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post #1201 of 2773
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Originally Posted by GoCaboNow View Post

Very nice. I love the woodworking and and looking forward to your progress and how you finish the wood.

Thanks GoCaboNow.

Here's a quick update from yesterday.

I'll post more photos later when time permits.

But I finished assembling the top layer of the stage. I ended up using Green Glue and MDF. I broke out the biscuit joiner for the first time. Pretty cool little gadget.



I spent a couple hours just cleaning up the room and vacuuming.

Now I'm ready to start assembling the front wall on top of the stage.
post #1202 of 2773
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Here are some more detailed pics of Saturday's work in the theater.

Notched the oak along the wall so it will be easier to put the 3/4" MDF on the lower wall.


Marked the center of the #20 biscuit joints:


Cut biscuit joints:


Dry fitted:


Serving up a dish of green glue. I didn't feel like cleaning out the gun for such a small section:









I used biscuits to join some of the MDF to the OAK.


Cleaned up the theater before starting the next phase.
post #1203 of 2773
WOW, just wow. I even learned a few things here

Love the woodwork !
post #1204 of 2773
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I'm thinking Green Glue may be the best way to attach then 2nd layer on the top of the stage along with some screws in the hidden areas. Then I could shoot some finish nails through the Oak on the visible areas.

I am pretty sure you already know this mcascio, but just in case someone else reading this isn't aware...

Green Glue isn't a glue, you can't use it to attach two pieces of wood together. It is a sound deadening material; it is placed between two solid pieces of material to help dampen sound transmission. For mcascio's stage, after applying the green glue he attached the wood to the stage with nails. If you look closely you can see the nail holes in the picture from yesterday.
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Originally Posted by BeerParty View Post

Green Glue isn't a glue

No it isn't but its darn sticky stuff all the same
post #1206 of 2773
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Originally Posted by Moggie View Post


No it isn't but its darn sticky stuff all the same

I stepped on a spot the other day that was over a week old. Stuck right to my shoe. It reminds me of flubber

But yeah it isn't glue.
post #1207 of 2773
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Originally Posted by BeerParty View Post

I am pretty sure you already know this mcascio, but just in case someone else reading this isn't aware...

Green Glue isn't a glue, you can't use it to attach two pieces of wood together. It is a sound deadening material; it is placed between two solid pieces of material to help dampen sound transmission. For mcascio's stage, after applying the green glue he attached the wood to the stage with nails. If you look closely you can see the nail holes in the picture from yesterday.

I guess I don't know how strong it is compared to other "glues". But when I cut through two layers of 3/4" osb with green glue in between that had been sitting for probably a month, the two pieces seemed fused together.

I'm glad you pointed that out though. I'd hate for others to use it inappropriately.

As you mentioned, I'd nailed and screwed the top layer to the bottom.
post #1208 of 2773
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Anyone see any issues with me using select Pine for building the front corner columns and doors below the screen? It'll be lighter and easier to build than using MDF.
post #1209 of 2773
Doubtful if it would really be seen unless someone was specifically looking at the finishes . . . but even if you did a supreme sanding and painting job on the pine, the final finish will still look different from the painted MDF of the other columns. Like I said, doubtful it would ever be noticed by any visitor, but I would probably just stick with the same material for the rest of the finish carpentry IMHO.

I can't wait to see those renderings become reality! Keep up the great work!
post #1210 of 2773
pine usually doesnt show grain after a couple of coats so i think it would look fine.

todays pine is all very soft new growth though...can gouge it with a fingernail.
post #1211 of 2773
Poplar may be a better choice if your gonna paint it. You won't have to deal with knots.
post #1212 of 2773
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Originally Posted by ktm250rider View Post

Poplar may be a better choice if your gonna paint it. You won't have to deal with knots.

I did the same in my home where I have painted trim. The little more it cost deff was worth it.

jim
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Anyone see any issues with me using select Pine for building the front corner columns and doors below the screen? It'll be lighter and easier to build than using MDF.

