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post #1771 of 2753
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Originally Posted by Moggie View Post

Mario, you are making such great progress, where do you find the time? Have you taken a sabbatical from paying work

I'm loving how the construction follows the renders so closely. When do you think you are going to be ready to paint all the trim?

Cheers

Thanks Moggie. Time is hard to come by with two kids and work. It seems I've been to kids birthday parties every weekend for the past four weeks. I try to get in the theater usually after dinner. Load up on Monster energy drinks also helps. My yard work is falling behind as well. With warm weather here I'm very motivated to get this done.

My punch list before paint is getting shorter. I've started planning the back bar. But ill probably move a few chairs in there for field testing first. How high is your counter on your back bar? 3'?

I'd say I'm realistically three weeks from painting. The can light soffit and back bar are the two big items left.
post #1772 of 2753
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Now that you're done with the fabric stapler, feel free to mail it to me

Funny you should say that . I was just thinking yesterday that too bad there wasn't a theater builder survival rent kit. Contains all the basic tools one needs.

I'll still be needing mine to staple the fabric to the column sides after paint.
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Hooking up central vac isn't really fun though

I hired someone to install my basement central vacuum and connect it with the main floor. I think it was only $400 to add 4 inlets, labor and material. It probably would have taken me 10 trips to Menards and a weeks worth of time...so well worth it for me.
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Thanks. I haven't been keeping up with all the other builds. I'll have to jump over to yours. If you are ordering fabric I must have missed a lot of action.

Mine is nothing compared to yours.

My fabric is close to going up, hopefully next month. I need to do a few more prep things and get my carpet it before I can start the fabric and trim. I just ordered my Porter-Cable staple gun. It should be here sometime this week.

Keep up the good work!
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Mine is nothing compared to yours.

My fabric is close to going up, hopefully next month. I need to do a few more prep things and get my carpet it before I can start the fabric and trim. I just ordered my Porter-Cable staple gun. It should be here sometime this week.

Keep up the good work!

Thanks. I did stop over to your thread and it is coming together nicely. The fabric really motivates you because you can start to see it more as a finished room.
post #1776 of 2753
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I started working on some ideas for the back bar over the weekend.

So far this is my favorite design. I just don't want it to look too meaty as you walk in the room. I tried some wrought iron designs, but didn't like them. So I went more with similar panels and mouldings that are alredy in the room.

So to add some airiness to the design, I raised the center area between the supports off the ground.

The top counter is 16" deep x about 8' wide. The counter sits at 3' high. The bar arch will match the other arches in the room and the back of the seating.

I'm open to any suggestions or comments before I commit to building it. I would think structurally, the two side pillars will support the counter even though the center is not fixed to the ground.





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i like it but does it crowd the room some? are you going to being putting bar chairs there also ?
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Have you considered a bar foot rail...maybe something in an oil rubbed bronze? It might prevent your nice trim work from getting scuffed/kicked.

http://www.kegworks.com/bar-foot-rai...ed-bronze-1371

Based on your color scheme, this finish seemed better than brass or stainless steel. You would just need to make sure it doesn't rattle.
post #1779 of 2753
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i like it but does it crowd the room some? are you going to being putting bar chairs there also ?

It will certainly close it in a bit. But I keep reminding myself that it's only 3' tall and not a wall...so I think it will still feel somewhat open.

I'd like to squeeze in about 3-4 stools for overflow. Mostly just for football games or during parties where people just pop in/out.
post #1780 of 2753
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This top view will help show how it fit's in the room.

There's about 2'2" of walking space between the bar counter and the back columns.

post #1781 of 2753
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Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Have you considered a bar foot rail...maybe something in an oil rubbed bronze? It might prevent your nice trim work from getting scuffed/kicked.

http://www.kegworks.com/bar-foot-rai...ed-bronze-1371

Based on your color scheme, this finish seemed better than brass or stainless steel. You would just need to make sure it doesn't rattle.

A foot rail would open up possibilities to making it more open. Although, I'd probably prefer a black rail than even the oil rubbed bronze.

I'd also have to find a way to bend it to the shape of the arch. I haven't worked out in quite some time since starting the theater.
post #1782 of 2753
i see your point it would nice to have some extra seating, but then again you do have a tv at your bar ... i like the extra seating but i also love the look of your theater when you walk in and bam! that screen wall is staring you right in the face your screen wall is a work of art to me..
post #1783 of 2753
Your space looks wonderful.

I have a bar in the back of my room and the granite slab is 20" deep. With the way I constructed the slab support it only leaves about 14" from the front of the slab to wall under the granite. If I had to do over I would leave open gaps for people's feet or something to give more room. We use the bar alot for movie over-flow or sporting events and if folks are going to sit there a while they like to get close to the bar so they can lean on it then stretch out their feet and a little more leg room would be nice.
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i see your point it would nice to have some extra seating, but then again you do have a tv at your bar ... i like the extra seating but i also love the look of your theater when you walk in and bam! that screen wall is staring you right in the face your screen wall is a work of art to me..

