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Originally Posted by chinadog View Post

Thank you sir. I was having a hard time visualizing where you put the screws and now it makes sense. You had to offset it some and just the tip got into the angled part.

The theater is really coming together nicely. Looking forward to the wood finishing part.

Bud

Thanks Bud. I ended up using 1" fine thread screws to make sure they didn't go all the way through.
post #1292 of 2754
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Any one know if these double roller catches would be better to use for the front cabinet doors instead of magnets knowing the subs will be behind them?
http://www.homedepot.com/Kitchen-Cab...&storeId=10051
post #1293 of 2754
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Any one know

No, I don't know - BUT! Depending on the quality of the roller cathes, I'd suspect they are more likely to rattle, and some kind of cushion would be required to keep the door quiet. I don't think a strong magnet (or two) would be as problematic.
post #1294 of 2754
I agree with Fred -- I would be worried that roller catches would rattle.

I think neodymium magnets are capable of holding the door closed against the pressure generated by the sub. If you're worried about it, you could use a magnet-to-magnet connection.

If you use more than one magnet-to-magnet connection with the high-tech magnets, you may have a hard time opening the door. I'm serious. It takes a lot of force to pull a pair of those magnets apart. You can slide one magnet off of the other by pushing it sideways, but to pull them apart without any sideways movement is quite a chore.
post #1295 of 2754
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Thanks guys. I'll go the magnet route.
post #1296 of 2754
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I was able to get both corner cabinets attached to the walls using a 2x4 and a 4x4 post on the room interior side.



post #1297 of 2754
Ok stop. Enough already. That looks too nice. Too professional.
post #1298 of 2754
Awesome. Man really looking good!
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I see that you have a 9.2 receiver, but you are going to run 11 speakers. How are you going to do that? Multiple speakers on the same channel?
post #1300 of 2754
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Thanks guys.

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Originally Posted by cobra4v View Post

I see that you have a 9.2 receiver, but you are going to run 11 speakers. How are you going to do that? Multiple speakers on the same channel?

As you mentioned, the Onkyo is only capable of 9.2. I'll be switching between the highs and wides to see which combo I like best and then eventually will have to upgrade to an 11.2 receiver. I've got extra speaker wires ran to even go higher than 11.2 fortunately. So I should have plenty of options when 16.8 comes around.
post #1301 of 2754
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Thanks guys.

As you mentioned, the Onkyo is only capable of 9.2. I'll be switching between the highs and wides to see which combo I like best and then eventually will have to upgrade to an 11.2 receiver. I've got extra speaker wires ran to even go higher than 11.2 fortunately. So I should have plenty of options when 16.8 comes around.

Or get a separate amp for your fronts and let the Onkyo power the surrounds, heights, and wides.
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Oh, okay. So you are switching between the two, not both. Thanks
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Or get a separate amp for your fronts and let the Onkyo power the surrounds, heights, and wides.

I have a separate amp (XPA-5), but AFAIK, the Onkyo will only produce sound for up to 9.2. Am I wrong?
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I have a separate amp (XPA-5), but AFAIK, the Onkyo will only produce sound for up to 9.2. Am I wrong?

No, you are not wrong. No Onkyo or Integra product can run a full 11.2 setup, even with additional amplification 9.2 is the most they can do. So far Denon is the only manufacturer that has offered a AVR that can run a full 11.2 setup with the addition of a 2 channel outboard amplifier, with their 4810CI and 4311CI/A100 AVR's.

As for your Onkyo, from what I can tell is that so far you bought it ahead of time when you started your theater build but have not used it yet. But I don't know if you are aware of this or not, is that there have been problems with them locking up and becoming unresponsive due to a cable corrosion issue. There are several threads here on AVS about people that have had the problem, and what was done to fix it by having a service center replace a cable and install new connectors. Onkyo has even issued a press release about the problem.

http://www.us.onkyo.com/press_releases.cfm?id=215
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post


I have a separate amp (XPA-5), but AFAIK, the Onkyo will only produce sound for up to 9.2. Am I wrong?

Oops you're right. Completely overlooked that.
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Any one know if these double roller catches would be better to use for the front cabinet doors instead of magnets knowing the subs will be behind them?
http://www.homedepot.com/Kitchen-Cab...&storeId=10051

I have used these roller clips, four per panel, and have never had one ounce of problems with any rattles. They hold extremely strong and tight. I have used a four of the self-stick rubber cabinet pads on the backside as an extra insurance against wood against wood rattles. So you would be absolutely fine using the roller clips without issue.
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Originally Posted by Johnla View Post

No, you are not wrong. No Onkyo or Integra product can run a full 11.2 setup, even with additional amplification 9.2 is the most they can do. So far Denon is the only manufacturer that has offered a AVR that can run a full 11.2 setup with the addition of a 2 channel outboard amplifier, with their 4810CI and 4311CI/A100 AVR's.

As for your Onkyo, from what I can tell is that so far you bought it ahead of time when you started your theater build but have not used it yet. But I don't know if you are aware of this or not, is that there have been problems with them locking up and becoming unresponsive due to a cable corrosion issue. There are several threads here on AVS about people that have had the problem, and what was done to fix it by having a service center replace a cable and install new connectors. Onkyo has even issued a press release about the problem.

http://www.us.onkyo.com/press_releases.cfm?id=215

Thanks for the info. I thought Denon was the only 11.2 player at this time.

