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post #151 of 2400
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

Quick question guys....

I have read that the Toshiba Cell TV can convert 2D to 3D if so desired, and i believe i read that the Samsungs can do it too; has anyone heard if Sony is using any kind of feature like this in the HX800/HX900/LX900?

yes, check out sony style for more info on the 3d capabilities.
post #152 of 2400
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Originally Posted by JohnGZ28 View Post

yes, check out sony style for more info on the 3d capabilities.

i found the site, but i see nothing about the TV converting 2D signals into a 3D signal. Am i missing something?
post #153 of 2400
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

i found the site, but i see nothing about the TV converting 2D signals into a 3D signal. Am i missing something?

One of the 3D PR guys at the sony booth confirmed this from a video I watched. My guess is the 900's have this.
post #154 of 2400
The local store has the 52NX800 on display and it looks spectacular. I didn't mess with the settings as no one could find a remote. It didn't look overly bright though. On a "Salt" trailer I noticed a lot less halo than the xbr10. They had the wifi connection working which they said was built in and showed slacker radio and said it also does netflix amongst other movie sources. At $1400 cheaper than xbr10 at it's release is a good move by Sony.
post #155 of 2400
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

i found the site, but i see nothing about the TV converting 2D signals into a 3D signal. Am i missing something?

And what would be the point of converting 2D into 3D? That is just ridiculous and pointless. A gimmick that won't ever look good. There is no 3D depth information in a 2D signal. Unless you are talking about shooter games on xbox/ps3, that have the 3rd dimension.
post #156 of 2400
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Originally Posted by Dathon View Post

And what would be the point of converting 2D into 3D? That is just ridiculous and pointless. A gimmick that won't ever look good. There is no 3D depth information in a 2D signal. Unless you are talking about shooter games on xbox/ps3, that have the 3rd dimension.

Who cares if it would subjectively look good or not though? If you are spending $$$ on a new TV, and the 3D aspect is part of the reason you are doing so, then you as the manufacturer might as well be able to apply that feature to as broad a range as possible and let the user decide. You won't alienate anyone that way, and you might bring more people in.

As for how it looks, well, I'll judge once I've seen it is my standpoint.
post #157 of 2400
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Originally Posted by Dathon View Post

And what would be the point of converting 2D into 3D? That is just ridiculous and pointless. A gimmick that won't ever look good. There is no 3D depth information in a 2D signal. Unless you are talking about shooter games on xbox/ps3, that have the 3rd dimension.

because Toshiba announced that their Cell tv will do it, as will the new Samsungs. It'd be interesting to test a feature like this out, maybe it will look good.

It'll prob be a while until the UFC starts putting out 3D fights, but if the converted 3D worked well, that would be great. Why not have it if they can make it?

EDIT: i did read some articles written by people who had seen the 2D converted to 3D on the Cell TV, and said that well it wasn't as dimensional as a 3D bluray, it looked good.
post #158 of 2400
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

i found the site, but i see nothing about the TV converting 2D signals into a 3D signal. Am i missing something?

See the following link

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644539863

this takes you to the sonystyle page there is another link under the top TV on the left
post #159 of 2400
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Originally Posted by dave300zx View Post

The local store has the 52NX800 on display and it looks spectacular. I didn't mess with the settings as no one could find a remote. It didn't look overly bright though. On a "Salt" trailer I noticed a lot less halo than the xbr10. They had the wifi connection working which they said was built in and showed slacker radio and said it also does netflix amongst other movie sources. At $1400 cheaper than xbr10 at it's release is a good move by Sony.

WOW! This is out already? I thought we were talking late February (available to ship around 2/22 according to sonystyle.com).
post #160 of 2400
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Originally Posted by JohnGZ28 View Post

See the following link

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921644539863

this takes you to the sonystyle page there is another link under the top TV on the left

i seriously must be blind. that link leads me to a page with all of the new models, and the lx900 has a link under it that says "experience 3d at a sony store near you", but when i click it, it just brings me to a page that says "find a sony style store"

maybe the site is different in canada? i see nothing anywhere about converting 2d stuff to 3d
post #161 of 2400
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Originally Posted by ptt660 View Post

WOW! This is out already? I thought we were talking late February (available to ship around 2/22 according to sonystyle.com).

