.

Just wondering though why I had to do the registry hack if the card is supported to do 3d blu ray and the HD66 is a supported device?
by the way my OS is windows 7 home premium 64 bit and I have the latest Catalyst drivers, looks like they updated today even. I have always downloaded the latest from the site rather than the disk.

thanks for everyones help. Just need to return the 4670 and the 5770 cards now.
post #1178 of 1340
Quote:
Originally Posted by bubbaba View Post

Well, upgraded to a hd6850 today

Just need to return the 4670 and the 5770 cards now.

That ATI 5770 might work now that you did the hack.
Also if you won't be gaming you could go as cheap as an ATI 5450 512meg for 3-D Blu-ray.

There are people on the Acer thread using just ATI 5450 512meg cards.
If you want to save money and only play 2-D & 3-D movies I think you could make an ATI 5450 work.

I think they also say on the Acer thread that Windows-7 32bit is less trouble than 64bit to get 3-D working under.
post #1179 of 1340
It's really strange, I've never had trouble on 64 bit. Honestly, given that so few hd66 owners had an issue, I thought it was more related to the acer projector. Since the december drivers, I think you're the first hd66 owner I've heard have the problem.
post #1180 of 1340
Learnt Optoma going to release this 3D box, I ordered HW536 (about an HD66 equivalent) projector together with this box last Dec in HK. Got the 3D box shipped by end Jan. Here are some impression:

1/ Very impressive. Optoma projector + 3D box, a perfect match to me. (I used a Panasonic projector before. Color-wise, HW536 is much more superior, but it comes with a few non-intrusive rainbow effects.)

2/ My 3D set up:
PS3 (video) -> 3D-XL (HDMI) -> HW536;
PS3 (audio) -> Onkyo Amp (TX-SR803, very old model, thru optical cable)
3D Blu-ray & 3D games run without any hassle, yet needing occasional adjustment of "3D sync invert" for no reason. This is just a few key presses on the remote.

3/ 3D-XL comes with 1 pair of ZD201 3D glasses. It did not come with my order yet and I have to wait till early March. I ordered 3 pairs of ZD101. They comfortably fit all my family members. However, ZD101 may be too big for kids below eight to wear.

4/ The vision thru ZD101 may need a few minutes for you to adapt to. After that, you could stay with it for hours. I got a couple of 3D movies from Amazon, that include documentories and cartoons. All play gorgeously. You will see if you get to it.

5/ An interesting thing to note is that 3D-XL supports SBS as well. I don't know what it represents before (SBS: side-by-side) until I got a 3D video (horror movie) from Japan which was shot in SBS format. Initially, I got a (compressed) split screen which showed left eye screen on the left and right on the right. So I thought 3D-XL might not support this format. Later on, when I did a bit more "homework" over internet, I recognized that it should work. What I missed was a match of these two: on the video disc, it says this is a Side-by-Side 3D video; on 3D-XL, it has a button marked SBS. A press of SBS button solved this. Wow! However, as new Blu-ray discs are not produced this way, so I suppose none of you would encounter this problem.

6/ 3D-XL has two inputs and we don't have 3D broadcast here, so I tried to connect my other HDMI video (2D) device and output to HW536 thru 3D-XL. Result is acceptable but definitely not good. It seems this box has no video pass-thru and convert all input to "interlaced" mode. The video quality is obvious degraded if any HD output is processed thru 3D-XL to projector. The blurring is obvious especially for fast moving objects.

7/ Seems 3D-XL must be the last device before projector. I tried this:
PS3 (HDMI video+audio) -> 3D-XL -> Onkyo Amp -> HW536: result: 3D video ok; loss of main sound track; (haven't tried with 2D video.)
DVD player (HDMI video + audio) -> 3D-XL -> Onkyo Amp -> HW536: result: Blank screen and no sound though the player looks running fine.
This might be obvious as 3D-XL will process all signals that is good for a DLP projector, and not for an AV amp, and, is not supposed to preserve, say, sound tracks.

Don't know if result of this connection would be different for HDMI 1.4a compatible Amp. My bet would be a "no".

Hope you will find the same when you get it.

Enjoy 3D-ing!
post #1181 of 1340
I'm trying to get a handle on throw range/image positioning. I am doing a 112" 2.35 DIY screen and ceiling mounting the HD66. The screen will start exactly at 17.5 inches from the ceiling. According to the projector centrals calculator, figuring at least 6 or more inches from ceiling to centerline (just ordered the mount) of the lens that will put me 20 inches down. Does that sound right?

I'm begining to think I'lll need to move to a projector with vertical shift if that is the case. I haven't bought the HD66 yet.
post #1182 of 1340
I'm considering getting one of these but I would like to see one in action first. Does anyone have an HD66 set up anywhere near the Tampa Bay area of Florida that would let me drop in and take a look?

