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post #211 of 1340
I'm waiting for someone to hook up 3D. All this talk but no one really seems to have the answers most of us want. My honest guess is that this projector is so cheap that it will not support anything but a computer 3D system. I doubt it will be able to read Comcast or PS3 blu ray source.

well im sure if a computer can do 3-d on this i cant see why a bluray player, ps3, or comcast receivers can send a 3-d signal. if not im sure there will be a 3-d bluray drive for computers so you can play 3-d on this projector.


Think about it, if you were a company, why wouldn't you gloat the fact that your projector can play all 3D sources if it could. It's cause it can't. They came out with this projector and Tagged it 3D so people could go out and buy it. They're trying to make a few extra bucks by saying that there projector has a feature that others don't even if it is not fully versatile in the feature.

-well not every company spends millions of dollars in advertisements, ie LG, Sony, Microsoft ect. instead they use it for r&d. so with the amount of money they saved from advertising we got a cheaper projector.

Reading in projector central's review you can easily tell that they state

Projector Central

"You will need a 3D signal source, such as a computer with a powerful graphics card, and one pair of active shutter glasses compatible with DLP Link for each viewer. Keep in mind that the fact that a projector is capable of showing 3D does not mean that it will be compatible with all 3D signal sources in the future. But if you are in the market for an inexpensive home theater projector and want to have the 3D experience, the HD66 will give you just that "

You can clearly see that projector central believe it only works with computers. All you people buying this projector because of 3D are crazy, unless it's to use with a computer.


-well right now computers are the only hardware that supports 3-d games, i think some ps3 games do 3-d now. so until there is a 3-d bluray player we will not know if any of the "3-D" TV will be capable of playing the movies, any one remember hdcp.

Why not just wait. Optoma is obviously not providing the information which they should, so why would you give them the benifit of the doubt. Users have said that techs don't know the answers nor do managers and ultamately they can only confirm computer source.

Save your money. I've read the whole thread and would really love to sell my HC720 and buy one for the 3D, but if a company is purposely not providing info and misleading info then they don't deserve your purchase. By misleading I mean, look at all the differences in specs that each website has. BB is saying 2000-3000 Bulb life, but others saying 3000-4000. They are not even posting the price of this bulb yet. I call them and they told me $185, but it's on back order. Guarantee thats what they tell you know, so everyone buys it, thinking cheap bulbs will come, but once we all buy they will raise the price to something outrageous. Why would bulbs not be available right now, simply because they don't want to have to list the real price of them, while everyone buys up the projector, only to find out they are more expensive. I'm not saying I woun't buy this projector, but it wouldn't be for cheap bulb, bulb life, or 3D, it should only be because you like the quality of the image displayed in 2D.


well im from canada and buying from a canadian source they said the price for the bulb is 175 with shipping. and they said it is 3000-4000 hours.

AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED UNTIL SOMEONE POST 3D SOURCE FROM SOMETHING OTHER THAN COMPUTER I'M DEFINATELY SKEPTICAL OF ANY OTHER SOURCE UNTIL I SEE IT SETUP. DON'T GIVE OPTOMA THE BENIFIT OF THE DOUBT. DONT' BUY THIS AND WAIT AROUND FOR $50 GLASSES. I'M SURE EPSON HAS SOMETHING UP THEIR SLEEVE. AND THEIR CUSTOMER SERVICE IS BETTER.


if optoma did not come out with the hd66 i would of bought the hd65. with a cheaper bulb and 3-d can not go wrong. doesnt bother me if the 3d doesnt look good, this is mainly for watching movies in 2-d

who knows if epson will ever come out with a 3d projector if so when?
post #212 of 1340
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Originally Posted by cabral91 View Post

i Just got my first projector the HD66 and was wondering if anyone had some calibration settings they could share.

