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post #2191 of 3008
What's nice about it is that the cohesive design work Mario put in up front allows all the details - the paint, the trim, the lights, the fabric and carpet all to work together to create texture and pattern that don't distract, but complement the purpose. Amazingly, none of the sub-structures or dual-purpose designs show themselves as compromises or ill-fitting. At first glance, a casual observer might just think, "Oh, that's a nice color of red, and I like the carpet." but after they look they'll see the miles of trim with no visible fasteners and the seamless fabrics, and the way the lighting is even and just the right brightness. They'll never really appreciate the complexity of the construction techniques that were required, but that's the point.

If the performance is half as good as the looks, your family and guests are in for a real treat!
post #2192 of 3008
Wow! Awesome job Mario, as usual. PLEASE tell me that you at least took a little time out to watch at least one movie this weekend!!!

One question - did you go with Seymour's XD material or the newer 4K screen material? I didn't see the info in the first post. I have samples of both that Chris sent me and I am admittedly having a tough time choosing as it seems with the Acoustically Transparent 4K material I would have to bolster the high frequency settings since the weave is more dense than the XD.

I have quite a bit of TechFlex braided sleeving left over if you would like to sleeve (i.e. hide and group together) all of the wires leading into your projector. I even have some leftover heat shrink. PM me your address if you would like me to mail off enough to handle your projector wires if you would like as my very small contribution.
post #2193 of 3008
I still can't believe how much your original renders match the actual pictures. I have completely lost track of which is which.

Fabulous work! One of the best builds I have ever seen.
post #2194 of 3008
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Originally Posted by aaustin View Post

I still can't believe how much your original renders match the actual pictures. I have completely lost track of which is which.

Fabulous work! One of the best builds I have ever seen.

+1

Gorgeous, Mario!
post #2195 of 3008
Mario,

Do you have a link to the door you purchased. I know it was a plain slab you dressed up but was curious if you show the exact product
post #2196 of 3008
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Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Wow! Awesome job Mario, as usual. PLEASE tell me that you at least took a little time out to watch at least one movie this weekend!!!
One question - did you go with Seymour's XD material or the newer 4K screen material? I didn't see the info in the first post. I have samples of both that Chris sent me and I am admittedly having a tough time choosing as it seems with the Acoustically Transparent 4K material I would have to bolster the high frequency settings since the weave is more dense than the XD.
I have quite a bit of TechFlex braided sleeving left over if you would like to sleeve (i.e. hide and group together) all of the wires leading into your projector. I even have some leftover heat shrink. PM me your address if you would like me to mail off enough to handle your projector wires if you would like as my very small contribution.

I bought the 4K material. According to this http://accucalhd.com/documents/accucal_front_projection_screen_report.pdf
"Enlightor 4k - This material was mostly color neutral. It is the finest weave tested in an acoustically transparent screen.. It does have a slight tex-ture from the weave used to pass the audio through the screen. At 8 feet it was slightly visible. This material would be best for 9 foot or greater viewing distance. At ten feet this material looked very good. The material does add a slight sheen to the image. Treble was 2.5 db down at 20 kHz compared to the level at 2 kHz. The black backing added another 1 db loss at 20 kHz. The audio response effect was a relatively smooth loss from 3kHz to 20kHz. This material is only recommended from 8 to 9 feet because of light loss and color errors."

The XD
"Center Stage XD - This material was mostly color neutral. It does have a strong texture from the weave used to pass the audio through the screen. The weave used with this material is unusually irregular making moiré more uncommon with it. At 9 feet it was slightly visible. This material would be best for eleven foot or greater viewing distance. At eleven feet this material looked very good. Treble was 2 db down at 20 kHz com-pared to the level at 2 kHz. The black backing added another 1 db loss at 20 kHz. The audio response effect was a relatively smooth loss from 3kHz to 20kHz. This material is recommended from 11 foot and greater viewing distances."

Doesn't seem like too big of a difference. I guess the black backing with the EN4K and without the black backing on the XD might be a bit more sizable.
post #2197 of 3008
Neophyte question alert. What is the black backing material and what does it do for the screen? I'm assuming that is something you guys add, or is that done by the manufacturer?
post #2198 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

I bought the 4K material. According to this http://accucalhd.com/documents/accucal_front_projection_screen_report.pdf

Doesn't seem like too big of a difference. I guess the black backing with the EN4K and without the black backing on the XD might be a bit more sizable.

I did the low-tech "remove-your-center-channel-speaker-grill-cover-and-hang-each-screen-material-6-inches-in-front-of-the-tweeter" method and to my ears the XD sounded slightly muted whereas the 4K sounded a bit more muted. But I guess it doesn't matter as any acoustically transparent screen will require some re-EQ to deliver flat response.

