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They pieces in the above picture you used as stair tread (with the lip that overhangs), did you make those or purchase them? I need something to do the edges of a riser where the carpet will meet up to it and will also over hang the edge. I have seen pics on here of people doing what I want to do but not sure if it is something that can be purchased off the shelf?
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Well now you're just teasing me...I couldn't work in the basement because my ears are still ringing from listening to a framing nailer for 2 days

Good news is I only have one more section of the basement to frame and then the waiting game for the HVAC company to come in and put in another zone.
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

They pieces in the above picture you used as stair tread (with the lip that overhangs), did you make those or purchase them? I need something to do the edges of a riser where the carpet will meet up to it and will also over hang the edge. I have seen pics on here of people doing what I want to do but not sure if it is something that can be purchased off the shelf?

Hi Iusteve,

I made them. I used a 1/2" x 3/4" base shoe on the underside. It actually was pretty easy to do using a brad nailer and glue. Since mine was curved, it was impossible to purchase. But there should be some straight options available at the big box stores.
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Well now you're just teasing me...I couldn't work in the basement because my ears are still ringing from listening to a framing nailer for 2 days

Good news is I only have one more section of the basement to frame and then the waiting game for the HVAC company to come in and put in another zone.

Larry,

Invest in some ear plugs with a string on them so you'll always have them around your neck and won't have an excuse for not putting them in. I didn't get mine until half way through the project. You feel better at the end of the day unless you really don't want to hear your significant other.

Wow - your framing is moving right along.
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Originally Posted by longtimelurker View Post

loctite PL is amazing.

i dont understand why people use liquid nails and/or how they stay in business.

if anyone thinks liquid nails is good enough, try that PL line....


looks awesome.

I still have a few tubes of Liquid Nails left from the basement project so I'm slowly getting rid of it all. I honestly don't know enough to compare them against the loctite since I haven't worked with both enough.

But the loctite did do a great job of securing the bullnose.
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Originally Posted by nickbuol View Post

Some of you disgust me with you pure woodworking awesomeness! My riser is square, and I am hiding just about ever ounce of wood in the place since it will never look as amazing as what you can do. And the funny thing is that some people are in pure awe about my skills.... If only they knew! Keep up the awesome build.

Thanks nickbuol,

I'm hoping with the pics and detailed description of products I'm posting that it will encourage other beginners like myself to take on the task. Knowing the tools, products and a few snapshots of the progress goes a long way for a novice to achieve similar results.
post #1507 of 2773
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Hi Iusteve,

I made them. I used a 1/2" x 3/4" base shoe on the underside. It actually was pretty easy to do using a brad nailer and glue. Since mine was curved, it was impossible to purchase. But there should be some straight options available at the big box stores.

Why can I not see the seem where the shoe meets the oak stock? I assume you just brad nailed the shoe vertically to the edge of the horizontal stock?
post #1508 of 2773
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Once you sand the edges with an orbital sander it becomes really tough to see the seam.

I believe I posted more pictures if you look back around Jan 8th, 2012 in my thread.

But here's a picture that you can see the brad nails and base shoe on the underside being attached.


Before attaching, run some wood glue on the base shoe or stock itself...then run your finger over the glue to smooth it out and cover the entire surface before brad nailing.

The 3/4" side is attached to the oak stock.
post #1509 of 2773
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I'm getting closer to needing to do something with the slab door I bought 6 - 8 months ago. A bit premature to say the least.

I think I'll use the the same moulding that I use inbetween the columns on the door to give it that paneled look.




post #1510 of 2773
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I didn't want to see the bare 2x4 when I opened the Patch Panel doors. So I primed and painted some 1x4's black to line the inside of the cabinet.





I also built and primed the fabric frame that surrounds the cabinet door. This was probably one of the more frustrating pieces of the project because nothing was square in that corner including the maple 1x3's I used. But with a lot of trimming around the edges with my flush bit I think I have enough space for the fabric to surround it.

