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post #211 of 2400
1/19/10 at 3:45pm
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya View Post

Well the HX has it also, which would make sense since the HX is to be the PQ leader between the two.

Both in the HX800 and HX900?
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post #212 of 2400
1/19/10 at 3:50pm
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Originally Posted by JoeSony View Post

Both in the HX800 and HX900?

Good question, but I don't think that it does. The HX700(?) in any event does not; I pulled that from the UK SonyStyle site:

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/tvp-46-70-sony-bravia-tv

Maybe the HX700 and the HX800 are essentially the same. They do confirm though the OptiContrast on the HX900.
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post #213 of 2400
1/19/10 at 3:57pm
OptiContrast is a marketing name for Sony for it's glossy screen that is, "designed with a clear surface treatment and a resin sheet sandwiched between the LCD display panel and glass plate, the OptiContrast panel minimizes the reflection and refraction of external and internal light producing deeper images with superior black levels even in bright rooms."

Similar to Samsung's trademark UltraClearPanel (UCP). Don't know the difference though.

The LX and HX900 have OptiContrast.
But I may be wrong
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post #214 of 2400
1/19/10 at 6:39pm
The OptiContrast was explained by the HDGuru article that was linked; it is actually a layer of resin occupying the space/air that exists between the sheet of material spanning the breadth of the monolith design sets and the underlying screen itself. So essentially, there is no air gap at all but a clear solid layer. Should be great for contrast as stated, and I would hope in glare reduction as well to an extent. So I do not think it is like the UCP at all, which is just a very reflective single sheet screen. The non-OptiContrast monolith sets have 'Deep Black' screens, which I expect to be more like what we consider UCP to be.

EDIT: To be fair it looks like the HDGuru article is down now. But anyway, yeah the above is what they were saying the OptiContrast treatment was.
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post #215 of 2400
1/19/10 at 11:07pm
the question is, why Sony has to add an extra layer of resin (opti contrast) while UV2A is used..Does this maximize the effect or is UV2A not incorporated?
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post #216 of 2400
1/20/10 at 5:22am
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya View Post

Good question, but I don't think that it does. The HX700(?) in any event does not; I pulled that from the UK SonyStyle site:

http://www.sony.co.uk/product/tvp-46-70-sony-bravia-tv

Maybe the HX700 and the HX800 are essentially the same. They do confirm though the OptiContrast on the HX900.

i was thinking the HX7-- series in sony.co.uk was the same as the HX800, but the HX800 has Motionflow 240 Pro, but the HX7-- doesn't have the "pro" motionflow, so i don't think its the same set. But they seem to be missing the hx800 off of their website.... wierd
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post #217 of 2400
1/20/10 at 6:59am
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dont confuse the HX700 and HX800.The HX800 is also LED EDGE with local dimming while HX700 is CCFL.The HX800 is also 3D ready.the HX700 will not come at all in the US
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post #218 of 2400
1/20/10 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by deekey View Post

the question is, why Sony has to add an extra layer of resin (opti contrast) while UV2A is used..Does this maximize the effect or is UV2A not incorporated?

We don't know anything about what sets will have UV2A etc etc... all we know is that with a 9% ownership interest in the fab set up to make them, they will most likely begin to turn up. As for the OptiContrast, to me it makes perfect sense - if there was to be an air pocket in there otherwise, having a clear resin layer is just all the more desirable. It could be UV2A, S-LCD, or whatever else; the resin layer is preferable to an air buffer, which would be the alternative.

So it's not that it is needed or not needed relative to UV2A, it's that it improves the viewing experience in its own right. More improvement is more better. OptiContrast, Uv2A, and local dimming with many zones sounds like it would/should be a nice looking set.
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post #219 of 2400
1/20/10 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by CHRISGEOFROMGREE View Post

the HX700 will not come at all in the US

huh? nooo
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post #220 of 2400
1/21/10 at 8:56am
A friend just bought condo and has tasked me with setting up the television/speakers/etc for it. In order to set it up for him I get to stay there a week so not such a bad deal for me.

I'm looking at the 60" NX800 for him. Price doesn't really matter but I'm a little hesitant at buying a TV that few people have used or reviewed. I feel like going with a samsung B8500 or something similar would be a much safer purchase (and 1k cheaper). The other part of me wants to check out the new sony line and play around with one first hand.

