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post #2731 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Do you have a preference on the Onkyo versus Denon debate?

I personally liked the Onkyo sound settings better than the Denon. They do have a bit of a different sound to them.

But the ability to have all 11.2 speakers going with the Denon is nice. The Denon also has the ability to store your Audyssey settings...when the save feature works.

You can really crank the Denon up a bit more given the higher power though too. Not that I need to go that high though.
post #2732 of 3008
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Originally Posted by GPowers View Post

... things like a lot of repeated cuts of the exact same dimension??

Festool has address the repeatable cuts issue with their Parallel guides. They attach to the rail for repetitive cuts of the same dimension



A track saw is a must to break down sheet goods. It is much safer taking the saw to the material vs taking the material to the saw.

I remember looking at the Festool track saw but wasn't aware of the parallel guides. It seemed to get higher ratings than the Dewalt. But if I remember right, the price was pretty steep for someone like myself who didn't have another project coming down the pipeline.
post #2733 of 3008
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Originally Posted by cowger View Post

Nice; I didn't know they had that. Happy to modify my statement to "quickly and easily do a number of repeated cuts..." smile.gif

I think the bottom line, as Mario states and is so often the case with shop tools, is that each has its own strengths and if you have the space and the means, it's nice to have an assortment of tools. For those just starting out and contemplating a project like Mario's (or perhaps slightly less ambitious), a track saw, router table, and Kreg pocket screw kit is a very reasonable and capable set of tools.


Maybe there's a business opportunity here for someone to rent out their power tools to home theater enthusiasts on a month to month basis for a 1/4 of the cost it would take to buy them. smile.gif
post #2734 of 3008
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I remember looking at the Festool track saw but wasn't aware of the parallel guides. It seemed to get higher ratings than the Dewalt. But if I remember right, the price was pretty steep for someone like myself who didn't have another project coming down the pipeline.

The Festool products are expensive but they are part of a system. The guide rails can be used with the MFT, routers Parallel guides etc. Plus you have the dust extraction that works with all the festool products. Unlike the Dewalt and Makita.
post #2735 of 3008
I was curious. I have 3312. My dad just got 3313 and my brother just bought the Onkyo version. I found generally the same as you with the step down models. I've owned a few Onkyos previously that I liked though. It's not a huge difference either way which probably speaks more about them being both good choice.
post #2736 of 3008
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I was a little bummed out the other day. I had bought a Nexus wireless monitor a few months back to connect to my Generac generator. I was all amped up to install it last weekend. Got everything disaseembled and then realized my insides didn't look like the pictures in the manual. It turns out that my Generac model wasn't compatible after all. I bought the Generac in 2010, but it turned out that it was built a few months prior to the newer model that came out in the middle of 2010.

So it looks like I'll just have to keep listening for the weekly startup tests to verify that it is operational. frown.gif
post #2737 of 3008
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I was a little bummed out the other day. I had bought a Nexus wireless monitor a few months back to connect to my Generac generator. I was all amped up to install it last weekend. Got everything disaseembled and then realized my insides didn't look like the pictures in the manual. It turns out that my Generac model wasn't compatible after all. I bought the Generac in 2010, but it turned out that it was built a few months prior to the newer model that came out in the middle of 2010.

So it looks like I'll just have to keep listening for the weekly startup tests to verify that it is operational. frown.gif

Dang, that's indeed a bummer. Since your 2010 model doesn't work with it, certainly my 2004 model will not, either. As I mentioned previously, the only time mine has failed is due to the battery, so as long as that's in good shape, and I replace it every 5 years, I think I'm okay.

I would guess that you are concerned about your sump pumps during a power failure. Have you looked into a water powered sump pump, maybe as a third line of defense? Are you on city water? I suppose if you're on your own well this isn't much of a solution... smile.gif

Bryan
post #2738 of 3008
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Hey Bryan,

Yeah - it looks like they added something in mid 2010 to support the wireless monitors. So you're probably out of luck too.

Unfortunately I'm on a well, so a water powered sump pump won't work for me. Another reason the generator comes in handy since I can't get water without power.
post #2739 of 3008
Hi Mario!
Just got my Electronic House Magazine here in Norway and read the article.
Congratulations to the gold!
You really deserve it smile.gif
Kudos on a great achievement!
post #2740 of 3008
Mario,

How many build hours do you think total you have invested into the project ? From start to finish ?
post #2741 of 3008
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Hi Mario!
Just got my Electronic House Magazine here in Norway and read the article.
Congratulations to the gold!
You really deserve it smile.gif
Kudos on a great achievement!

Thanks MisterMR.

It was an honor to receive the Gold award for that category with so many other great theaters.
post #2742 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Mario,

How many build hours do you think total you have invested into the project ? From start to finish ?

Boy that's a good question. But one I don't know the answer to. I know there were many late nights and some non-stop weekends in there aside from all the time spent working on the 3D models and renderings before and during construction.
post #2743 of 3008
Every time I look at your renderings I get jealous! I wish I could do renderings... mad.gif
post #2744 of 3008
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Every time I look at your renderings I get jealous! I wish I could do renderings... mad.gif

Thanks Mfusick. Being able to do the 3D models/renderings myself was a huge advantage during the entire process. It's another self-taught skill that I really enjoy. Back when I was learning though, the internet didn't contain nearly as much helpful information on the subject or software. I bought lot's of magazines and books to teach myself along the way...I even read the manuals multiple times. smile.gif
post #2745 of 3008
I am considering now-- if I should bother with the learning curve or not. I'm trying to decide on what software to use - and what level I want to achieve. I don't mind investing some time... I guess that is what it is going to take.

