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post #2611 of 2752
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I needed an easy way to charge, store and keep safe all the 3D glasses at once.

So I used a rackmount cable management D-ring from Monoprice. I had plenty of space left over in my Patch Panel cabinet in the theater so it worked out great.

I used this 10 port USB hub and a power supply.
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Just an update for others that are considering this 10 port USB hub.

I haven't been able to charge my Harmony and PS3 remote using it. It does work for the 3D glasses though.

I guess I may need something with a little more power?
post #2612 of 2752
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I woke up at 5am to the pleasant sound of our sump pump alarm going off.

Turns out that a piece of hardened spray foam had fallen into the sump tank and lodged it's way underneath the float so it couldn't go all the way to the top and turn on the main sump.

I have the alarm set to go off when the first sump fails...which was a good thing. I immediately mannually tripped the 2nd backup sump - but that wasn't pumping water out either. I had just layed down some black plastic flexible sump hose and layed it on the ground outside extending it past the house...but apparently it was clogged or frozen. Which is odd since that sump never runs.

My plan was to route some PVC underground next year to hide the pipe, but it would be a bigger pain if it's frozen underground rather than above. What's the recommended approach? I need to route it about 30 feet away from the house.

The 2nd sump outlet sits about 2' above the ground. So one theory is just to use a stiff PVC pipe and keep it angled to prevent any sitting water. But this would keep it above ground and kind of an eye sore.

All in all, I was happy to have avoided potentially flooding the theater.
post #2613 of 2752
Yikes! That would NOT be good. My sump pvc line exits the side of the house about 2' above ground, takes an immediate down turn and goes underground. It then connects to a 3" drain tile that runs under our driveway and connects directly to the storm sewer. Meets code for new construction around here. Happily, it hasn't run yet, and was bone dry last time I checked it. My last house had water issues, so when we built, I made sure the contractors did everything possible to avoid any water issues. 3 years, and so far so good (knocking on giant piles of wood right now).
post #2614 of 2752
Always good to know those rarely used alarm systems work. I also have 2 pumps and a sensor in my pit. My main pump goes outside to a buried pipe with a continuous slope but that pipe somehow got crushed underground. I left the underground pipe and now have a flex above ground that I only use in the spring/summer months. In the winter months I remove the flex and unplug the main pump. This allows the 2nd pump to now kick in during the winter (float set higher than main pump) months. My floor drain is right next to my sump pit so I ran a short piece of rigid ABS from my secondary pump directly to the drain for use during the winter. Having both pumps plugged in during the summer allows my secondary pump to kick in if the primary ever fails.
post #2615 of 2752
My sump is covered for Radon but I am going to pick up a couple of those leak alert alarms you listed a while back Mario. That would have helped when my basement flooded during Sandy.

Now every time it rains and I hear the sump under my addition run I'm off to the basement with a flashlight looking for leaks; it has me paranoid now.
post #2616 of 2752
About 3 years after we moved in to our house I woke up to find an inch of water covering our entire basement. Luckily it was unfinished at the time and easy to clean up but after that vowed to never let that happen again so I feel your "fear". On the outside of our house I routed the discharge to a T fitting with a ballcock valve. The end of the T is capped and with the valve open it feeds the bottom of the Tee and that terminates just at ground level in to a 4" PVC pipe that I buried and routes away from the house. I did not hard pipe it all the way for the reasons you mentioned with freezing and back up. SO if something does happen it just bubbles back up and out of the pipe in the ground and runs over the lawn at a slow state. If there is a sever issue I just close the valve and remove the cap and I have an alternative outlet that can just spew out or I can run a piece of black tile off of it in a pinch.

It was a cheap yet effective way to not have any discharge issues! I DID initially bury corrugated drain tile and that froze and clogged and I re-did it with smooth walled PVC.

I just realized my description sucks so I will snap a pic. and share it...

Here it is in all of it's winter ugliness!


Edited by dynfan - 1/19/13 at 9:48am
post #2617 of 2752
Thank goodness for the alarm. I myself dont get alot of water in my sump pits but think I will look into a alarm and battery back up for my sump.

Mario can you post what Alarm your using
post #2618 of 2752
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Originally Posted by dynfan View Post

About 3 years after we moved in to our house I woke up to find an inch of water covering our entire basement. Luckily it was unfinished at the time and easy to clean up but after that vowed to never let that happen again so I feel your "fear". On the outside of our house I routed the discharge to a T fitting with a ballcock valve. The end of the T is capped and with the valve open it feeds the bottom of the Tee and that terminates just at ground level in to a 4" PVC pipe that I buried and routes away from the house. I did not hard pipe it all the way for the reasons you mentioned with freezing and back up. SO if something does happen it just bubbles back up and out of the pipe in the ground and runs over the lawn at a slow state. If there is a sever issue I just close the valve and remove the cap and I have an alternative outlet that can just spew out or I can run a piece of black tile off of it in a pinch.