The XD is definitely a much thicker material with a visibly open weave. The 4K is thin to the point of semi-transparency that if you place it on a page of a book you can still read the text through the material. The weave is significantly more dense and stretches on the 45 degree fabric bias in each direction which is probably where they develop the "holes" in the material.
Edited by TMcG - 8/8/12 at 3:56am
post #2199 of 3008
I'm really interested on your TV movie poster setup! Could you share more info as to how to do it? As you said, I could get a 40" LED TV for the price of roughly the same as a lightbox movie poster!

Thanks in advance!

Awesome build BTW! smile.gif
post #2200 of 3008
Man...

Lost track of what's real and what's rendered!

When I'll travel to the US, can you sell me some tickets to watch a movie on your HT?

Just brilliant!

Congrats (from Portugal cool.gif )
post #2201 of 3008
Amazing work. Totally blown away. Thanks for the photos, looks fantastic!
post #2202 of 3008
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Thanks. The Leds are color changing. I recently found they would go blinking on/off when trying to change them. This has happened a couple times. So I need to isolate the problem. It may be the splitter and /or the one power supply is not enough for both. I've added another power supply for now to see if that solves it.

Mario - I think I'm using similar RGB strips / controllers, and I'm finding that they are amazingly unselective when it comes to receiving commands. Mine will also start flashing various colors (ie. go into a different mode) when I fire up the HT with the universal remote. I think it's the command for turning on the receiver, but that probably doesn't matter which component it is. I've had to just tape off the LED controllers' IR receivers for now. As you've probably already concluded, having them only receive selective IR signals, if you can do that with your system, would be ideal.

Bryan
post #2203 of 3008
I've said it a few times in this thread, and it has been some time since I said it, so I will say it again....

You suck!


Signed,
Mr. Sour Grapes a.k.a. Mr. Jealous Pouty Pants
post #2204 of 3008
Very nice. Mario.
post #2205 of 3008
Thank you so much for giving us the pleasure to follow this fantastic building-blog! Hopefully it is not over yet even if most of the things are in place. I've been following you all the way from the start in 2009, and several ideas has been incorporated in my own HT, whitch started the same year. You have a lot of readers from Norway, and everything from the unbelievably realistic 3-D renderings to the stunning building quality is and has been a privilege to follow for us all!

A. Hunsbedt
post #2206 of 3008
Amazing, kudos! thumbsup.gif
post #2207 of 3008
Mario, that's one for the ages! Awesome work. Thanks for documenting your build
post #2208 of 3008
Mario,

How long ago did you order your carpet? The dealer I talked to this weekend says the Quadrate line from Masland was replaced with Quadrate II about 3 months ago. The patterns are similar, but the colors changed and unfortunately, your particular color (Times Square) and my 2nd choice (Market Square) are not available in the new Quadrate II line. Did your dealer mention anything about availability issues with the original line?

Thanks,
Matt
Edited by Spaceman - 8/8/12 at 2:16pm
post #2209 of 3008
The thing that impresses me the most with this theater is not the way it looks, even though it is probably my favorite now, but how detailed you were with your pictures, your updates, and how you took the time to answer every question. Anytime someone requested a picture of how you did something in your room, you were very quick to post the picture and respond to the question the person asked. The theater is inspirational to say the least, but the fact that you had a build thread on 2 different home theater forums and still took the time to respond to every single question and picture request is phenomenal. When I get ready for my theater 2.0, then I'll definitely give Cinemar some serious consideration for automation. If you can be this accommodating for free, then I can't imagine how good the customer service is if I actually spent money on your product.
post #2210 of 3008
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Originally Posted by JVoth View Post

the fact that you had a build thread on 2 different home theater forums and still took the time to respond to every single question and picture request is phenomenal.

Which other forum?
post #2211 of 3008
Are we totally sure that all these pictures -- even of the construction -- are not totally amazing renders???? biggrin.gif
post #2212 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the wonderful and positive comments everyone. I really appreciate it.

It's been fun documenting the build in hopes that other's will be able to take something away from what I've learned through this process. Unfortunately, there's still some more work that needs to be done. I just picked up a Harmony 700 remote for controlling the room. I wanted something that was programmable, backlit buttons, light-weight, small onscreen display so it's not blaring and rechargable. This one fit the bill. I'll be working on getting everything working together along with the LED Movie Poster concept.

A few final items also is to install the painted baseboard trim to hide my seam in the doorway where the door seals are.
I also need to lock down the DBox platform to the aluminum frame.

My father-in-law was over this morning re-painting all the baseboards. They were knicked up from the carpet guys.

Jeff from Night Sky Murals comes tomorrow to paint the stars on the ceiling...so I'm anxious to see how it all turns out.
post #2213 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopefulFred View Post

What's nice about it is that the cohesive design work Mario put in up front allows all the details - the paint, the trim, the lights, the fabric and carpet all to work together to create texture and pattern that don't distract, but complement the purpose. Amazingly, none of the sub-structures or dual-purpose designs show themselves as compromises or ill-fitting. At first glance, a casual observer might just think, "Oh, that's a nice color of red, and I like the carpet." but after they look they'll see the miles of trim with no visible fasteners and the seamless fabrics, and the way the lighting is even and just the right brightness. They'll never really appreciate the complexity of the construction techniques that were required, but that's the point.
If the performance is half as good as the looks, your family and guests are in for a real treat!