What are your thoughts on the NX800? My timetable for being at the condo is at the beginning of March so out of the new Sony line this would be the only one available (2/22 release). What exactly is this TV missing (other than 3D) that the LX line would have?
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post #221 of 2400
1/21/10 at 12:26pm
There is a basic issue if Sony released all their product lines for 2010. In previous years they were showing, at dealers show or in late summer, a crop of models for autumn harvesting and that was including high-end. From what they are showing now it looks that the 'real' high-end is missing. High-end defined at present is by what others were showing, like: >60", 3D, local dimming with large number of zones, 480 Hz, Cell processor, HDMI 1.4.... everything in single model.
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post #222 of 2400
1/21/10 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by irkuck View Post

There is a basic issue if Sony released all their product lines for 2010. In previous years they were showing, at dealers show or in late summer, a crop of models for autumn harvesting and that was including high-end. From what they are showing now it looks that the 'real' high-end is missing. High-end defined at present is by what others were showing, like: >60", 3D, local dimming with large number of zones, 480 Hz, Cell processor, HDMI 1.4.... everything in single model.

Always nice to save a few surprises for other shows.
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post #223 of 2400
1/21/10 at 1:23pm
Yeah I would expect that we would see a 'halo' model later in the year, no worries there I'm sure.
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post #224 of 2400
1/21/10 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by plaisted7 View Post

A friend just bought condo and has tasked me with setting up the television/speakers/etc for it. In order to set it up for him I get to stay there a week so not such a bad deal for me.

I'm looking at the 60" NX800 for him. Price doesn't really matter but I'm a little hesitant at buying a TV that few people have used or reviewed. I feel like going with a samsung B8500 or something similar would be a much safer purchase (and 1k cheaper). The other part of me wants to check out the new sony line and play around with one first hand.

What are your thoughts on the NX800? My timetable for being at the condo is at the beginning of March so out of the new Sony line this would be the only one available (2/22 release). What exactly is this TV missing (other than 3D) that the LX line would have?

What you'll be missing vs the LX is the Opticontrast panel and the built-in WiFi, and 3D of course. Wi-Fi can be added on later though, if he even cares, and since you're talking 60" IMO the chances might be good that should these sets have the UV2A panels, that you would get one since 60" is a Sharp associated size.

Pricing is only as much as it costs in the stores - if I were you I would see if I could cancel a pre-order without penalty; if so, pre-order one to give yourself time to decide. In that time you can get a sense as to whether it might cost a little less at a different store upon launch, and you might get some initial feedback/impressions as well. And they are at SonyStyle now as well if you want to check it out in a smaller screen size.

To me the set looks like it would be the perfect 'style' for an upscale condo, so hopefully it works out. But if you opt for the B8500 instead, you'll be working with a top-end set, so no worries.
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post #225 of 2400
1/21/10 at 1:51pm
Bummer there still isn't a new 70 in. I guess my XBR2 goes without replacing for another year...
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post #226 of 2400
1/21/10 at 2:41pm
I'm getting the 60" EX500 for $750 as a replacement for my XBR1. Other people were offered the 52" XBR9 for $550. I wonder which one is the better deal. I tried to get the NX800 but Sony wouldnt offer me any kind of deal on it. I even tried to get a deal on the XBR8 but the guy just laughed at me, it was worth a try.
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post #227 of 2400
1/21/10 at 3:52pm
I also own the XBR2 65" and been waiting for years for a 70" or 75" ... if Sony releases a "halo" ultra-highend model that is 65" or larger, I'm upgrading. Might even pull the trigger if it's 60".
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post #228 of 2400
1/21/10 at 8:32pm
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya View Post

What you'll be missing vs the LX is the Opticontrast panel and the built-in WiFi, and 3D of course. Wi-Fi can be added on later though, if he even cares, and since you're talking 60" IMO the chances might be good that should these sets have the UV2A panels, that you would get one since 60" is a Sharp associated size.

Pricing is only as much as it costs in the stores - if I were you I would see if I could cancel a pre-order without penalty; if so, pre-order one to give yourself time to decide. In that time you can get a sense as to whether it might cost a little less at a different store upon launch, and you might get some initial feedback/impressions as well. And they are at SonyStyle now as well if you want to check it out in a smaller screen size.

To me the set looks like it would be the perfect 'style' for an upscale condo, so hopefully it works out. But if you opt for the B8500 instead, you'll be working with a top-end set, so no worries.