It was a cheap yet effective way to not have any discharge issues! I DID initially bury corrugated drain tile and that froze and clogged and I re-did it with smooth walled PVC.

I just realized my description sucks so I will snap a pic. and share it...

Here it is in all of it's winter ugliness!


Hey Wes,

Yeah - I've been in similar situations. I think in our sunken part of the theater before we even started on it, we had about 6" of water in there. So I know it will flood and that's why I'm taking so many measures to prevent it again now that the theater is done.

Thanks for the information and especially the photo. I like your idea of not completely closing the connection and having the blow-out option with the T.

How deep did you go with your 4" that's sitting below the ground? Is that a 4" Elbow right at the top of the dirt?

I'll have to do some testing, but I would think if I put a 45 degree elbow right there that the force of the sump pump pushing it out so fast may end up spraying a lot of it back up. But I'm not positive on that one.

I may just come up with a temporary solution for now....just letting the water on the back up sump push out and remove any extra attachments that can freeze. That's better than having the backup sump plugged up.
Then when summer rolls around tackle the 30' of trenching out a 4" pipe.
post #2619 of 2752
This is how I did mine:

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Tim
post #2620 of 2752
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Originally Posted by W00lly View Post

Thank goodness for the alarm. I myself dont get alot of water in my sump pits but think I will look into a alarm and battery back up for my sump.

Mario can you post what Alarm your using

I'd definitely look into at least an inexpensive battery alarm. For the few bucks they could really save you in an extreme case.
Here's the one's I bought and placed around the house:
http://www.smarthome.com/71631/Smarthome-MT400-Water-Leak-Detection-Alarm/p.aspx

Ideally it would be just a bit smaller. I found it just a wee bit big to be completely hidden behind our toilets.

For the sump pit, I'm using these Sump Pump Alarm Bobbers:
http://www.absoluteautomation.com/sump-pump-alarm-high-water-switch/

These are then wired back into my Elk Security panel.

I have one that sits at the level of when the main sump pump is triggered. This one is strictly used as a counter for my own purposes. Since you don't always hear the sump running, I just wanted to calculate how often it does. So the Elk then triggers a Macro in MLserver to add 1 each time it gets triggered. I reset the counter at Midnight each day, and then store the total for that day in another variable. From any touch screen I can see where the counter is at.

I then have another one tied to just above the main sump pump...so as soon as it rises above...meaning the main sump didn't trigger or isn't working, it will sound the alarm. I just added this week for it also to send me an email through MLServer. So if I'm out and about, I can take necessary steps to get back or have someone check it out for me.

There's also one of these Sump Pump Alarm Bobbers in my ejection pit for the sewer. That would be an even worse problem when that pump fails!


These pumps do fail or just the switch fails on them. I think I've gone through two already in 10 years. Better safe than sorry.
post #2621 of 2752
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Originally Posted by Mr.Tim View Post

This is how I did mine:

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Tim

Thanks for posting Tim. Another great example.
post #2622 of 2752
One more example:



Due to the size of our basement, we have two sump pits. Each pit has a primary pump, a backup pump, and an additional battery powered pump in case of power outage.

They all pump out through these discharge lines with IceGuard protection.
post #2623 of 2752
Mario,
I have a 4" 90 right there and get almost zero splash out. In the warm months I have a stainless screen that I install in the 4" pipe and it keeps too much debris from lodging in the pipe, I remove it for the winter months so it doesn't freeze. My setup works well and was inexpensive. My PVC is maybe 6-8" below the surface and increases in depth as it slopes away from the house. Been that way for about 4 years now and no problems. Not the prettiest during the winter but I clean it up in spring and will repaint the PVC to match the house.
post #2624 of 2752
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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

One more example:



Due to the size of our basement, we have two sump pits. Each pit has a primary pump, a backup pump, and an additional battery powered pump in case of power outage.

They all pump out through these discharge lines with IceGuard protection.

Thanks jchasen.