You bring up a good point. The back bar will probably be used a few times a year. Aside from the bar tv, there's also another 55" TV in the lower living area next to the bar that seats another six people or so. Maybe that's the over flow.

I guess we could always pull in the bar stools and have people sit right behind the back row.

I could play around with the idea of it being more of just a ledge rather than a bar. Although I may still run into closing it off.
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I agree about the need for more knee and foot space under the bar. In another home I used steel (channel) angle braces to support the granite slab.

Your craftsmanship is awe-inspiring!
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Hey Mario - things are looking really sweet!

Regarding the back bar....I like your design and understand where you are going with it, but I have to agree with some of the other recent postings that you may be better off leaving the support structure open and making the bar even smaller to preserve traffic flow on those high-capacity days. If you only have 2'2" now, I can only imagine that the people sitting at the ends of the bar would be shuffling back and forth constantly to get out of the way of traffic.

I had bookmarked a theater design by a fellow AVS member a long time ago and intend to mimic his back bar / overflow seating. I plan to use stools that will tuck under the bar completely when not in use instead of the backed chairs Jeff uses. And I figure as long as there is enough room to lean elbows and sit a drink, the depth should be fine - especially given how infrequently it would be in use.

Here's a link to Jeff's theater back bar, another view from the back of the room here and the final room with seating installed here.

I have also seen other back bars that integrate the iPad dock/charging station and a few other conveniences - don't know if you have the wiring there or not for anything electronic to sit on the bar.

Can't wait to see further updates!
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

So to add some airiness to the design, I raised the center area between the supports off the ground.

I would think structurally, the two side pillars will support the counter even though the center is not fixed to the ground.

With no center support, it would be a challenge to build that section of curved center panels in a way that would keep the countertop from flexing. Will your countertop material be able to tolerate some flex? A slab of granite, for example, won't flex much before it cracks.

It would help if you put a "foot" in the middle of the curved center panels, to split the span in half.
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Thanks. I did stop over to your thread and it is coming together nicely. The fabric really motivates you because you can start to see it more as a finished room.

It is coming together very SLOWLY. Between a 5yr old, 3yr old, a wife, and a odd work schedule I have no time. It has been over 3 years since I first bought my lumber, but what can you expect when I'm lucky to work on it for 3 hours in a week.

I must say though between ordering my carpet and my fabric, the end is in sight. I'm doing my fabric a little different than I've seen done before. I'm actually going to make frames with my trim and attaching the fabric to the back of the trim. Then placing it against the wall and securing the frame/trim to the furring strips.
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That bar looks nice that way, and is consistent with the rest of the room aesthetic, but I think I would want the front of it to be open. Being able to stick you legs out under it or sit close to the bar without bumping your knees would be nice.

For some reason, the corners look dangerous to me. I feel like they might benefit from some rounding (and a nice profile that complements the trim wood work). And if you're going to all that trouble, it sure would be nice to have power for a laptop in there somewhere.

I'm sure it will be great however you finish it.
post #1790 of 2753
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

The top counter is 16" deep x about 8' wide. The counter sits at 3' high. The bar arch will match the other arches in the room and the back of the seating.

What kind of seating were you planning to have? If it's standard chairs like you would have in a dining room, your top should be 29" high. If you want to use standard bar stools, your top should be 42" high. Your plan for 36" puts your counter top at the same height as kitchen counters (too high for chairs and too low for typical bar stools). You can get 'short' bar stools for a counter at that height, but you will need to be aware of that when you place your order.

Just so you know, I have 4 of the 'short' stools for my kitchen island, and they are fine. The place we ordered from offered all their stools in standard height and 'short' height for the 36" high counters, I would assume most places selling stools would do the same. So you don't need to worry about selection.
post #1791 of 2753
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Thanks guys. Your responses have been very helpful and informative.

My goal was to use short backless bar stools. I didn't want to go 42" because I didn't want to create a wall as you walked into the room.

Putting outlets and data ports into the back counter is out unless I want to break up concrete again. I've always been unsure as to whether I'd do the back counter bar which is why I didn't route anything to it. However, there is data and power just under the back row seats if I really needed it. But with iPads lasting 10 hours and wifi connections I don't think I'll even need any of that. And this comes from a guy who overwires everything.

I did play around with similar designs that TMcG pointed me to.
The bar looks great in his room, but takes on a different look in mine with the curve.



So I just wasn't impressed with it in my space.

