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How bright is "twice as bright"?

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I'm wondering how much of a gain difference we need to see in order to perceive a significant subjective difference. I recall in audio, they always claimed that the minimum difference you could perceive was 2 db and a subjective doubling of the volume was 10 db. I have no idea how such a number could be discovered other than through polling/experiments with large numbers of subjective responses.

Does anyone know if anyone has tried to determine what the human eye thinks is "twice as bright" or "half as bright"?

This issue seems relevant to several decisions we need to make. If we had an idea of the practical effect of our numbers we might be able to make these decisions a little more independently and compare some apples to some apples so we aren't always just asking for advice and shooting in the dark.

1. How bright do I need my projector to be?

2. How much gain do I need in my screen?

3. How large can I make my screen?

4. When do I need to switch from low lamp to high?

5. How far can I move off axis on a particular screen?

6. Which calibration settings should I use given their lumen output?

7. When do I need to replace the bulb?

8. How much impact will I see when I do any of the items above?

My personal reason for trying to figure this out is that I just set up a new projector and went through the real world calculations of the ft.L I am seeing, and determined that I will, over time, be watching between 14 ft.L and 20 ft.L. 20 is plenty, and I love it, but it is eventually going to drop to 14. I know what the "standards" are for commercial theater, and 20 ft.L is above the 16 maximum and 14 is right above the 12 ft.L target/average.

So will I be able to see the difference between 20 and 14? And will I think it is a big deal. I know it sounds subjective, but the point of this question is to see if there has been any more objective determination of how people react to brightness differences. Thanks.
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So will I be able to see the difference between 20 and 14? And will I think it is a big deal. I know it sounds subjective, but the point of this question is to see if there has been any more objective determination of how people react to brightness differences. Thanks.


That's a very interesting subject. I'm fairly certain that twice as much light output will not be percieved subjectively as twice as bright, if nothing else then because the iris in your eye closes down when the image gets brighter. I would think that this effect will change according to screen size, the bigger the screen the more your iris will be affected by screen brightness relative to room brightness. But in any case, there will be some amount of adaptation going on, so that the subjective difference will be smaller than the actual measured difference.

In practical terms, I would say that a drop from 20 to 14 fL over time, is something that you're not very likely to percieve in reality. As a switch-over, you will definately see the difference, and if you frop from 20 to 14 fL, and then change lamp and go back to 20, you would definately notice it. Side by side it would be very obvious. But I do believe that if you're already on the low side, a 30% drop in light output will be more obvious. I have no scientific data to back this up however, this is just a gut feeling, but to most people the difference between 14 and 20 fL will, on a large screen, be mostly how open your iris is. However, say you drop from 10 to 7 fL, that won't change your iris much as none of them are bright enough to "blind" you enough to really kick in the iris, so the difference will be more noticable. Once again, this is pure speculation to spark the debate, NOT presented as proven fact - this is my theory of this, and I'm very interested in hearing other people's input on this.

However, related to this, dB is a logarithmic scale that is not an absolute number, but only tells you the relation between two numbers. 90 dB in audio is 90 dB more than a specific amount of energy, defined as the threshold of human hearing. a dB scale for light output is probably not needed, but it might be interesting to look at contrast ratio's using a logarithmic scale, as in my opinion our perception of contrast is logarithmic, not linear. That would make 1000:1 30 dB, 10.000:1 40 dB, 100.000:1 50 dB etc. I would say that those numbers more closely represent the difference we percieve for each increase. For instance, the difference between (actual) 10.000:1 on/off and 100.000:1 on/off, isn't really that great, but the number suggests that it's a 10-fold increase. Saying that you go from 40 dB to 50 dB would be a more intuitive number to represent the percieved difference, I would say. But, once again, just throwing a ball up in the air here.

EDIT: Oh, and sorry if i'm clogging up the discussion by throwing in some subjective impressions, I'm just as eager as you to hear if there are any objective studies on this.
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