They said they won't have them till the date on the website. I'm wondering why the delay, they even had the metal base there.
post #162 of 2400
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

i seriously must be blind. that link leads me to a page with all of the new models, and the lx900 has a link under it that says "experience 3d at a sony store near you", but when i click it, it just brings me to a page that says "find a sony style store"

maybe the site is different in canada? i see nothing anywhere about converting 2d stuff to 3d

There was a link that took you to a press release but I don't see it there any more.
post #163 of 2400
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Originally Posted by JohnGZ28 View Post

There was a link that took you to a press release but I don't see it there any more.

Oh, ok thanks.

Another question... does anyone know if motionflow can be used during a 3D program?
post #164 of 2400
info is tough to find on the higher end sets, but sonystyle.co.uk has them up.

The stuff that interests me....

hx903 (prob the hx900)
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t46-hx-series/kdl-46hx903

lx903 (prob the lx900)
http://www.sony.co.uk/product/t46-lx-series/kdl-60lx903

with the LX903 and HX903 the motionflow pro 240 definately has the scanning/blinking backlight

"Motionflow 200Hz PRO with Image Blur Reduction – enjoy the smoothest, fast-moving sports and movie action scenes with four times the number of images than conventional 50Hz TVs and innovative backlight blinking for a more cinematic feel "

opticontrast panels on the hx903

OptiContrast Panel – enjoy a spectacular, ultra-clear cinematic picture with an incredibly high contrast, detailed black tones and true sense of depth; the low reflective surface minimises glare and adds an impressive presence even when the TV is off


BUT

Deep black panel on the lx700... is this the UV2A?

"Deep Black Panel – watch incredibly vivid pictures with an impressively high contrast and deep detailed black levels; the screen is specially designed to reduce glare in bright rooms and looks stunning whether the TV is on or off "

also, the lx has wifi, hx doesn't.

The LX has built in 3d and at the bottom of the page, there is a logo for "3D WORLD CREATED BY SONY", the HX doesn't have this logo.

i'm wondering what the price difference is, and if the LX uses the UV2A, if there will even be a huge difference.... its strange that the Edge lit LED set would be their flagship over their local dimming LED set. i really want to know the pricing on the 52" sets, but we are still probably a ways away from that.
post #165 of 2400
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

Oh, ok thanks.

Another question... does anyone know if motionflow can be used during a 3D program?

Motionflow is not available when running 3D, it is disabled unless the set it running in 2D mode. This will be the case for most manufacturers offering 3D.
post #166 of 2400
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Motionflow is not available when running 3D,

who tell you that?
post #167 of 2400
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Originally Posted by dave300zx View Post

The local store has the 52NX800 on display and it looks spectacular. I didn't mess with the settings as no one could find a remote. It didn't look overly bright though. On a "Salt" trailer I noticed a lot less halo than the xbr10. They had the wifi connection working which they said was built in and showed slacker radio and said it also does netflix amongst other movie sources. At $1400 cheaper than xbr10 at it's release is a good move by Sony.

Hi Dave,
Where is your local store? I'm interested to see any new 2010 BRAVIA Sony TV at the store now.Thanks.
dtd
post #168 of 2400
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Originally Posted by whitetrash66 View Post

its strange that the Edge lit LED set would be their flagship over their local dimming LED set.

Probably due to design aesthetics being used to associate the 'top' set in the series. You know how the shopping public is nowadays wrt "thin" sets being best. That said, there may be some higher end Sony set announced later this year, who knows?

More comforting for me in the long run though is the fact that Sony top brass seems cognizant of PQ considerations. Here's a quote from Stan Glasgow from around CES:

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What is your favorite Sony product of all time (perhaps one you used when you were younger)?

I would have to say only because of my interest and engineering background in TV, I think the 55″ BRAVIA XBR8 that we introduced about 18-24 months ago was the best LCD TV in the world at that point, and remains the best LCD TV in the world. We did a very special type of back-lighting technology in that product that was super expensive – it was Triluminos, 3 color back-lights, directly into the back of the screen’s back-lighting. A lot of the LED back-lighting today, nearly all of it is Edge-lit, so you’re using LED’s, but you’re firing across the back of the screen and you’ve got some uniformity issues, hot spots, and cold spots. That 55″ XBR8 sits in my main family room, it’s the TV I watch most of the time, and I still gawk at how good that picture is. It was a strong seller; we’re running out of it right now, and we didn’t anticipate the final demand as well as should have because it’s a really expensive product.

(From here)

Makes me more comfortable at least that when possible and it lines up, Sony may continue to put out halo products to cover the line and cater to the videophiles out there.
post #169 of 2400
Well the pre-ordering is up on SonyStyle, and with the indicated pricing I think by default we have our MSRP's on the sets. I think once they're out in broader retail, we can expect the usual per-vendor discounting and occasional bundling and such.

