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post #871 of 2773
11/18/11 at 6:32am
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Went back and cleaned up my cuts using the Bosch. What a difference!

Thanks for the info on the sanding sealer and process. I'll be giving it a go soon. The edges do look like they will absorb like a sponge.

BigmouthinDC,
Have you tried the thinned drywall compound method? Just curious if one is better/easier than the other. How 'bout you Bryan? Any experience with both methods?

TheaterChad,
Thanks for chiming in. Moral support is always welcome.


Just thought I'd post some plans for the column in case it benefits anyone down the road.
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post #872 of 2773
11/18/11 at 9:34am
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I thought I'd take a stab at the columns. Was going fairly well except my jig saw couldn't seem to cut a straight line while cutting out the speaker areas. The blade seemed to have a mind of it's own.

For cutting out sections as large as you show in the picture, I would suggest using a circular saw instead of a jig saw. Much easier to get straight lines, and you can plunge it in. Cut close to the corners and finish up the corners with the jigsaw. I seem to remember seeing a video of this on a woodworking site somewhere.
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post #873 of 2773
11/18/11 at 4:56pm
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For cutting out sections as large as you show in the picture, I would suggest using a circular saw instead of a jig saw. Much easier to get straight lines, and you can plunge it in. Cut close to the corners and finish up the corners with the jigsaw. I seem to remember seeing a video of this on a woodworking site somewhere.

I might give that another shot. My confidence with the circular saw just isn't as high as the jig saw.

I finally got the moulding up on the bar. I decided to save some money on labor and attempt to do it myself and put that savings towards some new tools. I bought a Porter Cable brad nailer (combo kit with compressor). First time ever using one. I felt empowered. I figured I could attempt to do the moulding in the theater myself...so the finish nailer will more than pay for itself.





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post #874 of 2773
11/18/11 at 5:22pm
Mario

Do you have any pictures behind the bar as well as construction specs?
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post #875 of 2773
11/18/11 at 6:35pm
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Mario

Do you have any pictures behind the bar as well as construction specs?

Here you go Larry. Pic's to follow shortly.
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post #876 of 2773
11/18/11 at 6:55pm
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Larry,

Here are some more shots of the bar area:










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post #877 of 2773
11/18/11 at 7:00pm
The white frame with display in it, your home automation control panel?
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post #878 of 2773
11/18/11 at 7:16pm
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The white frame with display in it, your home automation control panel?

Yup. After so long I have it go to this page which provides some basic information including Climate for that area, Security status, Voice Mail, Outside Temp and Time/Date.


Also provides a jukebox to visitors:


Driveway sensors trigger a jump to our security camera's page as well and archives a snapshot. Can't imagine living without it!
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post #879 of 2773
11/19/11 at 5:05am
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Larry,

Here are some more shots of the bar area:











Thank You Mario, that is perfect

I got a little sticker shock when I went to the lumber yard and talked to the kitchen sales rep about a bar for my basement (picture below) and she quoted $3K to $10K



The dimensions are 34" (135* angle) 59" far wall (135* angle) 34"


When I asked for the rough quote, it was based on the trapezoid in the back and wrapping forward and around (sort of like a U shape)
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post #880 of 2773
11/19/11 at 7:43am
Ok, I officially had to bump my other thread favorite's I've had here at AVS ( sorry guy's ), with a theater and party room basement like you have here, talk about totally Awesome! This is exactly why I'm currently designing my new house to build in the next few years, or to buy one with a similar layout for all the games, and bar, and anything else for a fun room.

If I could ask, where did you get your bar stools? I'm looking for those exact same ones or very close to those for my bar build, many thanks!
Awesome thread!
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post #881 of 2773
11/19/11 at 7:59am
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Hi Larry,

You might want to see if they can dial in the price range a bit. That's pretty broad. Cabinets are not cheap and if you need moulding to match the specific color like I did, that gets expensive too. Anything with curves, arches or angles seems to add to the cost.

Thanks TheaterChad.
I did spend quite a bit of time planning around all the gaming tables. Especially the shuffle board. It pays though to plan it ahead of time rather than jamming everything in. I was able to move walls to fit everything in and still have space to gather and walk.

I bought the stools online:
http://www.barstools.com/bar-height-...elbarstool.cfm

Buy one initially. Then they send you a coupon code for your next order.
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post #882 of 2773
11/19/11 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

How 'bout you Bryan? Any experience with both methods?