Walt O
post #1183 of 1340
Quote:
Originally Posted by hwcheng View Post

Learnt Optoma going to release this 3D box, I ordered HW536 (about an HD66 equivalent) projector together with this box last Dec in HK. Got the 3D box shipped by end Jan. Here are some impression:

1/ Very impressive. Optoma projector + 3D box, a perfect match to me. (I used a Panasonic projector before. Color-wise, HW536 is much more superior, but it comes with a few non-intrusive rainbow effects.)

2/ My 3D set up:
PS3 (video) -> 3D-XL (HDMI) -> HW536;
PS3 (audio) -> Onkyo Amp (TX-SR803, very old model, thru optical cable)
3D Blu-ray & 3D games run without any hassle, yet needing occasional adjustment of "3D sync invert" for no reason. This is just a few key presses on the remote.

3/ 3D-XL comes with 1 pair of ZD201 3D glasses. It did not come with my order yet and I have to wait till early March. I ordered 3 pairs of ZD101. They comfortably fit all my family members. However, ZD101 may be too big for kids below eight to wear.

4/ The vision thru ZD101 may need a few minutes for you to adapt to. After that, you could stay with it for hours. I got a couple of 3D movies from Amazon, that include documentories and cartoons. All play gorgeously. You will see if you get to it.

5/ An interesting thing to note is that 3D-XL supports SBS as well. I don't know what it represents before (SBS: side-by-side) until I got a 3D video (horror movie) from Japan which was shot in SBS format. Initially, I got a (compressed) split screen which showed left eye screen on the left and right on the right. So I thought 3D-XL might not support this format. Later on, when I did a bit more "homework" over internet, I recognized that it should work. What I missed was a match of these two: on the video disc, it says this is a Side-by-Side 3D video; on 3D-XL, it has a button marked SBS. A press of SBS button solved this. Wow! However, as new Blu-ray discs are not produced this way, so I suppose none of you would encounter this problem.

6/ 3D-XL has two inputs and we don't have 3D broadcast here, so I tried to connect my other HDMI video (2D) device and output to HW536 thru 3D-XL. Result is acceptable but definitely not good. It seems this box has no video pass-thru and convert all input to "interlaced" mode. The video quality is obvious degraded if any HD output is processed thru 3D-XL to projector. The blurring is obvious especially for fast moving objects.

7/ Seems 3D-XL must be the last device before projector. I tried this:
PS3 (HDMI video+audio) -> 3D-XL -> Onkyo Amp -> HW536: result: 3D video ok; loss of main sound track; (haven't tried with 2D video.)
DVD player (HDMI video + audio) -> 3D-XL -> Onkyo Amp -> HW536: result: Blank screen and no sound though the player looks running fine.
This might be obvious as 3D-XL will process all signals that is good for a DLP projector, and not for an AV amp, and, is not supposed to preserve, say, sound tracks.

Don't know if result of this connection would be different for HDMI 1.4a compatible Amp. My bet would be a "no".

Hope you will find the same when you get it.

Enjoy 3D-ing!

Thanks for taking the time to give everybody the quality information. Optoma USA hasn't sent me the setup yet but I heard my friend has Tzungilin The Boss in Taiwan working on it. Looks like it's a licensing problem causing the delay here.
Thanks again for the info sounds promising
post #1184 of 1340
I'm thinking of getting a optoma hd66 but was wondering if there's a way to get local hd channels(for sports)on it without getting a hd cable box from comcast.I have a pioneer 1120k A/V receiver would I be able to connect a hd antenna to it & send it to the optoma
post #1185 of 1340
No Video tuners in AVR's.... You would need what is called a DTV Tuner set top box to get free OTA DTV.

If buying for 3D? Seriously consider DirectTV. The five 3D channels are actually pretty darn decent. Even at this early stage. I feel I have plenty fo 3D content these days. Of course this gives you all your OTA locals in HD as well.
post #1186 of 1340
i don't think there any 3-D contents OTA afaik.
post #1187 of 1340
I'm confused about this model and wonder if someone can help.

My main desire is for 3D movies and games. So if I guy this projector what else do I need for 3D? Right now I have the PS3, but I'm building a HTPC.

Am I right that to use PS3 I'd have to buy an adapter for like $400? If so, that's out so since I'm building a HTPC, what g-card(s) and accessories would I need?

Right now it's between this model and the acer H5360.
post #1188 of 1340
Quote:
Originally Posted by RebelCapitalist View Post

My main desire is for 3D movies and games. So if I guy this projector what else do I need for 3D? Right now I have the PS3, but I'm building a HTPC.