Not too worried about WiFi, although I was under the impression that the NX800 might have the Opticontrast technology and local dimming. If you check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZdA0McvUTU

At about 4:15 the rep is talking about the NX800 and says it includes the opticontrast tech and local dimming. I wasn't able find anything mentioned on the sonystyle website about either of those for the NX800 so the rep might of just been ignorant. I'm going to stop by the sonystyle store next week and see if I can get any more info and maybe pre-order one.
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post #229 of 2400
1/21/10 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by plaisted7 View Post

Not too worried about WiFi, although I was under the impression that the NX800 might have the Opticontrast technology and local dimming. If you check out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZdA0McvUTU

At about 4:15 the rep is talking about the NX800 and says it includes the opticontrast tech and local dimming. I wasn't able find anything mentioned on the sonystyle website about either of those for the NX800 so the rep might of just been ignorant. I'm going to stop by the sonystyle store next week and see if I can get any more info and maybe pre-order one.

He's not talking about the NX though, he's talking about the HX. The OptiContrast was described under the context of the LX - and I did appreciate hearing it verbally spoken - but when they cut to the NX looking set, everything he is describing is HX in featureset... the 240Hz, the 3D capability, and the full LED backlighting. Since no doubt the HX can go in the same stand, I think that's where the confusion set in. That entire video I think is misnamed by evoking 'NX800.'

(When they are panning around at the very end, you can see they are actually in the HX section, and see some other HX sets in the background in the same aluminum stand as the NX's)

EDIT: Here, I've found a good video that breaks them down pretty quickly and succinctly: http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/ca...681401gEEqP4FA

Start watching 0:35 in.
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post #230 of 2400
1/22/10 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by xbdestroya View Post

He's not talking about the NX though, he's talking about the HX. The OptiContrast was described under the context of the LX - and I did appreciate hearing it verbally spoken - but when they cut to the NX looking set, everything he is describing is HX in featureset... the 240Hz, the 3D capability, and the full LED backlighting. Since no doubt the HX can go in the same stand, I think that's where the confusion set in. That entire video I think is misnamed by evoking 'NX800.'

(When they are panning around at the very end, you can see they are actually in the HX section, and see some other HX sets in the background in the same aluminum stand as the NX's)

EDIT: Here, I've found a good video that breaks them down pretty quickly and succinctly: http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/ca...681401gEEqP4FA

Start watching 0:35 in.

Man, hearing the Sony rep. say the NX line is for people who aren't concerned with the greatest PQ turned me off to the line. Thanks for the clarification, saw the silver base and thought it was exclusive to the NX line (and the video was mis-labeled.)
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post #231 of 2400
1/22/10 at 9:45am
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Man, hearing the Sony rep. say the NX line is for people who aren't concerned with the greatest PQ turned me off to the line. Thanks for the clarification, saw the silver base and thought it was exclusive to the NX line (and the video was mis-labeled.)

I think the statement lends to the fact that not everyone feels they need or wants the 'XBR8' as it were... the average consumer isn't looking for the best PQ, as evidenced by a number of the top selling models by volume (not just Sony). Some customers want a bargain (EX), some customers want a stylish tv but put a lot of weight on options such as wireless, motion processing, eco options, etc (NX)... for the customer who's primary focus is PQ but they prefer to opt out of some of the add on bells and whistles (240hz, 3d, widgets, LED) there is the HX... and for the XBR8 customer that wants everything, LX
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post #232 of 2400
1/22/10 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Suspekt_Audio View Post

I think the statement lends to the fact that not everyone feels they need or wants the 'XBR8' as it were... the average consumer isn't looking for the best PQ, as evidenced by a number of the top selling models by volume (not just Sony). Some customers want a bargain (EX), some customers want a stylish tv but put a lot of weight on options such as wireless, motion processing, eco options, etc (NX)... for the customer who's primary focus is PQ but they prefer to opt out of some of the add on bells and whistles (240hz, 3d, widgets, LED) there is the HX... and for the XBR8 customer that wants everything, LX

Wouldn't you say that the HX is more like the XBR8, top PQ, whereas the LX would be more like something like the XBR7, having less PQ but more features (XBR7 had 240 hertz)?

If the LX looks as good as the HX, that's what i'll be getting
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post #233 of 2400
1/22/10 at 11:38am
I somewhat share plaisted's concern regarding the NX line. I was initially attracted to that line, as I am not likely to jump headlong into the 3D realm right away, and I thought that the NX line, having the same attractive monolithic design would have the same quality picture sans the 3D capability.

Safe to say one shouldn't assume too much in this field, so I'll just wait until I see them first-hand in the stores.
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post #234 of 2400
1/22/10 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by Suspekt_Audio View Post

...Some customers want a bargain (EX), ... for the customer who's primary focus is PQ but they prefer to opt out of some of the add on bells and whistles (240hz, 3d, widgets, LED) there is the HX...