thanks

this is from a board memeber consciousness its on page 3 or 4
PROJECTOR

IMAGE
Display Mode: User 1
Brightness: 48
Contrast: 45
Sharpness: 7
Saturation: 47
Tint: 49
Advanced
Degamma: PC ( Seems to give those inky blacks w/out sacrificing detail combined with other settings)
Brilliant Color: 5
Color Temp: Warm
Color
Red Gain: 4
Green Gain: 0
Blue Gain: -5
Red Bias: -2
Green Bias: -2
Blue Bias: -2
Color Space: YUV

DISPLAY
Format: Native
Screen Type: 16x9

OPTIONS
Lamp Settings: STD

PS3

DISPLAY SETTINGS
HDMI 720p
RGB Full Range: On
Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr Super-White (HDMI): On

VIDEO SETTINGS

BD/DVD Video Output Format (HDMI): Y Pb/Cb Pr/Cr
BD 1080p 24 Hz Output (HDMI): On
post #213 of 1340
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Originally Posted by RealFloopyGuy View Post

You may not have considered this.. but you can put a 16:10 image in a 16:9 screen just fine. At 100 inches you are only going to be like 2-3 inches difference height from 16:10 to 16:9. The difference is minor at best. You could always zoom the picture in a few inches and lose an inch or two on either side. If you put a 16:10 image on a 16:9 screen you might lose a couple inches left to right. If you are going to mount the screen and put a border around it, you can make the 16:9 screen a 16:10 with a border.

I found this great site and took a look for myself. This was my biggest concern over this projector. The other is that costco offers the hd65 while the hd66 is not sold there yet. Costco extends the warranty for a year for free.

According to this, you are going to have two 5" vertical black bars if you downsize it to 16:9. 5" is pretty significant on a 100" screen. When you get to larger sizes it even sticks out more.

Seeing that HDTV is mostly 16:9 at this point as well as a number of films, you are really fitting a round peg into a square hole.

I can deal with the bars on the top and bottom for 2.35:1 as I did with 16:9 on 4:3 when DVD first came out. 4:3 has always bothered me a little on 16:9. With a 16:10 on a 16:9 screen, you are always going to have black bars somewhere (well except on my windows desktop).

I am not sure if I am going to get this one. Its ashame, because I really like the specs better in terms of brightness. I am replacing my PH530.

http://tvcalculator.com/

TV 1
inches
5:4 4:3 16:10 16:9 aspect ratio
pixels wide
pixels high
Viewable Image Info:
Image Dimensions: 87.18" x 48.98"
Image area: 4270.08 sq. in.

General TV Info:
Equivalent 4:3 TV: 81.5"
Pixel Density: 184 pixels / sq. in.TV 2
inches
5:4 4:3 16:10 16:9 aspect ratio
pixels wide
pixels high
Viewable Image Info:
Image Dimensions: 78.86" x 49.29"
Image area: 3887.01 sq. in.

General TV Info:
Equivalent 4:3 TV: 82"
Equivalent 16:9 TV: 90.5"
Pixel Density: 202 pixels / sq. in.
post #214 of 1340
I just placed an order for the hd66. I was wonder how big will the projection be if it's placed about 10.5 inches from the screen. My current screen is 70x70 so I hope it will project bigger so I could buy a bigger screen lol.

Also. Where can I buy a replacement bulb for a backup?

EDIT: I'll be connecting this to the pc via hdmi. Will I be able to have it running 1280x800@120hz?
post #215 of 1340
Does anyone know why they chose 1280x800. Seems like a strange choice when most lcds and laptop seems to be moving toward 16:9 instead of 16:10. My laptop from 2006 was this res and my daughters is too. I am getting her a new one and most are using 16:9. Also seems that most LCD monitors are moving toward 16:9 now as well as it makes their size seem bigger than it is in area.

I also don't know of any 16:10 movies out there or TV shows.

any thoughts?

Not trying to start a 16:9 versus 16:10 debate here, just wondering why they would go with this for a Home theater gaming projector.