Depending on how your finishing the columns I say yes. I built all 7 of mine out of select pine from Menards. I painted it all black then covered with black GOM and couldnt be happier. It's very easy to work with and a bit lighter than MDF. The select pine at Menards is about the straightest lumber they have next to the red oak, maple, aspen stuff that is much more pricey. If you plan to stain/paint it and that is your final product I would suggest something more along the lines of maple, oak or birch.
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Originally Posted by ktm250rider View Post

Poplar may be a better choice if your gonna paint it. You won't have to deal with knots.

Most of the "select" pine (at my Menards store anyway)does not have knots.
post #1215 of 2773
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Thanks guys for chiming in.

I think I'm opting for the Select Pine. It looks straight and comes in a variety of widths/lengths which will make it much easier to build the front wall sections. MDF would be a pain to rip to all the sizes I need and then I'd still have to treat all the edges.

Given my application, the front wall is mostly GOM fabric with the Select Pine being the frame around it. I know it's softer, but it won't be touched too much once installed and the speakers are in.

I was considering Aspen, but they just didn't have as many width options as the pine. And with everything being painted black, I don't think it will matter too much in the end.
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Thanks guys for chiming in.

I think I'm opting for the Select Pine. It looks straight and comes in a variety of widths/lengths which will make it much easier to build the front wall sections. MDF would be a pain to rip to all the sizes I need and then I'd still have to treat all the edges.

Given my application, the front wall is mostly GOM fabric with the Select Pine being the frame around it. I know it's softer, but it won't be touched too much once installed and the speakers are in.

I was considering Aspen, but they just didn't have as many width options as the pine. And with everything being painted black, I don't think it will matter too much in the end.

I agree with you. Being painted black will cover any and all flaws.
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I made some more progress last night. As I worked on my plans for the front wall, I needed to verify that my chair rail on the front wall landed in the same spot as what was in 3D since a cabinet door was falling just below the chair rail. I noticed it was about a 1/2" off. Which lead me to breaking out a laser level to see why.

Turns out there is a little pitch to the room. I opted to adjust a couple of the columns down in the back of the room to compensate. Because the chair rail runs in between two pieces of moulding and I have it centered within that space I didn't want to take the chance of it being noticed. I'm also putting the lower MDF wall at the exact height of the top of the chair rail. It's challenging to get tight moulding joints let alone without having to cheat things at an angle.

Once I had the laser level set I just decided to start putting up the lower wall MDF since I had the pieces already ripped.

I'll be building fabric panels for the upper portion of the wall. I'm still debating if I should just install the crown moulding first and then fit the fabric panels below or install the fabric panels and then the crown moulding directly on top of the fabric panels. Installing the crown first would give me an option to replace the fabric in the event it were damaged. Installing on top of the fabric panel requires less work and accuracy when building the panels and I don't have to worry about a clean finished edge where the crown meets the fabric panel. Any thoughts / ideas?










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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I'll be building fabric panels for the upper portion of the wall. I'm still debating if I should just install the crown moulding first and then fit the fabric panels below or install the fabric panels and then the crown moulding directly on top of the fabric panels. Installing the crown first would give me an option to replace the fabric in the event it were damaged. Installing on top of the fabric panel requires less work and accuracy when building the panels and I don't have to worry about a clean finished edge where the crown meets the fabric panel. Any thoughts / ideas?

Looking good. Took a break from trim work myself this morning. On your crown I would suggest ripping down a spacer board the thickness of your finished fabric panel. This would be positioned just above your panel with a small gap. You would then mount your crown on that spacer board and let the bottom edge of the crown fall below the the bottom edge of the spacer board. Then the fabric panel would "tuck" in behind the crown and the crown's bottom edge would provide a clean line.
post #1219 of 2773
Put a quick diagram together if my words didn't make any sense!



This way you can have a nice clean line, hide the top of the panel, and still be able to remove them.
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Originally Posted by RedTopDown View Post

Put a quick diagram together if my words didn't make any sense!

This way you can have a nice clean line, hide the top of the panel, and still be able to remove them.

Great idea.. Might be stealing this one myself.
post #1221 of 2773
Beautiful work! I wish I had the space you have. I'm jealous. I really like your design as well, I'm thinking of something similar on a smaller scale. I haven't gone through your whole thread yet. Were you planing on staining all your trim or painting it black like your vendors?