Wow. Thanks for such wonderful comments. I should let you give the tours through the theater as friends and family come over. smile.gif
post #2214 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TMcG View Post

Wow! Awesome job Mario, as usual. PLEASE tell me that you at least took a little time out to watch at least one movie this weekend!!!
One question - did you go with Seymour's XD material or the newer 4K screen material? I didn't see the info in the first post. I have samples of both that Chris sent me and I am admittedly having a tough time choosing as it seems with the Acoustically Transparent 4K material I would have to bolster the high frequency settings since the weave is more dense than the XD.
I have quite a bit of TechFlex braided sleeving left over if you would like to sleeve (i.e. hide and group together) all of the wires leading into your projector. I even have some leftover heat shrink. PM me your address if you would like me to mail off enough to handle your projector wires if you would like as my very small contribution.

I have the Seymour XD material. It really shows my Panasonic AE4000u picture well. So I can't even imagine how much better it will look with a brighter projector. Even sitting in the very front row, you can't see the material.

Thanks for the offer on the sleeve. I'm not quite sure I'll need it yet. But I will definitely PM you once I officially have all the wiring in place. I still have to figure out how I'm going to control things. I think I'm going to use serial control for the projector so there's another cable hanging off. Does anyone know of some slimline db9 connectors? The ones I have are pretty bulky. HOpefully I at least still have a black one left.
post #2215 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaustin View Post

I still can't believe how much your original renders match the actual pictures. I have completely lost track of which is which.
Fabulous work! One of the best builds I have ever seen.

You're too kind.
The funny thing is I've actually caught myself being confused when merging the last few renders as to which parts were real/3d.
post #2216 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cowger View Post

Mario - I think I'm using similar RGB strips / controllers, and I'm finding that they are amazingly unselective when it comes to receiving commands. Mine will also start flashing various colors (ie. go into a different mode) when I fire up the HT with the universal remote. I think it's the command for turning on the receiver, but that probably doesn't matter which component it is. I've had to just tape off the LED controllers' IR receivers for now. As you've probably already concluded, having them only receive selective IR signals, if you can do that with your system, would be ideal.
Bryan

Thanks for the heads up. I don't think my flashing was related to an incoming IR signal though. Since I tried just making it go to any other color and it wouldn't. It was as if it locked up in the blinking state. I haven't seen it yet since I added the 2nd power supply but I will keep everyone posted.
post #2217 of 3008
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I just picked up a Harmony 700 remote for controlling the room.

huh!!! the man that has a fully automated home is going to control the theater with that? with all the cool tricks that you have pulled off in this build i thought for sure it would be controlled with some sorta hopped app on a ipad ..demopad or irule or something like that.. are you just worn out lol!!
post #2218 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunsbedt View Post

Thank you so much for giving us the pleasure to follow this fantastic building-blog! Hopefully it is not over yet even if most of the things are in place. I've been following you all the way from the start in 2009, and several ideas has been incorporated in my own HT, whitch started the same year. You have a lot of readers from Norway, and everything from the unbelievably realistic 3-D renderings to the stunning building quality is and has been a privilege to follow for us all!
A. Hunsbedt

Thanks so much. I'm glad you didn't abandon ship yet. wink.gif

There's still a lot more items to do....so I'll keep posting as long as you keep reading. wink.gif
post #2219 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spaceman View Post

Mario,
How long ago did you order your carpet? The dealer I talked to this weekend says the Quadrate line from Masland was replaced with Quadrate II about 3 months ago. The patterns are similar, but the colors changed and unfortunately, your particular color (Times Square) and my 2nd choice (Market Square) are not available in the new Quadrate II line. Did your dealer mention anything about availability issues with the original line?
Thanks,
Matt

Hey Matt,

It looks like I ordered it on May 23. So just under the 3 month mark.

I'm glad I got my order in when I did if they changed the colors and didn't have anything you liked better. There was never a mention of availablility issues. I think it took about 2 weeks to get it in though.

Hopefully you'll find something that catches your eye either from their line or a different mfg.
post #2220 of 3008
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JVoth View Post

The thing that impresses me the most with this theater is not the way it looks, even though it is probably my favorite now, but how detailed you were with your pictures, your updates, and how you took the time to answer every question. Anytime someone requested a picture of how you did something in your room, you were very quick to post the picture and respond to the question the person asked. The theater is inspirational to say the least, but the fact that you had a build thread on 2 different home theater forums and still took the time to respond to every single question and picture request is phenomenal. When I get ready for my theater 2.0, then I'll definitely give Cinemar some serious consideration for automation. If you can be this accommodating for free, then I can't imagine how good the customer service is if I actually spent money on your product.

I appreciate that. At least I've got something to show the kids when they grow up. Hey kids...look what I did. smile.gif

It's not hard to provide customer service if you like what you do. My phone, email, PM's are always open for any that has questions.
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