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post #1831 of 1935
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Sorry, hadn't checked in on this thread in a while. I use an eyeone sensor and colorimetre hcfr software. Not hard to cal, will have to look up the tutorial I used, it's on the web...

JSS

thanks. you're probably referring to the Curt Palme's guide for dummies.
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post #1832 of 1935
tried tompace's latest settings and everything seems saturated and lost detail.

i got too much push on blue, purple, and red.

not discrediting tompace's calibration, since many here have great results with it.

i guess it didn't quite work for me, but again i have a neutral gray screen and with less than 30hrs on my bulb.
post #1833 of 1935
If any of you are looking for an upgrade please check out my listing in the classifieds section. I'm selling an epson 8500UB in fantastic shape. don't be shy with offers.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/vbcla...do=ad&id=17096
post #1834 of 1935
some more shots.

this is with Tompace's lastest digits and camera in night mode on tripod.

some pictures seemed a little exposed.







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last ones, i promised....








post #1838 of 1935
Thanks for sharing the pix smokarz! Those came out much clearer than the too dark ones a couple days back...different camera or just different camera settings?)

Looking good as always...I was watching "The Matrix" on Sunday on my badly butchered wall (its a long story, but one that I will share in its entirety someday - just not yet) and I was loving the calibrated (via DVE-HD Essentials) images I was getting at 126" (2.35-1, manually zoomed) and it was on a second Kilz2 primer only screen with massive roller marks and a truly tragic center section that turned ugly fast...

I am quite happy with my 8100 to date and can't wait to get some free time to finish my project correctly...
post #1839 of 1935
thanks. same camera. i put it in nightmode and let it do the rest.

yes, i will be calibrating the pj soon with HCFR and an i1 Display colorimeter. i hoping for much more improved picture after that.

good luck with your project and post up some pics when done.
post #1840 of 1935
Nice pics smokarz. I should have my 8100 on Monday. Can't wait to see the difference from my Z3.
post #1841 of 1935
getting ready to calibrate my 8100. got an i1 display pro on the way.


did anyone follow this method to calibrate their 8100? or does it not apply to this pj?




Epson Calibration Guide! (1080, 1080UB, 6100, 6500UB, 7500UB)
post #1842 of 1935
My 8100 has arrived, now I get to look at it the rest of the day at work. I wasn't expecting it to be so big. It's looks about double the size of my Z3.
post #1843 of 1935
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Originally Posted by APorter View Post

My 8100 has arrived, now I get to look at it the rest of the day at work. I wasn't expecting it to be so big. It's looks about double the size of my Z3.

lol.

that was my initial reaction when i opened up the box. it's easily 3x the size of my older HD65.
post #1844 of 1935
The manual in my box is for the 8350/8700 UB. Is this the same manual for the 8100 or should I request another one?
post #1845 of 1935
did you check to make sure they sent you the epson 8100 pj? or maybe they sent you the 8350 instead?
post #1846 of 1935
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

did you check to make sure they sent you the epson 8100 pj? or maybe they sent you the 8350 instead?

The projector in the box is a 8100. I found the manual online, I'll just print and put in binder just in case.
post #1847 of 1935
I have a refurb 8100 on the way -- my first projector. I'm going to have a 'special events' set-up in the living room for the occasional movie night, slide show or ballgame and I'm researching portable screens. As half of the material I'll be viewing is 4:3 (old movies, stills from camera), I was thinking of getting a 4:3 format screen to maximize that material by zooming in to fill the screen.

My question for owners of the 8100: is there perceptible light spill from the sides of the image when the unit is projecting black pillarboxes with 4:3 material? The screen will only be a couple feet in front of a bookcase painted white. If the spill is noticeable/distracting, I'd just go with a 16:9 screen.

Cheers.
post #1848 of 1935
Why go backward with a 4:3? I would def get a 16:9.
post #1849 of 1935
I have a 106" High Power Dalite Model B that I can remove when not in use. It pulls down in front of my entertainment unit. I made some brackets that fold away when not in use. Definitely get 16:9.
post #1850 of 1935
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

Why go backward with a 4:3? I would def get a 16:9.