I do have my Onkyo setup in my Great Room. I wasn't however aware of the problems you mentioned. AFAIK, it's been working as expected so maybe I'm a lucky one...or an unlucky one if it ends up breaking after warranty.
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

I have used these roller clips, four per panel, and have never had one ounce of problems with any rattles. They hold extremely strong and tight. I have used a four of the self-stick rubber cabinet pads on the backside as an extra insurance against wood against wood rattles. So you would be absolutely fine using the roller clips without issue.

I thought the roller clips would have been better than magnets since they lock in. I guess either option should work well. And the rubber pads are a good idea in both cases too.
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The corner structures turned out great! That stage is going to be awesome. Nice work.
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I got a start on the top of the center cabinet. I decided to use 3/4" MDF. Like the oak, I'll put a base shoe underneath it to add some meat to the front. Then I plan to wrap it with a dark fabric. The base shoe will give me a nice way to hide staples, glue and the edge of the darkening matrial.

I needed a 12'6" piece so I could trace the front of the stage curve so I connected two pieces together with the Kreg and glue. I may make a 2' section in the middle of the top removable so I can get a sub in/out easier. I think the darkening material will hide the seam well.

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Hi Mario -

I have a quick question. Those wires coming from the front, I get what they are from a previous diagram I saw, but are you planning to use wall plates? Also, where are you going to plug your subs in?

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by themarkkram View Post

Hi Mario -

I have a quick question. Those wires coming from the front, I get what they are from a previous diagram I saw, but are you planning to use wall plates? Also, where are you going to plug your subs in?

Thanks!

I probably won't use any type of wall plates for the cables on the back wall. I'll just terminate them and connect directly to the speakers or subs. They'll be hidden from site. Although I still need to develop a plan to mount the speakers on the back wall. So if the opportunity arises and I have some framing there, I might opt for a wall plate.

I currently only have one sub. So the current plan will be to put it directly in the center of the room under the front cabinet. I'll do a walk test first to see if that is a good spot for it. When I add a 2nd sub, I'll probably set it in the back center of the room to keep them both centered to the room. If I end up going with four subs, they'll end up going in the four corners of the room.
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I traced my cut lines from the front stage for the top of my front wall cabinet.


Then using the jig saw, I cut along the curve.


I'll be mirrioring this for the bottom portion of the cabinet as well. It just won't be quite as deep.
post #1314 of 2754
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I made some progress on the bottom portion of the front wall cabinet.
I used the top curve to trace the bottom section. I plan to attach a 1x2 maple to the front for a finished edge. The top will have a couple inch over hang.



After tracing the curve, I used the jigsaw and just cut near the line leaving about an 1/8".

Then I used a router with a flush trim bit to cut it down.




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How did you trace the arc?
post #1316 of 2754
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

How did you trace the arc?

Just stacked the two layers of MDF and used a pencil. The initial arc was traced from the front stage.
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You have some incredible skills and patience. I cannot wait to see the finished product. Great job so far.
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You have some incredible skills and patience. I cannot wait to see the finished product. Great job so far.

Thanks. I would have to agree with you on the patience part. To have theater chairs sitting in a box for six years and the D-Box on a shelf...takes a lot of discipline.
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Here are some pictures from yesterdays work on the front wall cabinetry.

I started by routing an 1/8" round over on the cabinet top. This will allow the fabric to rollover nicely when I wrap it. I might bump it up to a 1/4" though.


Then I routed the edge of my 1x2 Maple that will be showing on the room side. Next I used the Kreg Jig and marked areas where I thought I could place screws and avoid the supports that will go inbetween the cabinet doors.

I was able to use the bottom shelf of the cabinet as a perfect way to wrap the 1x2 onto the larger top. In the picture below, everything is flipped upside down. So the top layer is actually the bottom side of the bottom of the cabinet. And the 3/4" MDF below that is the under side of the cabinet top.


I used 1" coarse threads to screw into the 3/4" mdf.


I extended the 1x2 over the edge. Then I just have to flip it over and cut off the extra with a jig saw flush to the mdf.


Not sure what best practice is, but any joints along the curves I've been cutting at a 30 degree angle. I had to use two 1x2's in order to make the full 12'+ curve. They seem to glue nicely together at that angle. I also make sure I cut both pieces while the saw is set at that angle before readjusting the saw.


Here's the routed edge of the maple.


After the glue dried, I started brad nailing and attaching the base shoe to the cabinet top under side edge. There's a nice little gap between the shoe and 1x2 for me to brad nail, staple or glue the fabric and have it hidden from view.


Here's a side profile of the top upside down. Remember, that top layer of MDF is the bottom and not attached aside from the clamps as a guide.


Here are both pieces assembled.


Today, I'll be attaching a 1x2 to the front of the base of the cabinet arch made of MDF. I've predrilled all the Kreg holes already.
post #1320 of 2754
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Guys. Looking for some input on the front wall cabinet doors.

Is it critical that the cabinet door rails and stiles be the same size?

I'm using a 1x2 divider between the cabinet doors so I'll have a place to install the hinges. This adds more meat in between the doors than my initial plan which was only a 3/4" divider.

Would it be bad for me to use 1x2's on the stiles (vertical) and then 1x3's on the rail (horizontal) of the cabinet door?

I'd have to render it first, but I think ripping a 2.5" board down to 2" would be better for the rail and the stiles. But I just haven't ever been able to get perfectly straight rips with my borrowed table saw. Not sure if it's the saw, the blade, material or just me. So I'm preferring to use factory edges to ensure a nice tight fit.

See here's an illustration of both options:



And the final renders of both options.

OPTION A




OPTION B





I think using 1x2's all the way around wouldn't provide enough reveal compared to the moulding I'm using on the inside of the cabinet doors.

Any thoughts?
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