I think it would actually make sense for a business projector.
post #216 of 1340
bjmarchini, in looking at that site it appears that you'll have vertical bars on the side any time there is a 4:3 source whether have the projector set at 16:9 or 16:10. When the source is 16:9 like many HD channels and movies you only get black bars on the top. Am I seeing this right?
post #217 of 1340
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Originally Posted by UTCOUG View Post

bjmarchini, in looking at that site it appears that you'll have vertical bars on the side any time there is a 4:3 source whether have the projector set at 16:9 or 16:10. When the source is 16:9 like many HD channels and movies you only get black bars on the top. Am I seeing this right?

With the exception of 2.35:1 movies, HD TV is broadcast in 16:9. so you do not get black bars on HDTV. with a 16:10 display, the vertical is longer so you would need to shrink the horizontal to get it to fit on a 16:9 screen. hence, black bars on the side.

So when you watch the superbowl, you would get black bars UNLESS you stretch it (causing artifacts)

Furthermore, I don't know of any CE devices that source out 1280x800. They are generally 720p, 1080p or 1080i which are all 16:9.

Now if you could get it to lock the aspect ratio so that it doesn't stretch it from 720 to 800, then I wouldn't know the difference. Even 4:3 material would be ok as long as it is upconverted to 720p, or 1080. The problem is going to be a device like the Wii which is 480p.

I was reading through the manual. I think I am going with the HD66 and here is why:
  • It does have native resolution as a setting. If you send it a 720p source, it will go ahead and only use the middle 720 lines. so you will will basically send "black" light to your borders on a 16:9 screen.
  • For a 480P source, it needs to be set to 4:3 mode. It will stretch to 800 lines which again means you have 10% of your vertical lines on the screen borders. There is a correction that allows you to zoom in AND out which is nice as many projectors allow you to zoom in. It also offers individiual horizontal and vertical correction. The only device that I would have that is of issue is the Wii at 480p. I can live with this.

What is selling me on this projector is actually the lumens. You are not really getting a 2500 lumen rated 720 projector if you are indeed going to use a 16:9 aspect ratio. Going from 800 to 720, you are losing 10% of your output and hence roughly 10% of your lumens. So you are left with 2250 lumens with a 720p or 1080p device.

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HD66 PC review ...Using 720p content, the projector measured 1979 lumens. When using a 1280x800 signal from a laptop or other 16:10 source, it measured 2199 lumens, due to the use of the entire DLP chip.

If I had to guess why the projector is reviewed so out of balance on brightness and colors, I would think it is set up to compensate for 3D. It atleast makes sense to me that as these 3D glasses are going to reduce your perceived lumens, you need to boost the output level to compensate. The projector central review indicates that the lumens are far more in line with the HD65s levels once calibrated though still definitely brighter which is what we would expect from a semi-next gen device. It may explain why the HD65 was nearly pro calibrated out of the box while the HD66 is so out of balance in comparison.

So what you have is a newer gen optoma "720p" device that offers the ability to drastically improve the lumens. As the review stated, this is really handing for community gaming and sports viewing. And then it can be tone back down when in movie mode. The actual level in the review for HD66 was 1979 as opposed to the brightest mode on the HD65 of 1152

Of course, add to that the possilibility of 3D. I don't see this is a real feature worth getting it for. As was mentioned earlier, a family of four would realistically need 8-10 glasses unless guests will not be invited to watch to 3D features. At $1500 for 10 glasses, this becomes a very expensive 720p projector.

Time will hopefully bring the cost down under $50. I am think they will end up cost about as much as a remote for a Wii or something... about $40.
post #218 of 1340
On a side note. I was able to get my HD66 for $679 through J&R plus I used my Discover card which gives me an extra 5% off in rewards and an extra year of warranty through discover.

Most credit cards give you that extra year, but you need to pay the full purchase with your card.