The GOM claret accent fabric came in today so I may get a chance to wrap it sooner than later. I plan to keep the edges of my frames sharp (no bevel) so that should save me some time. I'll probably quickly sand the corners to prevent the fabric from tearing. If anyone has tips on how to handle the inside edges of wrapping my patch panel frame I'm open to ideas. I assume I just need to slit the fabric in the corner at an angle and then wrap the fabric around and staple.




The door I still need to build will fit in the opening and look like the front wall cabinets.
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Once you sand the edges with an orbital sander it becomes really tough to see the seam.

I believe I posted more pictures if you look back around Jan 8th, 2012 in my thread.

But here's a picture that you can see the brad nails and base shoe on the underside being attached.


Before attaching, run some wood glue on the base shoe or stock itself...then run your finger over the glue to smooth it out and cover the entire surface before brad nailing.

The 3/4" side is attached to the oak stock.

So by looking at the picture. Did you take the oak stock, use a round-over router bit on the top edge then glue/nail the shoe to the under side creating a full curved edge??
post #1512 of 2773
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I'm getting closer to needing to do something with the slab door I bought 6 - 8 months ago. A bit premature to say the least.

I think I'll use the the same moulding that I use inbetween the columns on the door to give it that paneled look.

Bit premature, at least you don't have a projector in the box for months

I like the door design, I was thinking of the same idea as you could customize it to match your room. Only problem is finishing the other side to match the rest of the basement.
post #1513 of 2773
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

So by looking at the picture. Did you take the oak stock, use a round-over router bit on the top edge then glue/nail the shoe to the under side creating a full curved edge??

That is correct.

I've got a detailed photos and step-by-step instructions of how I did it here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21463004
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Bit premature, at least you don't have a projector in the box for months

I like the door design, I was thinking of the same idea as you could customize it to match your room. Only problem is finishing the other side to match the rest of the basement.

Hi Larry,

Yeah. I may have broken the technology theater construction rule twice by buying not one but "two" different projectors before the theater was finished because the projector was already outdated.

I think I'm at a bit of an advantage having the theater foyer in between the sets of doors. The theater door will be the same on both sides in black. The other foyer door is a six panel door matching the rest of the basement. It will be white on one side and black on the theater foyer side.

This actually transitions nicely into a sound proofing / decoupling question. When I frame the door it obviously will need to be attached between the double stud walls that I have an inch space in. By doing this I assume I'm coupling the two walls together. Is this just par for the course and I shouldn't worry about it?
post #1515 of 2773
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

This actually transitions nicely into a sound proofing / decoupling question. When I frame the door it obviously will need to be attached between the double stud walls that I have an inch space in. By doing this I assume I'm coupling the two walls together. Is this just par for the course and I shouldn't worry about it?

There have been some discussions about this. If I recall correctly, you will want to build the door frame in two sections -- so instead of having a single door frame that's (for example) 8" wide, you might have two frames that are each 4" wide. The frame on the theater side is screwed into the theater-side framing, and the frame on the outside is screwed or nailed into the outer framing. Leave a small gap between the frames and fill it with acoustical sealant. Cover the caulk seam with the door stop moulding, which is nailed in place only on the theater-side frame and floats over the outer frame.

Is that understandable? Translating the picture in my head into words is hard.
post #1516 of 2773
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

That is correct.

I've got a detailed photos and step-by-step instructions of how I did it here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post21463004

Awesome that helps a ton. So when finished does this just give you a 3/4" lip on the underside? I was hoping to do something similar but have an inch or more gap.
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Originally Posted by dwightp View Post

There have been some discussions about this. If I recall correctly, you will want to build the door frame in two sections...

This precludes a pre-hung door entirely, doesn't it?

And, at least to me, your explanation was good; though I'm not sure where exactly the seam between the halves of the frame will end up.

Fred
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Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

This precludes a pre-hung door entirely, doesn't it?

Pre-hung is still possible, but you have to remove the standard stop moulding and replace it with a piece that is wide enough to cover the seam between the pre-hung frame and the frame trimming out the remainder of the opening.



It might be a bit hard to see in this picture, but this is a standard pre-hung door for a 2x4 wall in an opening that is a 2x6 wall with 2 layers of 1/2" drywall on 1 side. The piece of wood that is the stop moulding in this picture is actually baseboard.
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

Awesome that helps a ton. So when finished does this just give you a 3/4" lip on the underside? I was hoping to do something similar but have an inch or more gap.