Like everyone's suggested, you really would like to put your feet under it to use it functionally. So I'm thinking of just tossing out the back bar altogether.
I'd rather not crowd the space with something that barely gets used and on top of that doesn't look polished or even functional. As mentioned, the bar just outside the theater that seats nine comfortably can act as my overflow area. By removing the bar, this also gives me the flexibility to move the back row seating further back. Giving more leg room. This also opens the back up for walking to your seats. Overflow can still gather in the back or I can pull in the bar stools. One more plus, I just saved myself a week's worth of work and 10 trips to the big box stores.

If I come up with a design I like I may change my mind. Maybe at some point I could build more of a sofa table that's only 5' wide.
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I started knocking out the moulding frames for the lower part of all the columns. I could have just attached these individually to the columns after painting the columns and stapling the fabric...but I thought it would be much easier to have them prebuilt and painted. Then I can just brad nail the entire frame to the column and touch up the holes.

I used this frame jig from Menards. I just glued the corners and let sit for an hour. Then shot a 1 1/4" 18 gauge brad nail through the corners to lock both pieces together.

I have to build eight of these.




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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I'd rather not crowd the space with something that barely gets used and on top of that doesn't look polished or even functional. As mentioned, the bar just outside the theater that seats nine comfortably can act as my overflow area. By removing the bar, this also gives me the flexibility to move the back row seating further back. Giving more leg room. This also opens the back up for walking to your seats. Overflow can still gather in the back or I can pull in the bar stools. One more plus, I just saved myself a week's worth of work and 10 trips to the big box stores.

If I come up with a design I like I may change my mind. Maybe at some point I could build more of a sofa table that's only 5' wide.

At my last house / theater I always pulled in my pool table chairs first because they had built-in drink holders. My wife and I also bought some of those oversized bean bag chairs and tossed them more toward the front and the sides of the room. You wouldn't believe how many folks gave up a home theater seat just to flop into their own bean bag - they loved it! And when the day is over everything is removed in minutes. I don't have the luxury of a sit-up bar in my current home basement plans, so that is why I will be taking the minimalist approach with this back bar and breaking out the 'ol bean bag seating as the need arises.

Keep up the great work!
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I started knocking out the moulding frames for the lower part of all the columns. I could have just attached these individually to the columns after painting the columns and stapling the fabric...but I thought it would be much easier to have them prebuilt and painted. Then I can just brad nail the entire frame to the column and touch up the holes.

I used this frame jig from Menards. I just glued the corners and let sit for an hour. Then shot a 1 1/4" 18 gauge brad nail through the corners to lock both pieces together.

I have to build eight of these.



Did you make the molding profiles or did you buy them?
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

At my last house / theater I always pulled in my pool table chairs first because they had built-in drink holders. My wife and I also bought some of those oversized bean bag chairs and tossed them more toward the front and the sides of the room. You wouldn't believe how many folks gave up a home theater seat just to flop into their own bean bag - they loved it! And when the day is over everything is removed in minutes. I don't have the luxury of a sit-up bar in my current home basement plans, so that is why I will be taking the minimalist approach with this back bar and breaking out the 'ol bean bag seating as the need arises.

Keep up the great work!

All great ideas. Especially liking the chairs with cup holders.
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Did you make the molding profiles or did you buy them?

I bought those at a local lumber yard.
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I forgot to mention...with moulding with this much detail, it's better if you can cut all the frame pieces from the same board. I've noticed there are slight variances probably due to the sharpness and wood when they ran it through their machines. But you will have better luck on getting tigher matching corners from the same run.

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I finished constructing all the frames for the lower columns. I dry fitted them in all the columns for now. Once the columns and frames are painted, I'll staple the GOM fabric to the column itself, then brad nail the frames to the column.



I'm getting close to installing the fabric on the light tray, but wanted to finalize my plans for trimming it out.

Here's my current game plan. I need to add a little height to the crown to hide the can light enclosures in the tray. I'm not sure I'm sold on this, but I haven't come up with anything better.

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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I finished constructing all the frames for the lower columns. I dry fitted them in all the columns for now. Once the columns and frames are painted, I'll staple the GOM fabric to the column itself, then brad nail the frames to the column.



I'm getting close to installing the fabric on the light tray, but wanted to finalize my plans for trimming it out.

Here's my current game plan. I need to add a little height to the crown to hide the can light enclosures in the tray. I'm not sure I'm sold on this, but I haven't come up with anything better.


Lower the baseboard connected to the crown to be flush with the baseboard laying horizontally on the soffit. I think it would flow better
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Lower the baseboard connected to the crown to be flush with the baseboard laying horizontally on the soffit. I think it would flow better

+1 to what Larry said, but I would use a router and a roundover bit to round the outside corner of the baseboard laying horizontally on the soffit. I would then lower the vertical baseboard to keep a 1/4" reveal with the rounded-over corner of the horizontal baseboard. It would add just a touch of extra detail IMHO.
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