Your thread and renderings in particular are very impressive.
post #2746 of 3008
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I am considering now-- if I should bother with the learning curve or not. I'm trying to decide on what software to use - and what level I want to achieve. I don't mind investing some time... I guess that is what it is going to take.

Your thread and renderings in particular are very impressive.

Not sure how much research you did, but Lightwave3D, the software I used, retails for $1,495. So you'll not only have to invest time, but also money.

That may or may not help you decide whether you want to go the same route I went.
post #2747 of 3008
Yes. That is a serious issue. lol.

It's probably easier for me to get it than figure out how to use it... so really it's learning to render like you that is the hard part I think.

I'm jealous of you!

You must use it professionally ?
post #2748 of 3008
Mfusick,

Another option, and a free one at that, is Sketchup. I'm using that now to model my next project and I must say it's a pleasure to use.

Most definitely not in the class with Lightwave, but a fun little program from Google.

Bryan
Edited by cowger - 6/1/13 at 5:58pm
post #2749 of 3008
Just make sure that you watch all the instructional videos before playing with Sketchup. It helps when trying to design things
post #2750 of 3008
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Just make sure that you watch all the instructional videos before playing with Sketchup. It helps when trying to design things

Great advice .. Lol

I tried for two seconds and failed hard. Clearly I'll need to follow your advice.
post #2751 of 3008
I am simply in awe every time I look at this theater. The work is AMAZING! I have a quick question regarding one of your colors. On your walls you used Claret Accent GOM fabric. Did you have a paint color that matched the fabric? I like the color, but was not going to be doing fabric panels at this point.
Thanks again for the inspiration!

Craig
post #2752 of 3008
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I am simply in awe every time I look at this theater. The work is AMAZING! I have a quick question regarding one of your colors. On your walls you used Claret Accent GOM fabric. Did you have a paint color that matched the fabric? I like the color, but was not going to be doing fabric panels at this point.
Thanks again for the inspiration!

Craig

Hi Craig,

Thanks very much. I never had to find a matching paint. I did find some matching spray paint though.

You could bring a sample of the fabric into the paint store and probably have them match it though.
post #2753 of 3008
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Originally Posted by craig72 View Post

I am simply in awe every time I look at this theater. The work is AMAZING! I have a quick question regarding one of your colors. On your walls you used Claret Accent GOM fabric. Did you have a paint color that matched the fabric? I like the color, but was not going to be doing fabric panels at this point.
Thanks again for the inspiration!

Craig

FYI - I believe the closest paint I found was Behr "Antique Ruby" from Home Depot. I had a major issue matching to the Claret Accent GOM during my build. It also looks almost hot pink while wet too, which is even more confusing. And since you are matching paint to fabric, you need to take into account the fact that the panels are mounted on a wall, so the fabric reflects light from an angle (Mounted veritcal vs ceiling lights) - Also made matching it by the eye difficult since I put the fabric sample directly under a light at the store next to the swatch. You can see the results in my build though. It took 2-3 coats depending on the material.

In photos though, the Claret always looks almost blood red, and in reality and in a lit room, it isn't. It has a purple/pink tone to it in direct light. When I got the roll initially, I thought they got my order wrong. If you don't want to match a paint to the fabric directly (Both next to each other) than you might want to consider a more red paint. Just a thought.
post #2754 of 3008
Thanks for the feedback guys. I am not currently trying to match to a fabric, so that should help. I'll take a look at the "Antique Ruby" along with some others. Busy building the riser right now, but would like to have the paint on hand.

And awesome job by both of you on your theaters! I always come away with so many ideas when I look through these threads.

Craig
post #2755 of 3008
Hi Mario,
I have a question about the bullnose that you created on your steps and riser. Your post said that you used 3/4" oak with a round-over and then added shoe molding along the bottom. You mentioned something about the carpet possibly needing to ramp up to meet the 3/4" top piece. Do you recall if you had any issues with the thickness of that when they installed the carpet? Would you make it thinner if you had to do it again?
Thanks for your time. Your build thread has become somewhat of an "instruction manual" that I keep referring to lately wink.gif

Craig
post #2756 of 3008
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Originally Posted by craig72 View Post

Hi Mario,
I have a question about the bullnose that you created on your steps and riser. Your post said that you used 3/4" oak with a round-over and then added shoe molding along the bottom. You mentioned something about the carpet possibly needing to ramp up to meet the 3/4" top piece. Do you recall if you had any issues with the thickness of that when they installed the carpet? Would you make it thinner if you had to do it again?
Thanks for your time. Your build thread has become somewhat of an "instruction manual" that I keep referring to lately wink.gif

Craig

Hi Craig,

I don't think I would do it any differently today. The ramping carpet with a 1/2" thick pad shouldn't be noticeable.

The only other option off the top of my head would be to use a 1/2" thick top board. And then the 1/2" thick by 3/4" shoe molding on the bottom. That would give you a 1" thick tread. A little on the thin side.

Glad this thread has been a reference for you and many others. Who knows, maybe someday I'll be referencing it too. smile.gif
post #2757 of 3008
Great, thanks for the feedback Mario!
Craig
post #2758 of 3008
Mario,

I see you used 1x2 select pine to make your fabric panels..how were you able to fit 1" treatments behind any of your panels since the 'real' thickness of the 1x2s are not even 1"?
post #2759 of 3008
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Hi ScAndal,

The 1" recycled denim that I used for the wall treatments was actually only 3/4" thick. smile.gif
post #2760 of 3008
Hey Mario. I have studied your theater now for a couple months and absolutely love it. I plan on using a lot of design methods from you but have one question. How did you calculate the radius of all the platforms/stairs/cabinetry that is in your room. Once again, I think your design is genius and couldn't have gotten better results!
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