So I made out at $645 for the 66 which is what Amazon is selling the 65 for.


free 3-5 day business shipping too.
post #219 of 1340
On slickdeals I read that someone got this for $603 by using a discover card. Bing Tigerdirect keyword HDTV.
post #220 of 1340
Dajage

Your buying this projector because you want it for something other than 3D, so you repsonse comes with a grain of salt. I'm talking those who want for
3D. I'm not sure you read the whole thread.

Did you see that even Optoma reps didn't know whether projector could play
3d on other sources. Also you state that bulb is $175, show me where that bulb is listed online for $175.

Also I'm not sure if you know this but there are different types of 3D systems, the computer has a nvidia type 3D system which uses a certain format and specific glasses of which are out of stock. No one knows yet if the PS3 or other 3D sources will use the same system, which is why projector central as well as others in the forum have expressed concern over buying this projector.

Your telling people to take a guess and hope it works with all these sources, I'm simply saying wait. You also say that bulb life is 3000-4000, well there are also others sites which say it is less, so I don't know who to believe. You also said it yourself you only care about 2D, this is meant for people who truly care about 3D. Epson may never get 3D but Optoma's may never work, so your really in the same boat.

You choose to be optimistic in the face of misinformation, but I choose to be skeptical. Your hoping everything works out fine, and I'm telling people to make sure before they spend their money only to be dissapointed.
post #221 of 1340
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Originally Posted by bjmarchini View Post

On a side note. I was able to get my HD66 for $679 through J&R plus I used my Discover card which gives me an extra 5% off in rewards and an extra year of warranty through discover.

Most credit cards give you that extra year, but you need to pay the full purchase with your card.
.

Uh discover doesn't put an extra year warranty on your purchase. I know because I work for them.. I believe its American Express that does that.

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Originally Posted by lintball View Post

On slickdeals I read that someone got this for $603 by using a discover card. Bing Tigerdirect keyword HDTV.

That was me!!! You can actually bring it down to about $568 if you can get 5% shopdiscover to work along with the bing cashback..

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Originally Posted by Evolvo View Post

Dajage

Your buying this projector because you want it for something other than 3D, so you repsonse comes with a grain of salt. I'm talking those who want for
3D. I'm not sure you read the whole thread.

Did you see that even Optoma reps didn't know whether projector could play
3d on other sources. Also you state that bulb is $175, show me where that bulb is listed online for $175.

Also I'm not sure if you know this but there are different types of 3D systems, the computer has a nvidia type 3D system which uses a certain format and specific glasses of which are out of stock. No one knows yet if the PS3 or other 3D sources will use the same system, which is why projector central as well as others in the forum have expressed concern over buying this projector.

Your telling people to take a guess and hope it works with all these sources, I'm simply saying wait. You also say that bulb life is 3000-4000, well there are also others sites which say it is less, so I don't know who to believe. You also said it yourself you only care about 2D, this is meant for people who truly care about 3D. Epson may never get 3D but Optoma's may never work, so your really in the same boat.

You choose to be optimistic in the face of misinformation, but I choose to be skeptical. Your hoping everything works out fine, and I'm telling people to make sure before they spend their money only to be dissapointed.

The projector is $699 and if its 2d capabilities is as good as the HD65 then you are a getting a great projector that is light cannon w/ a possiblity of using for 3d!!! If the bulb does cost $300 to replace then that shouldn't be a problem when thats pretty much the average prices for bulbs. As far as the life of the bulb we all know its never guaranteed how many hours you get out of the bulb. Some have gotten more than the guaranteed life some have gotten less.. I dont think people shouldn't be skeptical when Optoma is a popular and very known brand in the Projector world..
post #222 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Evolvo View Post

...You choose to be optimistic in the face of misinformation ...

post #223 of 1340
Your buying this projector because you want it for something other than 3D, so you repsonse comes with a grain of salt. I'm talking those who want for
3D. I'm not sure you read the whole thread.


well like i said im cautiously excited about the 3-d on hd66. if it doesnt perform the 3-d to mu liking than at least i have a good pojector for 2-d. the hd65 has been a top rated good seller for the past year, and since the hd66 is based off of the hd65 i think that speaks for its self.


