Runco 1209S has the same picture quality as the Cine9?

Do you mean Barco?

No, the Cine 9 is a completely different beast, a complete redesign from the ground up. Yes, the 1209s will be far less than the Cine 9s.

Cine 9 is a digital chassis, meaning that all convergence. geometry, etc waveforms are completely digital right to the main output stage. That means less drift, more stability.

Tubes are LUGs along with HFQ 900 lensesm sharper than the GT 17s.

The chassis is completely redesigned, the video circuits are on one side of the set with heavy shielding, compared to the older Barcos where they are between the power supply and H and V boards, where they pick up more noise.

Massive convergence/color/focus/etc adjustments, moreso than the G90 I would say. I personally have never spent a lot of time tweaking a 909 to the fullest, but it is an amazing set.

(I got this from a Barco tech that I talked to a month ago, a very knowledgeable guy. He loves the 909/Cine 9.

I would agree that the images are very similar. I would consider parts availability more important than the image quality difference.

And it is a Barco 1209s. Runco would use a different number for the same projector, but black and fitted with filtered C elements (1101? Something like that).


However, those prices are just insane. No CRT, new or not, is worth anything like that, considering the quality of digitals these days.


The 1209s is worth maybe 2000 Euros tops, and the Cine9 maybe 4000 Euros. (And Curt knows I wouldn't pay that much for them. )

Among other things as Curt detailed:

..not to mention more video bandwidth!

The one I saw was stunning...not sure how much of it was the lenses...or just the whole different machine

Martin

Hmm, Cine9 0 hours thats right not 103, had an asking price of just over 20K a couple of years ago, right before the prices halved. This sounds like either an official Barco dealer that has some overpriced inventory looking to still make a profit, or one of those overpriced Germans that sometimes do manage to flip old Barco's for double money.

Even for Europe, these prices are unreal. One could even consider importing from Canada (through Seatle;-)) of a 909, if one is contemplating that kind of money. Although C hasn't offered any NIB units sofar.

I would also suggest to PM Arbey on this forum, he might have leads on good 909s, and is able to service them (parts availability permitting). Belgium is a tad closer than Vancouver;-).

No, I asked because I didn't realize that Runco rebadged the 1209S. I should have looked at Curt's cross-reference sheet before asking.

There are two versions of the Runco and I don't think it is clear what difference if any there is between them. They are the Runco 1100 and the 1101. I own two of the 1100 version and they are not a Barco Graphics 1209s but something akin to a Barco Data 1209s. Some of the earlier 1100 were literally a Data 1209s but my circa 2000 1100 has some differences from a standard Barco Data 1209s. Essentially my 1100 seems to be a cross between 1209s and Barco 808. The differences are all in the scanning boards. So the picture quality is the same but you are limited to something just above 1080p 60hz. As for the 1101 I have never seen a good explanation of what difference if any there are between the 1100 and the 1101. Some say the 1101 is actually akin to the Barco Graphics 1209s and other say the projector is the same as the 1100 but the 1101 came with a better external processor.

The good thing about the Runcos are they come with colored filtered c elements and the disireable for home theater HD120s (though in typical Runco fashion all labels are removed).

I have actually seen a 1209s and a 909 back to back (at a resellers house). Neither was color filtered but they both threw a stunning picture. On a computer desktop/test patterns the 909 was sharper especially on the edges of the screen. However on video material the difference was far more subtle and honestly not important to me. If you watch test patterns or use your projector for computer use the Cine9/909 maybe you thing otherwise I'd go for the generally far cheaper and easier to find parts for 1209s/Runco clones.

Some other thoughts the 909 had more fan noise than the 1209s (the Cine9 is likely quieter than the 909).

As other have said those prices are insane even for Europe. I would import one from Curt as it would be a LOT cheaper.

Actually I would be suspicious of a 0 hour Barco because I have seen NIB ones and they all had just north of 100 hours on the clock. My understanding is that Barco ran them for about 100 hours before shipping them. And yes this included one NIB 909 Greg Eisemann had (it had 105 hours on it as I recall).

That sounds like standard practice, The two NIB 2004 marquee 8500 Ultra Longbows both had 100 hours on them also.


Athanasios

Yes it is standard practice! (...as far as I know)

They cycle the tubes with a wide band signal as part of the tube break in procedure!

Martin