? HX has 3D, LED, 240Hz and is WiFi ready. I think you have it confused with the EX500, which is CCFL. I also wouldn't call LED a bell and whistle, although manufacturers are hyping it as the latest thing. In fact LED sets are much simpler and almost certainly more durable and reliable, so I don't think LED really qualifies as anything exotic.

I'm eyeing the EX700 for my next set. It avoids things that I don't need or want (3D, Wi-Fi, 240Hz) but has the size and the LEDs, which ticks my boxes. I'm comparing the 60 inch model with my present 52 inch RP. It weighs 10 lb. less, and has the same height. And looks a lot more cool. But I'll miss the old gal, which still works like new in its 5th year.
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post #235 of 2400
1/22/10 at 2:29pm
I stopped by the SonyStyle store in Atlanta (Lenox Square) today. They had two obviously new models on display, but there was no marking indicating what model numbers or price. Nor was there any other information displayed. I asked a salesman and he said they were both XBR's. He didn't seem to know the models, but after searching on their website decided one was an HX900 and the other an LX900. Now that I'm home and can look at the SonyStyle website myself, I'm certain that one was a 52-inch NX800. The styling of the NX800 was nice, but I have no practical way to compare picture quality between that one and any of my current XBR's. The other was doing a 3D demo, and was probably an LX900. Without the glasses, of course, the 3D programming is a blur. With the glasses on, it was obviously 3D but was very gimmicky. I decided immediately that I don't want one. Besides the PITA of having to wear glasses and the likely scarcity of 3D programming, I think it will always look gimmicky. To be fair, when I saw Avatar in 3D, I thought it looked gimmicky too.
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post #236 of 2400
1/22/10 at 2:55pm
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Originally Posted by BillJulyan View Post

I stopped by the SonyStyle store in Atlanta (Lenox Square) today. They had two obviously new models on display, but there was no marking indicating what model numbers or price. Nor was there any other information displayed. I asked a salesman and he said they were both XBR's. He didn't seem to know the models, but after searching on their website decided one was an HX900 and the other an LX900. Now that I'm home and can look at the SonyStyle website myself, I'm certain that one was a 52-inch NX800. The styling of the NX800 was nice, but I have no practical way to compare picture quality between that one and any of my current XBR's. The other was doing a 3D demo, and was probably an LX900. Without the glasses, of course, the 3D programming is a blur. With the glasses on, it was obviously 3D but was very gimmicky. I decided immediately that I don't want one. Besides the PITA of having to wear glasses and the likely scarcity of 3D programming, I think it will always look gimmicky. To be fair, when I saw Avatar in 3D, I thought it looked gimmicky too.

Until the newer sets with 3D capability are released and tested I wouldn't dismiss them so quickly. They will still of course display 2D content even if you didn't advantage of the built-in 3D, and the question of picture quality with 2D content is what I am interested in seeing.
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post #237 of 2400
1/22/10 at 3:27pm
I just finalized my pre-order for the 60EX700 today. It was a replacement offer made to me for my 60" LCD Projection that got the optical block problem. They first offered me the 60EX500, but if I was going to spend the money for a new TV I asked if I could get something with LED. That's what they offered for not much more.

I'm pretty excited. ETA is 2nd half of February. I'm not convinced on the 240hz, 3DTV so this set should be just fine. It also uses the Bravia Engine 3 instead of the Engine 2 that the EX500 uses.

Can't wait to watch a blu ray!
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post #238 of 2400
1/22/10 at 3:53pm
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Can't wait to watch a blu ray!

Ohhh you must upload pictures when you get it!!! PLEASE
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post #239 of 2400
1/22/10 at 3:54pm
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I just finalized my pre-order for the 60EX700 today. It was a replacement offer made to me for my 60" LCD Projection that got the optical block problem. They first offered me the 60EX500, but if I was going to spend the money for a new TV I asked if I could get something with LED. That's what they offered for not much more.

I'm pretty excited. ETA is 2nd half of February. I'm not convinced on the 240hz, 3DTV so this set should be just fine. It also uses the Bravia Engine 3 instead of the Engine 2 that the EX500 uses.

Can't wait to watch a blu ray!

I called again today to try and get the same deal a you but they wouldnt go for it. I guess I'm stuck getting the EX500. You must have gotten lucky and talked to the right person.
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post #240 of 2400
1/22/10 at 3:57pm
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I called again today to try and get the same deal a you but they wouldnt go for it. I guess I'm stuck getting the EX500. You must have gotten lucky and talked to the right person.

Keep bragging, and you can also help pay the difference on a higher model.
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