It's to tell, but do those cone shaped PVC's that you have pictured allow the water to flow out of the vents in case it did freeze?
post #2625 of 2752
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Originally Posted by dynfan View Post

Mario,
I have a 4" 90 right there and get almost zero splash out. In the warm months I have a stainless screen that I install in the 4" pipe and it keeps too much debris from lodging in the pipe, I remove it for the winter months so it doesn't freeze. My setup works well and was inexpensive. My PVC is maybe 6-8" below the surface and increases in depth as it slopes away from the house. Been that way for about 4 years now and no problems. Not the prettiest during the winter but I clean it up in spring and will repaint the PVC to match the house.


Thanks Wes.

That's good to know. I'll probably adopt something very similar to yours. I may add a cover that can freely slide up and down the 1 1/2" PVC to cover the 4". That way I can avoid the screen and still have an overflow option.
post #2626 of 2752
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I picked up the Darbee Darblet DVP 5000 a couple weeks ago. I wanted to play around with it a bit before giving some thoughts on it.

I must say, it does a great job of adding sharpness to the projected image on my Panasonic AE8000U that I hadn't seen before. You can see this especially with things like hair, the strands become much more visible and defined.

It also appears to affect the contrast of images. This is especially true with the animated movies out there. They really seem to pop now. The ability to dial it in is also nice.

The only downside I've really seen is that you want to play around with it before each movie to see which settings work the best.

I'm definitely keeping the Darbee Darblet and making it a permanent link in the chain.

Just curious if anyone else around here is using a Darbee Darblet and what their impressions were.

I was going to post some screenshots, but the DarbeeVision website does a much better job and has lots of images that you can see how it affects the images.

I also watched Polar Express in 3D with my daughter. I finally got around to getting my PS3 hooked up into the D-Box too. So we were able to experience 3D plus the motion platform. It really brought us into the movie. The only thing we were missing was smellavision.
Edited by mcascio - 1/21/13 at 12:04pm
post #2627 of 2752
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

One more example:



Due to the size of our basement, we have two sump pits. Each pit has a primary pump, a backup pump, and an additional battery powered pump in case of power outage.

They all pump out through these discharge lines with IceGuard protection.

Thanks jchasen.

It's to tell, but do those cone shaped PVC's that you have pictured allow the water to flow out of the vents in case it did freeze?

Yes, the water can flow out the vents in case the pipes freeze.
It doesn't show well in the picture since the part of the pipe closest to the house foundation is solid (so the water splashing out won't be directed at the house).

It works like this:

post #2628 of 2752
I also had the Darbee on my radar, good to know there's another +1 for it. Here are my 2 cent N.O. water alarm sensors. I have these in various places (under dishwasher, jacuzzi, hanging in sump pit....etc) around the house all hooked up to a single zone on my HAI alarm panel. I find using an aspirin holds up nicely but also dissolves quickly when in the presence of water. The 2 cables are held in place with thumb tacks.

post #2629 of 2752
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I also had the Darbee on my radar, good to know there's another +1 for it. Here are my 2 cent N.O. water alarm sensors. I have these in various places (under dishwasher, jacuzzi, hanging in sump pit....etc) around the house all hooked up to a single zone on my HAI alarm panel. I find using an aspirin holds up nicely but also dissolves quickly when in the presence of water. The 2 cables are held in place with thumb tacks.


Holy CR@P...that is genius!!!!
post #2630 of 2752
MacGyver would be proud!
post #2631 of 2752
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Originally Posted by jchasen View Post

Yes, the water can flow out the vents in case the pipes freeze.
It doesn't show well in the picture since the part of the pipe closest to the house foundation is solid (so the water splashing out won't be directed at the house).

It works like this:


Looks like a nice clean solution as well. I'll have to see if Menard's stocks them.
post #2632 of 2752
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Originally Posted by 235 View Post

I also had the Darbee on my radar, good to know there's another +1 for it. Here are my 2 cent N.O. water alarm sensors. I have these in various places (under dishwasher, jacuzzi, hanging in sump pit....etc) around the house all hooked up to a single zone on my HAI alarm panel. I find using an aspirin holds up nicely but also dissolves quickly when in the presence of water. The 2 cables are held in place with thumb tacks.



That's pretty cool. Put it in some surround white plastic and sell it for $10. wink.gif

You might put another aspirin on the top of the close pin...you'll need that one after the stress of all the water you'll find lingering around. smile.gif
post #2633 of 2752
@ 235: That is awesome. DIY award for the day month.

@ Mario: I've had the Darblet since September. Love it. The only downside (?) is that it has saved an upgrade on the projector for another year. After a while, you won't so much notice its presence -- until you remove it -- and then you'll notice its absence.