Mario, I haven't tried sanding sealer, so that may work fine, but I vastly prefer the drywall compound over something like shellac (which, like the sanding sealer, also takes several coats).

I'm not sure how you're planning to manufacture those columns, but I think the best way would really be to miter the corners, so that you end up with the outside surface extending all the way to the corner on all both surfaces. That, however, would require a table saw, and probably a high-quality one at that (ripping something that long at 45 degrees for a perfect fit isn't trivial). If you have a buddy with a workshop, that would probably be best, *but* I'm also confident that you can get good results with the drywall compound, provided that your basic cuts are clean and straight.

Good luck! Wish we were closer so I could lend a hand on the woodworking...

Bryan
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post #883 of 2773
11/19/11 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Hi Larry,

You might want to see if they can dial in the price range a bit. That's pretty broad. Cabinets are not cheap and if you need moulding to match the specific color like I did, that gets expensive too. Anything with curves, arches or angles seems to add to the cost.

Thanks TheaterChad.
I did spend quite a bit of time planning around all the gaming tables. Especially the shuffle board. It pays though to plan it ahead of time rather than jamming everything in. I was able to move walls to fit everything in and still have space to gather and walk.

I bought the stools online:
http://www.barstools.com/bar-height-...elbarstool.cfm

Buy one initially. Then they send you a coupon code for your next order.

Excellent, Thanks for the link, that's much more affordable than what I found anywhere near me, thanks a million!!
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post #884 of 2773
11/19/11 at 11:49am
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Excellent, Thanks for the link, that's much more affordable than what I found anywhere near me, thanks a million!!

I have some that are very similar to these too, purchased from Target on line. Really cheap price, decent quality for the price.
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post #885 of 2773
11/19/11 at 1:10pm
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I have some that are very similar to these too, purchased from Target on line. Really cheap price, decent quality for the price.

Thanks, that's another factor to think about, cost and quality, thanks for the info
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post #886 of 2773
11/19/11 at 1:59pm
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Hi Larry,

You might want to see if they can dial in the price range a bit. That's pretty broad. Cabinets are not cheap and if you need moulding to match the specific color like I did, that gets expensive too. Anything with curves, arches or angles seems to add to the cost.

Thanks TheaterChad.
I did spend quite a bit of time planning around all the gaming tables. Especially the shuffle board. It pays though to plan it ahead of time rather than jamming everything in. I was able to move walls to fit everything in and still have space to gather and walk.

I bought the stools online:
http://www.barstools.com/bar-height-...elbarstool.cfm

Buy one initially. Then they send you a coupon code for your next order.

Yeah she was just ballparking. I asked them to come up with some designs but they wanted $250 up front and I wasn't ready to do that yet.

I was there purchasing under cabinet molding for my kithcen and it cost me $200 for 32 ft at contractor prices

The under cabinet molding turned out great by the way, took me a few hours but I like perfect cuts
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post #887 of 2773
11/19/11 at 6:35pm
Looking good!
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post #888 of 2773
11/19/11 at 8:08pm
I must say, I love your Cinemar interface. Is that custom for you or is it included or an available for purchase skin with MainLobby?
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post #889 of 2773
11/20/11 at 9:55pm
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Originally Posted by cowger View Post

Mario, I haven't tried sanding sealer, so that may work fine, but I vastly prefer the drywall compound over something like shellac (which, like the sanding sealer, also takes several coats).

I'm not sure how you're planning to manufacture those columns, but I think the best way would really be to miter the corners, so that you end up with the outside surface extending all the way to the corner on all both surfaces. That, however, would require a table saw, and probably a high-quality one at that (ripping something that long at 45 degrees for a perfect fit isn't trivial). If you have a buddy with a workshop, that would probably be best, *but* I'm also confident that you can get good results with the drywall compound, provided that your basic cuts are clean and straight.

Good luck! Wish we were closer so I could lend a hand on the woodworking...

Bryan

Thanks for the feedback. I didn't cut the corners at 45's. May be beyond my personal scope. But I'm still developing my prototype column. I'll check with my father-in-law and see what he thinks about the drywall compound vs. sanding sealer. Yeah - would be great to have someone with some knowledge like yourself on-site!

Larry,
When I was doing my bar, I didn't really get much input from all the places I stopped by. I couldn't really find anyone locally to do it either. So I pretty much ended up doing all the design ideas myself and then ordering the cabinetry from Home Depot. The cabinet doors worked great as paneling for the front of the bar.
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post #890 of 2773
11/20/11 at 10:01pm
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I must say, I love your Cinemar interface. Is that custom for you or is it included or an available for purchase skin with MainLobby?