Did you see that even Optoma reps didn't know whether projector could play
3d on other sources. Also you state that bulb is $175, show me where that bulb is listed online for $175.

the place i ordered my hd66 from is consignia.ca i asked them how much the bulbs are they said 175 plus tax and free shipping, the model number on the bulb is BL-FU185A.

Also I'm not sure if you know this but there are different types of 3D systems, the computer has a nvidia type 3D system which uses a certain format and specific glasses of which are out of stock. No one knows yet if the PS3 or other 3D sources will use the same system, which is why projector central as well as others in the forum have expressed concern over buying this projector.

well like i said before you remember before hdcp came out all the manufactures said that the hddvd/bluray players will be compatable and later on they came out with hdcp and those "hdtv" can not play the signal, it might be the same thing. infact any of the current 3-d ready tvs might not be compatable. but i dont see why a company will spend money in to R&D and not choose the right one, i am very optomistic that the hd66 will play 3-d with bd 3-d

Your telling people to take a guess and hope it works with all these sources, I'm simply saying wait. You also say that bulb life is 3000-4000, well there are also others sites which say it is less, so I don't know who to believe. You also said it yourself you only care about 2D, this is meant for people who truly care about 3D. Epson may never get 3D but Optoma's may never work, so your really in the same boat.

well as for the hours on the lamp i will take it from the manufactures mouth before asking bestbuy/futureshop. i didnt say i dont care about 3-d but if it works and it looks good than i will buy into it on my hd66, if i had 2000-3000$ to spend for a pj than i would wait till later this year or next year to buy a 3-d projector.
but i have about 800 to spend and the hd66 was in my budget. im upgrading from an old epson home10+ which i loved, probably still use it, but with the lack of hdmi it sucks now.

You choose to be optimistic in the face of misinformation, but I choose to be skeptical. Your hoping everything works out fine, and I'm telling people to make sure before they spend their money only to be dissapointed.


i dunno i think i am more cautiously optimistic about the 3-d. but i dont think they will screw people over, optoma is one of the bigger projector companies. call me naive.
just want to say this one more time, if the hd66 didnt come out i would of went with the hd65, if the 3-d works thats great if it doesnt oh well. i know what i am getting my self into before buying it.
post #224 of 1340
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Originally Posted by jay² View Post

Uh discover doesn't put an extra year warranty on your purchase. I know because I work for them.. I believe its American Express that does that.

..

It is right on the website. I found it under the benefits section of my card on discovercard.com

https://www.discovercard.com/cardmem...tendedWarranty

I think it is something new they added.

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The projector is $699 and if its 2d capabilities is as good as the HD65 then you are a getting a great projector that is light cannon w/ a possiblity of using for 3d!!! If the bulb does cost $300 to replace then that shouldn't be a problem when thats pretty much the average prices for bulbs. As far as the life of the bulb we all know its never guaranteed how many hours you get out of the bulb. Some have gotten more than the guaranteed life some have gotten less.. I dont think people shouldn't be skeptical when Optoma is a popular and very known brand in the Projector world

+1

That is why I am buying it. My Acer PH530 is literally dying on me. Its thermal sensor has been acting up for about 1 year and I can no longer keep it running for more than 1 hour with additional cooling. So I was looking at a new builb and a $200 service bill. So I am actually getting this for less than $300 in reality.

You never know with bulbs and we see more horror stories on here than praise. On my Acer, I read that folks' bulbs were dying with less than 1500 hours. I know this is not the norm, but I have 5768 hours on my original bulb and it is still working. Seriously.