After playing with it for a few weeks, I've just left it on Game 50%. I've had to switch it to HiDef mode and drop it to 35% for some DVD material and the Star Wars 4-6 blu-rays (too much contrast in the grain). Initially, I had a cabling issue when inserting the Darblet into my signal chain, but since working that out, I haven't experienced any problems with the unit.
post #2634 of 2752
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@ 235: That is awesome. DIY award for the day month.

@ Mario: I've had the Darblet since September. Love it. The only downside (?) is that it has saved an upgrade on the projector for another year. After a while, you won't so much notice its presence -- until you remove it -- and then you'll notice its absence.

After playing with it for a few weeks, I've just left it on Game 50%. I've had to switch it to HiDef mode and drop it to 35% for some DVD material and the Star Wars 4-6 blu-rays (too much contrast in the grain). Initially, I had a cabling issue when inserting the Darblet into my signal chain, but since working that out, I haven't experienced any problems with the unit.

roknrol,

Good to hear I'm not alone around here on the Darblet front. I haven't really seen too many build threads bringing it up after the fact.

Like you, I think GAME is where I've defaulted it to at as high as 70%. But then if it's too much grain, I'll go down to HiDef mode. I was lucky with getting mine going right out of the gate.
Pop mode at higher levels seems to cast a shadow or halo around figures and objects.

I've switched off after a couple weeks of having it and you're right, you do notice it's absence.
post #2635 of 2752
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I picked up the Darbee Darblet DVP 5000 a couple weeks ago. I wanted to play around with it a bit before giving some thoughts on it.

I must say, it does a great job of adding sharpness to the projected image on my Panasonic AE8000U that I hadn't seen before. You can see this especially with things like hair, the strands become much more visible and defined.

Thanks for posting about this, Mario -- didn't even know about this previously. Just ordered one.

Reading the reviews online, it appears there were a few people who saw problems with HDMI syncing up with this inserted inline. Did you see any such problems? Since I'm running a pretty similar setup to yours (Onkyo NR3008 receiver -> Panny projector), I'm hoping that your experience will map to mine pretty closely.

Bryan
post #2636 of 2752
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Originally Posted by cowger View Post

Thanks for posting about this, Mario -- didn't even know about this previously. Just ordered one.

Reading the reviews online, it appears there were a few people who saw problems with HDMI syncing up with this inserted inline. Did you see any such problems? Since I'm running a pretty similar setup to yours (Onkyo NR3008 receiver -> Panny projector), I'm hoping that your experience will map to mine pretty closely.

Bryan

Hi Bryan,

You bet.
Nope - no problems on my end. I think some people may have had problems when using shorter 6" HDMI cables...but that's probably cable brand dependent too. I think I'm using all 24 AWG monoprice cables. I think the shortest is a foot or so.
post #2637 of 2752
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Hi Bryan,

You bet.
Nope - no problems on my end. I think some people may have had problems when using shorter 6" HDMI cables...but that's probably cable brand dependent too. I think I'm using all 24 AWG monoprice cables. I think the shortest is a foot or so.

Awesome, thank you!!!

p.s. Go Niners... smile.gif
post #2638 of 2752
Hi Mario,

I continue to admire your theater and use it as inspiration for mine. What are your seating distances and do you think your screen size is ok for those distances? Also, what is the distance you mounted your panny from the screen? Is it bright enough for that screen size? Also, what is the distance between your columns(frabic area) on your side wall?

Thanks!
Ron
post #2639 of 2752
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Originally Posted by Ron_C View Post

Hi Mario,

I continue to admire your theater and use it as inspiration for mine. What are your seating distances and do you think your screen size is ok for those distances? Also, what is the distance you mounted your panny from the screen? Is it bright enough for that screen size? Also, what is the distance between your columns(frabic area) on your side wall?

Thanks!
Ron

Hi Ron.

Thanks.
Here are some measurements:
Front Row: 8'6" from Front of Seat to screen
Back Row: 14'7" from Front of Seat to screen
Projector: 16'2" from Lens to Screen
Screen: 136" Wide 2.35
VIEWING DISTANCE TO BOTTOM OF SCREEN FROM CENTER FRONT ROW
* SEAT INCLINED: 10' 5 1/2"
* SEAT DECLINED: 11' 2"

I'll add the above measurements to my first post.

I believe I posted a diagram with the column spacing so I'll have to check through the thread.
post #2640 of 2752
great build, very inspiring work to see and motivation to get this done myself. I have a similar sized room in the basement ready to get built. If you don't mind me asking, other than your labor and HT/AV equipment, approximately how much was spent complete this project.
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