KDL-60NX800 - $4599
KDL-52NX800 - $3399
KDL-46NX800 - $2799

KDL-46NX700 - $2599
KDL-40NX700 - $2099

KDL-60EX700 - $3899
KDL-52EX700 - $2799
KDL-46EX700 - $2199
KDL-40EX700 - $1699
KDL-32EX700 - $1099

KDL-60EX500 - $3299
KDL-55EX500 - $2399
KDL-46EX500 - $1599
KDL-40EX500 - $1099
KDL-32EX500 - $799

KDL-46EX400 - $1199
KDL-40EX400 - $799
KDL-32EX400 - $599

KDL-32BX300 - $499
KDL-22BX300 - $349

No pre-ordering up for the HX or LX XBR series as yet. Will be interested to know which sets have panels originating in Sakai as we learn, and/or which will utilize UV²A.
post #170 of 2400
I watched 3D demo on x800, and thought it was dumb though.
post #171 of 2400
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Originally Posted by Suspekt_Audio View Post

Motionflow is not available when running 3D, it is disabled unless the set it running in 2D mode. This will be the case for most manufacturers offering 3D.

Could you further explain, why Motionflow (or other frame interpolations) aren't available with 3D?
If this is indeed the case, it would be a real handicap for 3D LCD in relation to blurr, judder and motion resolution.
post #172 of 2400
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Originally Posted by M5ster View Post

Could you further explain, why Motionflow (or other frame interpolations) aren't available with 3D?
If this is indeed the case, it would be a real handicap for 3D LCD in relation to blurr and judder.

The greater frame rate (alternating of course) is being used to create the actual 3D image itself, vs being used to interpolate 2D imagery.

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Originally Posted by zoro View Post

I watched 3D demo on x800, and thought it was dumb though.

Care to expound? Saying it's "dumb" could mean anything, and might just go down to personal taste. More subjective would be whether you thought it was implemented well or well executed. I plan on checking out myself this weekend.
post #173 of 2400
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The greater frame rate (alternating of course) is being used to create the actual 3D image itself, vs being used to interpolate 2D imagery.

this means de facto 48Hz respectively 24p for each eye. Ten times the same frame on a hold-type display? I think the alternating frame rate will not exclude the MCFI @ 240Hz.
post #174 of 2400
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Originally Posted by deekey View Post

I think the alternating frame rate will not exclude the MCFI @ 240Hz.

Yes for 240Hz it might not... but there may be constraints on the processing side within these sets beyond simply the ability of the framerates to support it. It's a good question; we'll see what they do. Part of the constraint also, 240Hz or not, may be on the 3D glasses side of the equation, since they are using an active shutter system. It may be that whether the TV is 240Hz or not on 2D content, the glasses might only support 60Hz per lens.
post #175 of 2400
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the glasses might only support 60Hz per lens

so this is a fact from Real Ds product? I ask because there were several reports from the CES, that 3D soultions from the manufacturers vary adventuresomely (flickering, issues, crosstalk, judder..). And Plasma (Pana VT25) should be the better choice for 3D.
post #176 of 2400
It's not a fact that I am aware of, it's just a theory that I am putting forth (and that seems plausible).
post #177 of 2400
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya View Post

It's not a fact that I am aware of, it's just a theory that I am putting forth (and that seems plausible).

The word MIGHT probably should've clued him in.
post #178 of 2400
Sony declared, that the glasses will work @2 X 120Hz. Once more, why is the MCFI function not available? This post read like a fact.
post #179 of 2400
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Originally Posted by deekey View Post

Sony declared, that the glasses will work @2 X 120Hz. Once more, why is the MCFI function not available? This post read like a fact.


Well, we know that IF motionflow/amp is disabled when watchigg 3d, that may be the reason for people thinking the LCD 3d was more judddery. It's kind of dissapointing, I admit. Motionflow +3D would be kind of neat to see.
post #180 of 2400
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Originally Posted by schlick View Post

The word MIGHT probably should've clued him in.

Seriously.

Deekey why are you acting as if anyone here can answer for sure? I think you're just going to have to deal with the fact that in the year 2010, 3D won't work with MotionFlow.

Doesn't seem like a big deal to me personally. Anyway but if you have found a source to suggest the shutter glasses are in fact 120Hz per lens, throw it on up! I'm certainly interested in as many technical details as can be compiled.
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