Here's an illustration to show the dimensions that may prove helpful.
I initially was trying to rip Oak down to 3/4" x 3/4" after routing it with the 1/2" rounder over. But was unsuccessful in getting a straight cut. I'm so glad I went the base shoe route since it saved a ton of time. If you need to and want more height on the front edge, you could attach a small 3/4" stock board first, then attach the 1/2" side to the underside of the step.

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Originally Posted by dwightp View Post

There have been some discussions about this. If I recall correctly, you will want to build the door frame in two sections -- so instead of having a single door frame that's (for example) 8" wide, you might have two frames that are each 4" wide. The frame on the theater side is screwed into the theater-side framing, and the frame on the outside is screwed or nailed into the outer framing. Leave a small gap between the frames and fill it with acoustical sealant. Cover the caulk seam with the door stop moulding, which is nailed in place only on the theater-side frame and floats over the outer frame.

Is that understandable? Translating the picture in my head into words is hard.

It makes sense, but I would think it would be pretty difficult to get the separate sections to be aligned nicely given they would be attached to different 2x4's. I guess that's where shimming comes in.

In my case, I'm using the Sound Proofing Company door seals. So I'd have to lay this out in 3D to see where the door seam lands and the door seals.

Do any threads or links come to mind where someone has done this? I just don't remember this being done or even talked about.

Hopefully Ted from the Sound Proofing Company can chime in.
post #1521 of 2773
Mario, In a double wall scenario, you'll mount the door jamb to one of the two stud walls, as per normal. The rest of your door jamb is essentially an extension jamb, Which is attached to the second set of studs. As Dwight said, there is a small 1/4" gap between the actual door jamb and the extension jamb. Seal with sealant. This sealant bead can also be covered with a small piece of trim molding attached to either the actual jamb or the extension, but preferably not both

This keeps everything decoupled. Is this what you were looking for?
post #1522 of 2773
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Thanks Ted.

Yeah - I just though I'd seen so many theater threads building bigger jambs when really you are just building a second one separate from the door. This actually makes it easier in some respects.
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Mario, if you build what Ted just described, please post lots of pictures, as I am very interested and kinda inept.
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Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

Mario, if you build what Ted just described, please post lots of pictures, as I am very interested and kinda inept.

You bet.
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Went back and cleaned up my cuts using the Bosch. What a difference!

Thanks for the info on the sanding sealer and process. I'll be giving it a go soon. The edges do look like they will absorb like a sponge.

BigmouthinDC,
Have you tried the thinned drywall compound method? Just curious if one is better/easier than the other. How 'bout you Bryan? Any experience with both methods?

TheaterChad,
Thanks for chiming in. Moral support is always welcome.


Just thought I'd post some plans for the column in case it benefits anyone down the road.

These are the short column dimensions? What about the tall ones?
post #1526 of 2773
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Originally Posted by cdika17 View Post

These are the short column dimensions? What about the tall ones?

Here are the dimensions of the taller columns I made.

post #1527 of 2773
Mario, did you say you used a 1/2" roundover bit on the stair step?

And where did you get your bits? I cant see paying $32 for the ones @ Lowes.
post #1528 of 2773
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post

Mario, did you say you used a 1/2" roundover bit on the stair step?

And where did you get your bits? I cant see paying $32 for the ones @ Lowes.

That is correct.

I think I bought a set of 4 round over bits at Menards. Not sure what I paid, but I think it was about $12-15 for the set. It was their Tool Shop brand.
post #1529 of 2773
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

That is correct.

I think I bought a set of 4 round over bits at Menards. Not sure what I paid, but I think it was about $12-15 for the set. It was their Tool Shop brand.

Any reason it needs to be a 1/2" bit? Would a 1/4" work or would that not be enough "roundover"?
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Originally Posted by Iusteve View Post


Any reason it needs to be a 1/2" bit? Would a 1/4" work or would that not be enough "roundover"?

I think a 1/2" would be better on your feet. Plus it matches the roundover on the factory base shoe.
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