Bud
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Your attention to detail is stunning! Beautiful work!

I especially like your CAD drawings. I showed them to my classmates and teacher in an Engineering Design and Development class and we were all very impressed. They are some of the best and most detailed I have ever seen.
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Originally Posted by RedTopDown View Post

Put a quick diagram together if my words didn't make any sense!



This way you can have a nice clean line, hide the top of the panel, and still be able to remove them.

This should work. Everything is coming 3/4" off the wall and the material will push it out a bit as well. So maybe if I put a slight bevel on the fabric frame, it will compensate for the depth of the fabric on both sides.

I'm dealing with the same issue at the chair rail. I originally was planning on doing something similar with the chair rail, but I can't do it with both the crown and the chair rail with out me pinning the fabric frame in there. Perhaps the crown will hold the fabric frame in and it can just rest on the chair rail assuming I make a nice tight fit.
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Originally Posted by chinadog View Post

Beautiful work! I wish I had the space you have. I'm jealous. I really like your design as well, I'm thinking of something similar on a smaller scale. I haven't gone through your whole thread yet. Were you planing on staining all your trim or painting it black like your vendors?

Bud

It's been discussed briefly but I still need to research the best method. My goal is to make the oak black though in the end like the renders. I thought it would have been neat to have it stained with a dark red, but I don't think it will look right with the black cabinets on the dark red oak stage.
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Originally Posted by aaustin View Post

Your attention to detail is stunning! Beautiful work!

I especially like your CAD drawings. I showed them to my classmates and teacher in an Engineering Design and Development class and we were all very impressed. They are some of the best and most detailed I have ever seen.

Wow. Thanks aaustin. I appreciate the kind words.
post #1226 of 2773
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I made a nice dent in the theater yesterday.

I finished leveling and mounting all the in-room columns and installing some more of the lower 3rd MDF on the wall. I also ended up putting another gang box in the front column where I put in a cat5 cable. That will allow IR control of any LED step lighting.







post #1227 of 2773
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I also discovered that I should be able to use my 16 ga finish nailer to secure the backside of the bull nosing (along with glue). I know Moggie screwed his down, but the finish nailer will take all the guess work out of it and shoot it in at the perfect angle each time.
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post


This should work. Everything is coming 3/4" off the wall and the material will push it out a bit as well. So maybe if I put a slight bevel on the fabric frame, it will compensate for the depth of the fabric on both sides.

I'm dealing with the same issue at the chair rail. I originally was planning on doing something similar with the chair rail, but I can't do it with both the crown and the chair rail with out me pinning the fabric frame in there. Perhaps the crown will hold the fabric frame in and it can just rest on the chair rail assuming I make a nice tight fit.

Not sure how much space you will have, but you could do the same thing with the chair rail. If you can leave more space above the fabric panel with the spacer board, you can push the fabric panel up enough to clear the char rail, push it against the wall, then let it drop down into the space behind the chair rail. You might need to just make your top rail of the panel a little thinner than the rest of the frame to allow for the angle when you insert.
post #1229 of 2773
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RedTopDown,

I don't think there's much surface area on the crown to move the spacer board too far up...maybe a 1/4" or so. But I think I just need a little bit of a lip. I'll play with the idea as it gets closer to that time. I'm still trying to see if there are any other options too.

So I'm still trying to nail down the front and make sure I can get the subs in/out.

I'm leaning towards removing the chair rail from the front in order to make the cabinet door 3" bigger to about a 2'3" tall opening. That should get me a 2' sub in the door.

Otherwise it'll be too hard to maneuver a 130 lb 2' sub in and out.

Here are some original vs new concept renders. I think I'm liking the cleaner look anyways.

Original with Chair Rail on Front Columns


New Concept without Chair Rail and Larger Cabinet Door



Original with Chair Rail on Front Columns


New Concept without Chair Rail and Larger Cabinet Door
post #1230 of 2773
I like the chair rail, but hear you on your reasoning
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