I have been meaning to get a new one anyway, but am nervous blowing $200 on a bulb when my aprojector was 2+ years old. glad i didn't.

This is my 3rd projector.

Epson Home 20, PH530, and now an HD66. I have come to accept that I will upgrade my projector every 2-3 years. $700 over 24 months is $29. I pay more that than internet service. I sold my epson for $250 on ebay 2 years ago. I hope to get atleast $100 for my PH530 even though it is damaged or I may open her up and fix her myself and keep it as a second unit for the kids to play games on in their room.

It is important to remember that the HD65 is a few years old now. It isn't a bad idea to upgrade.

In terms of 3D, there really isn't any material that is out that is worth investing another $500-1000 into for 3D glasses and cards and such. I need more than Avatar. I think most folks look at this as a good HD65 upgrade for the lumens and the 3D as an added bonus. I may very well be on another projector by the time I upgrade to 3D.

It will be nice to taunt my coworker that I now have a 3D ready system. He was going on about his Sharp 92U 46" LCD TV is still better than my system. Once you get a projector, those sub 60" TVs look so small. The bragging factor can be a good reason to by alone.

The only thing that concerned me was that this is a 16:10 and I have a 16:9 screen. As this is a DLP and not an LCD, you are not going to have the gray light bars. When properly calibrated, most DLPs will give you nearly true blacks on the bars. (Its the mirrors)
post #225 of 1340
As I described a couple of pages before as long as you have 16:9 input and even Auto screen format you will never get 16:10 image (i.e. really black bars on to and bottom visible only in absolute darkness).
You will get 16:10 only for blue screen with no input or from PC input with coresponding aspect ratio. 16:10 idea comes obviously as an attempt to promote this PJ as a business device (and that is why it has speaker) with 3D capabilities for presentations.
You can always set 16:9 + sceen size other than auto, but may get distorted image as certain input format/screen mode combinations.
post #226 of 1340
Thanks for restating the info Oleg. You haven't taken any screenshots yet have you? There are many anxious to see this in action.
post #227 of 1340
My buddies at Optoma told me a while back they were waiting for Sony to finialize their 3D so you can figure what ever the Sony setup is it will be working on the Optoma projector. I'll have to get one of these to try out, glasses and all. We still need software, avatar would be nice.
post #228 of 1340
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Originally Posted by bjmarchini View Post

It is right on the website. I found it under the benefits section of my card on discovercard.com

https://www.discovercard.com/cardmem...tendedWarranty

I think it is something new they added.



+1

That is why I am buying it. My Acer PH530 is literally dying on me. Its thermal sensor has been acting up for about 1 year and I can no longer keep it running for more than 1 hour with additional cooling. So I was looking at a new builb and a $200 service bill. So I am actually getting this for less than $300 in reality.

You never know with bulbs and we see more horror stories on here than praise. On my Acer, I read that folks' bulbs were dying with less than 1500 hours. I know this is not the norm, but I have 5768 hours on my original bulb and it is still working. Seriously.
)

Hey you were right about that protection never even knew about it and I work for them! haha.. Thanks for posting the link!

I use to have the Acer PH530 as well and actually just recently sold it for $300 locally w/ about 1900 hours on the original bulb. Upgraded to Mitsubishi HC1600 last year and have put almost 2000 hours on that thing. Want this PJ for my livingroom because of that 2500 lumens! But can't have it right now..
post #229 of 1340
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Originally Posted by guitarman View Post

My buddies at Optoma told me a while back they were waiting for Sony to finialize their 3D so you can figure what ever the Sony setup is it will be working on the Optoma projector. I'll have to get one of these to try out, glasses and all. We still need software, avatar would be nice.

That is some good news.
post #230 of 1340
Now that's the type of info I'm looking for, some facts, not what people will think will happen. I'm suprised no one has done more research on what sony will product, Maybe I will.
post #231 of 1340
I found a link to these samsung glasses made for a samsung TV

http://www.expandsale.com/sass3dglkitf.html

I'm wondering why wouldn't any active shutter glasses work for the HD 66. Do speeds slightly vary with 120Mhz?