Thanks JTR7. The last two screenshots I posted are included with the current MainLobby 3. I may have posted some screens from Version 4 in the past that haven't been released yet. But will be shortly. Those will be included with MainLobby 4 and won't require the purchase of a separate GuiGraphix Library.
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post #891 of 2773
11/20/11 at 10:04pm
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I tackled more of the columns today. Gave the Kreg jig a try as well. I wasn't really sure how many places I should screw the sides to the front. I think I ended up using about 7 or 8 per side. Applied and finish nailed some of the larger speaker mouldings and pre-cut the moulding for the bottom of the front column. I'll need to order some black GOM fabric before I can permanently mount the remaining mouldings. You'll notice a white inside frame. That's MDF that I used to attach the mouldings to and provide some additional support. I may also need to paint some of the mouldings before I completely finish nail them to the column since it's be adjoining the GOM fabric.







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post #892 of 2773
11/21/11 at 1:56am
That's a clever way of creating the relief on the columns, those will look great when they are done. Nice job.
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post #893 of 2773
11/21/11 at 5:18am
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Larry,
When I was doing my bar, I didn't really get much input from all the places I stopped by. I couldn't really find anyone locally to do it either. So I pretty much ended up doing all the design ideas myself and then ordering the cabinetry from Home Depot. The cabinet doors worked great as paneling for the front of the bar.

Home Depot you say This isn't their stock cabinet line is it?

My main issue with the bar is the location with the trapezoid opening, I have googled for hours looking for a similiar setup and nothing

Perhaps I'll stop by Home Depot and see if they have any ideas
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post #894 of 2773
11/21/11 at 7:49am
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That's a clever way of creating the relief on the columns, those will look great when they are done. Nice job.

Thanks Mike. It does add more depth to the columns and a bit more dimension.
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post #895 of 2773
11/21/11 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by Larry M View Post

Home Depot you say This isn't their stock cabinet line is it?

My main issue with the bar is the location with the trapezoid opening, I have googled for hours looking for a similiar setup and nothing

Perhaps I'll stop by Home Depot and see if they have any ideas

Hey Larry. They are Kraftmaid cabinets. Special order. A lot of the other "more expensive" places we went to were also carrying Kraftmaid and I had heard good things about them. Plus I didn't want to spend a ton on bar cabinetry.

I haven't seen your bar plan, but if you are trying to fit cabinetry into that angled area, why not use standard cabinets with 45's on each end and then cut the counter to fit the shape. Then use fillers as needed.
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post #896 of 2773
11/21/11 at 8:18am
Wow, your project is really looking great. The bar turned out classy and I love the shuffle board. I really wanted to add one to our basement but just couldn't figure out a good place for it. Looking forward to future updates.
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post #897 of 2773
11/21/11 at 2:50pm
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That's a clever way of creating the relief on the columns, those will look great when they are done. Nice job.

I agree. I was wondering how you were going to take the columns from the renders and turn them into reality. Mystery solved!

My vote for the MDF edge concealment is to use sealant, generous amounts of wood filler, then palm sander. I've used that method and also the drywall compound. The latter is quicker initially, but may (in my case -- did) develop cracks down the line.
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post #898 of 2773
11/21/11 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

I bought the stools online:
http://www.barstools.com/bar-height-...elbarstool.cfm

Buy one initially. Then they send you a coupon code for your next order.

That's a brilliant idea! I just wish I had thought of it before I bought my bar stools.
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post #899 of 2773
11/21/11 at 8:15pm
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Originally Posted by mcascio View Post

Hey Larry. They are Kraftmaid cabinets. Special order. A lot of the other "more expensive" places we went to were also carrying Kraftmaid and I had heard good things about them. Plus I didn't want to spend a ton on bar cabinetry.

I haven't seen your bar plan, but if you are trying to fit cabinetry into that angled area, why not use standard cabinets with 45's on each end and then cut the counter to fit the shape. Then use fillers as needed.

Thats basically what I was thinking but hoping a cabinet designer or someone can show me an example so I can get a more clear idea. I laid masking tape down to get an idea
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post #900 of 2773
11/22/11 at 5:14am
How are you attaching the fabric in the columns?

Any more details on the trim you used? Interested in the back profile
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