Thanks, but I don't really think of it as backwards -- consider these two screens:
  • 73" 16:9 screen (36" x 64"), the equivalent 4:3 diagonal will be 60"
  • 80" 4:3 screen (48" x 64"), the equivalent 16:9 diagonal would be the same as the first screen, 73".
Both screens are 64" wide, but the 80" 4:3 is one foot taller -- if I'm showing stills shot in 4:3 (especially in portrait mode) or an old movie, I can get a lot more screen real estate with a 4:3 screen while getting the exact same 16:9 diagonal size when showing widescreen material.

My question is specifically about how bright the pillarboxes are on the 8100 -- would those areas which would spill off the screen illuminate the light-colored wall/bookcase a couple feet behind my screen if I zoomed in on a 4:3 screen? Would you be able to see them in a darkened room, but not one with some ambient light? My understanding that is that the better the projector, the blacker the black -- even though pillarboxes are black, they are still part of the image signal. If what was spilled off the screen was too distracting, I'd just budget for a larger 16:9 screen and not zoom out on the 4:3 material.

Cheers.
post #1851 of 1935
I bought a used 8100 with 1000 hours on it. I'm up over 1300 now. It seems the last two hundred or so hours it has developed a sort or red/blue shaded horizontal line across the top of the image.

I've tried moving the image around, so it doesn't seem to be an optics issue. Nothing I do in the settings seems to change it. I'm hoping it's a symptom of bulb degradation as this is a unit that burns bulbs out too fast.

Anyone ever experience anything like this?
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post #1852 of 1935
any one projecting on a gray screen?

i have a 90" gray paint screen and i just couldn't get the image bright enough.

i can not managed more than 9fL on Natural mode.

i calibrated grayscale and the measurements are perfect from 20-100 IRE.

from 30-100IRE i am under 3 for delta E. 20IRE has a delta E of 6.

while the image looks great, it's just too dim. it's getting to a point where it's starting to hurt my eyes.
post #1853 of 1935
Mine is anything but dim. I use natural, I believe, and always the Eco mode. I use a Dalite high power, not grey, though. Still, it should be plenty bright.
post #1854 of 1935
do you know the gain on your Dalite screen? what size screen and mounting distance?

i run mine in Natural mode and Normal lamp.

btw, how many hours do you have on your lamp?

i am still under 60hrs. does the lamp get brighter?
post #1855 of 1935
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Originally Posted by smokarz View Post

do you know the gain on your Dalite screen? what size screen and mounting distance?

i run mine in Natural mode and Normal lamp.

btw, how many hours do you have on your lamp?

i am still under 60hrs. does the lamp get brighter?

I have a 106" screen where the projector is roughly 13' back. The gain is 2.8. I have about 1200 hours on the bulb but no, it doesn't get brighter. Even with your grey screen, it should be plenty bright. Maybe you got a bad bulb, you might want to call Epson. I don't think anyone has complained about this projector being dim. I can use mine with my overhead can lights on to read and still have a very watchable picture.
post #1856 of 1935
thanks. called epson this morning and they are going to overnight me a new bulb.

i was told that i am getting a new version of the bulb, from a different manufacturer. so we'll see.
post #1857 of 1935
Hope that works, sounds like it should.
post #1858 of 1935
something just dawned on me. looking at coderguy's projector's calculator, it looks like if the Iris is closed (off), the 8100 only puts out 300 lumens? is this right?

i've been calibrating the projector with auto iris off. i guess this explain why my picture is too dim?
post #1859 of 1935
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Originally Posted by plissken99 View Post

I bought a used 8100 with 1000 hours on it. I'm up over 1300 now. It seems the last two hundred or so hours it has developed a sort or red/blue shaded horizontal line across the top of the image.

I've tried moving the image around, so it doesn't seem to be an optics issue. Nothing I do in the settings seems to change it. I'm hoping it's a symptom of bulb degradation as this is a unit that burns bulbs out too fast.

Anyone ever experience anything like this?

Happened on mine in 750 hours. Your polarizers are going. Not a thing you can do about it. Call them for a replacement.
post #1860 of 1935
I think I might be done with Epson. Here's my history:

-Bought 8100 from Amazon on June 2010

-Ordered a replacement bulb under warranty in March 2011 because it failed at 1800 hours

-Replaced original projector with a refurb on August 2011 because the HDMI board failed

-As of March 2012, there are 950 hours on the refurb and the bulb is very dim and is indicative of impending failure

Don't get me wrong, Epson has been excellent every time I've called them for service but this is getting ridiculous. I've now gone through two 8100s and two bulbs and all of them have had problems.

If only Epson's QC was as good as their customer service.
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