Also does anyone know what technology will be used for ESPN new 3D channel? What system will they use.
post #232 of 1340
Those glasses won't work - They use an external emitter (as noted in the description) (which needs a 3-pin DIN plug). The Optoma DLP projectors (and most dlp 3d products I'm seeing now...) seem to be opting to rely solely on DLP-LINK, which embeds the signal in the video image instead. So to work with these projectors/tvs/whatever, the glasses have to be specifically set up to interpret the DLP-Link encoded signal.
So far, the only mfg's are:
- xpand x102 -- $150 -- never in stock
- real-d crystaleyes 5 -- $600? -- way too much for me

Actually, I found on the web a reference to a chinese manufacturer that just started making some -- http://www.li-tek.com/Corporation/eshow.asp?id=33
But they don't seem to be for sale anywhere I can find. I emailed the company about them and they sent me a brochure :P no info on pricing or availability.
post #233 of 1340
I just got my HD66 today! There's one thing wrong with it though. When ever I play video it is extremely choppy. Even though i'm running in 720P (not interlaced). Is it the projector or my computer? connected via HDMI on a HP Slimline 3330F.
post #234 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Cudda_Kine View Post

I just got my HD66 today! There's one thing wrong with it though. When ever I play video it is extremely choppy. Even though i'm running in 720P (not interlaced). Is it the projector or my computer? connected via HDMI on a HP Slimline 3330F.

pretty hard diagnosis without you trying a few things... could be the cable as well

does the slimline + cable work with another tv? then its the projector

does the slimline + cable not work with another tv? then its the cable or slimline

does the slimline + another cable not work with another tv? then its probably the slimline

does the slimline + another cable work with another tv? then its probably the cable
post #235 of 1340
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real-d crystaleyes 5 -- $600?

Why do I keep seeing this figure?! This link is right from Real 3D - $450.00.
post #236 of 1340
ah you know soon as sony, panasonic, ect start producing these glasses the prices will come down dramatically. as far as i know there are only 2 or 3 manufactures that make the glasses for consumers but soon as more manufactures start making them such as sony, panasonic, lg ect i think we will see the street prices for these glasses to come down under 100$ who knows they might make some budget glasses for 50$
post #237 of 1340
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Originally Posted by Cudda_Kine View Post

I just got my HD66 today! There's one thing wrong with it though. When ever I play video it is extremely choppy. Even though i'm running in 720P (not interlaced). Is it the projector or my computer? connected via HDMI on a HP Slimline 3330F.


Choppy sounds like computer. Try using a commercial software player like WinDVD or a video file with a different format. If you hook up a stand alone DVD player and it works OK with your projector, then computer for sure.
post #238 of 1340
Finally found some time to transfer images from my dSLR (Canon 40D).
Here are some HD66 screen shots from my HD66. Few notices regarding my setup and shooting conditions.
First and foremost - this is by any means NOT IDEAL setup, so DO NOT consider them as PJ color quality proofs.
1) No any color calibration of the PJ.
Settings used:
- Degamma set to PC (to get "blackiest" black
- Brightness set to match screen black to black of "unused" screen space (bars) by 16:9 format (around 45)
- Contrast ~55
- Saturation ~65
- Brilliant - 2
- Color Temp - Normal.

Lamp mode - Normal.

Screen - just plain light beige wall, so take it into account while estimating brightness and color balance.
I deliberately left area around projected images to estimate background color and brightness.

I know that some color calibration is needed as when I compared HD66 and old NEC LT170 side by side (thanks to HD66 VGA pass-through) that HD66 white and gray is a little bit warm "reddish". Hope I'll find some time for it in the future.