Am I right that to use PS3 I'd have to buy an adapter for like $400? If so, that's out so since I'm building a HTPC, what g-card(s) and accessories would I need?

For PS3 3D you will need an adapter. If you only care about 3D games on the PS3 and not 3D Blu-ray then an adapter is available for less than $200 at http://www.curtpalme.com/3DGamer.shtm

If you want to use the PS3 for 3D gaming and Blu-ray then the adapter (such as the 3D-XL) will be closer to $400.

As for an HTPC there are so many configurations it is difficult to recommend just one. The main thing to decide is whether you are going to go the NVIDIA or AMD/Radeon graphics card route. With NVIDIA you will have to pay the "3D Vision tax" but you can use IR or DLP-link glasses. If you go AMD it is easiest to use the DLP-link glasses. I went the AMD route but I'm not doing gaming.

One more note: Acer is working on an HDMI 1.4 3D capable version of their projector - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1318769 - that would mean PS3 3D without an adapter. I don't know when it will be available.
post #1189 of 1340
Quote:
Originally Posted by Number6 View Post

For PS3 3D you will need an adapter. If you only care about 3D games on the PS3 and not 3D Blu-ray then an adapter is available for less than $200 at http://www.curtpalme.com/3DGamer.shtm

If you want to use the PS3 for 3D gaming and Blu-ray then the adapter (such as the 3D-XL) will be closer to $400.

As for an HTPC there are so many configurations it is difficult to recommend just one. The main thing to decide is whether you are going to go the NVIDIA or AMD/Radeon graphics card route. With NVIDIA you will have to pay the "3D Vision tax" but you can use IR or DLP-link glasses. If you go AMD it is easiest to use the DLP-link glasses. I went the AMD route but I'm not doing gaming.

One more note: Acer is working on an HDMI 1.4 3D capable version of their projector - http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1318769 - that would mean PS3 3D without an adapter. I don't know when it will be available.


Yeah, I went back and forth a lot, but I'm thinking that since I'm building a HTPC anyway, I don't care much about the PS3. Would love to not use it.

I'll probably go with an Nvidia card just because it seems like the less hassle way to do it, even though I'm an AMD guy. DLP-link is great since family has these glasses already with their Mits TVs, so I'm guessing they could just bring them over to watch some projector action.

Still trying to figure out if there's a difference between the Acer H5360 and this HD66.
post #1190 of 1340
Has anyone calibrated the HD66 for 2D content other than the Out-of-the-Box settings or the limited settings that were suggested by the initial HD66 review?

Would like to trade and try different calibration settings. Thanks...
post #1191 of 1340
you should use calibration discs like Disney's WOW or munsel$*# BD.
post #1192 of 1340
I have noticed that TotalMedia Theatre 5 has a option for software based 3d decoding where it requires more processing power but doesnt require one of the latest video cards with hardware decoding built in. Has anyone ever tested this?
post #1193 of 1340
Very close to convincing the missus to letting me pick this up.

The final push is showing her how bright is and the PQ.

Could ask a huge favour of a few people to post some pictures for me? Have had a good look through the thread but cannot find anything.
post #1194 of 1340
Bump
post #1195 of 1340
3D is something you have to experience. It can't be explain just like Matrix.
post #1196 of 1340
Quote:
Originally Posted by kopkiwi View Post

Very close to convincing the missus to letting me pick this up.

The final push is showing her how bright is and the PQ.

Could ask a huge favour of a few people to post some pictures for me? Have had a good look through the thread but cannot find anything.

Have a look at the hd65 thread. Lots of great pics in there.
Looking at 3d screenshots is pretty much useless.
post #1197 of 1340
I didn't mean a 3D screenshot. Am very aware that's a waste of time. Just something to impress the missus with.
post #1198 of 1340
This is something I took a few weeks ago. The picture is a little blurry because its 3D but you can see how nice a bright the picture is. This is a 106" screen.

All I can tell you is that this projector has a pretty darn good picture overall.
LL
post #1199 of 1340
Anybody used the 3d XL adapter with this projector, dying for the review.
post #1200 of 1340
Quote:
Originally Posted by manish26264 View Post

Anybody used the 3d XL adapter with this projector, dying for the review.

There is a 3dxl owners thread located below. You will find some reviews there:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1306742

I have had my 3dxl and HD66 for a while now and am enjoying them. When using 3D glasses, you lose some light but the HD66 is a very bright projector so it's not a big problem.

I have been watching a lot of Blu-Rays and 3D programming from DirecTV. All look fantastic with no ghosting. The only warning I would give is to make sure you have the projector setup correctly. When I first got my 3dxl, I fiddled a lot with the color, contrast and brightness on the projector to get a good 3D image. Expect to play with those settings for a few days.

Tonight I will be watching Tron: Legacy in 3D. Can't wait!
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