I did not put my camera on tripod to make any of pictures. Nor bothered I to pause video for shots. So some screenshots may appear as out of focus. I also used RAW files rather than JPG to eliminate any color/sharpness correction made by camera itself. Used only resize and some basic sharpening (to compensate resizing) with absolutely no color/tone correction.

First series. HD source - PS3. Shots are made at 2 p.m. in a room where you can easily read books. As you can see room has very limited light control.

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Second series. I finally repaired my Samsung DTB-H260F aerial HDTV receiver and connected it to PJ to enjoy Olympic Games on 100" screen.

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I also found a movie at one of channels and grabbed couple of pictures from it. First one is out of focus a little bit but gives some idea about contrast as well as ski color reproduction.

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Another shot with plenty of skin tone and in focus this time.

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If you take close look at top and bottom of screen you may notice black bars left by unused portion of native 16:10 PJ image.
BTW, I switch back from 16:9 to 16:10 because 16:9 locked screen height even for VGA signal from PC. Now PC image is displayed full height while for 16:9 sources PJ still correctly uses middle part leaving black bars on top and bottom. So no problem with 16:10 at all (unless these black bars drive you crazy :-) )
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Choppy sounds like computer. Try using a commercial software player like WinDVD or a video file with a different format. If you hook up a stand alone DVD player and it works OK with your projector, then computer for sure.

No, I am getting the same issue.

I AM QUICKLY BECOMING VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS PROJECTOR.

I opened it up today on my lunch break and am having issues. Hopefully, someone can help me out here so I can stop pulling my hair out.

Colors are out of sync of course which I can correct, not a problem. The problem is that I have a 96" fixed 16:9 screen. I knew this might be an issue going in as this "720p" projector is actually a 1280x800 16:10 projector though it only goes to 720p supposed with 3D.

When I set the source at 1280X800 on my HTPC, everything works fine, but it is over the fram of course on the top and bottom. If I switch the screen size adjustor on the optoma to 16:9, it resizes it to 720p by scaling it. It works, but it makes everything a little pudgy AND it adds black bars when I watch TV on Media Center. It also introduces some scaling issues. Once again, this is something I would have expected.

When I set the source to 1280x720p, it reduces the image to about 1200x680 or so. It doesn't matter when I make it auto or native, it still keeps it in a "window".

The only solutions that I found was:

Set the digital zoom to about +4 which fill it back in, but it is really suffering from scaling issues.
Set the optical zoom to restretch it back to the correct size. This is creating a soft image.

Am I overlooking something? I would have thought native meant that it will keep it at 1280x720. The only other thing that I can think of is perhaps my HTPC is overscanning and sending an image larger than 1280x720. Again, there is not difference between auto and native when sending out a 720p source from my htpc.

I never had this problem with my Acer PH530 at all. In terms of native versus 16:9 and such. One thing that I always noticed was the the size of the screen varied slightly when choosing native versus 16:9 on it. I am using an ATI card with ccc center. I will check the aspect.

I really want to get this fixed because other than this issue, I REALLY like this projector in the few hours I played with it. It is much brighter, but it also perfectly matches the projection distance of my PH530.

In regards to the choppiness, it is caused by the projector when scaling.
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My buddies at Optoma told me a while back they were waiting for Sony to finialize their 3D so you can figure what ever the Sony setup is it will be working on the Optoma projector. I'll have to get one of these to try out, glasses and all. We still need software, avatar would be nice.

As rumors go, Tom, this is the most interesting news I've read so far. If Optoma is using checkerboard 3D, like Samsung and Mitsubishi, then an adapter like the one announced by Mitsubishi, or better yet, a firmware update from Optoma, might make the 66 compatible with the output from a 3D Blu-ray player.

Right now, IMO, it's best to wait. Of course, I want full 1080p eventually, but I might consider something like this as a stopgap until fully compatible 1080p projectors are available. I'll keep checking here to find out from those of you who've already bought the HD66.
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