Burn in on Kuro Elite Pro 111FD

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Yours is the third report I've seen lately. How many hours did you leave it on Fox, would you say?

Originally Posted by dlplover

Use save 2 and orbiter mode 2 from now on (once you get rid of the IR) and try to watch a lot of full-screen (as in full 16:9) content with no static bars until you clean it off. Leaving planet earth on loop or breakin slides while you're not watching it could be helpful.

Originally Posted by Ozymandis

Ya, that's what you get for watching Fox

Originally Posted by dlplover

for clarification, turn those both off when you're watching full-screen content with no top/bottom/side bars and no static logos/graphics anywhere. Orbiter is designed to shift the pixels, but it might actually hinder evening out the burn-in if you keep it on for slides/full-screen content. When watching stuff with black bars anywhere or glyphs etc... make sure you have orbiter on though.

Save 2 is energy mode. There should be Standard, Save 1, and Save 2. Save 2 is the dimmest while standard is the brightest. When running slides or full 16:9 content you'll want it in Standard mode with orbiter off to try and ease out the image retention on your set. When watching any other content (ie, black bars on sides or top/bottom or with static graphics/logos or video games), you're best to set it to orbiter 2 in save 2 mode to limit any further retention/burn-in on the set.

If it's really burn-in you probably won't be able to get rid of it, but if it's just IR, you should be able to even it out given care and time. As I said, try to run either break-in slides or full-screen content (Planet Earth for instance is full 16:9 with no logos so a good candidate - typical movies with bars are not) on repeat in Standard/orbiter off for the best chance at clearing it out.

For the break-in slides, I would recommend going with webapalooza's 120-version and set it to 7-second intervals. Alternatively, if you can set it up with a computer as a second monitor, Windows 7 lets you set a slideshow as the background, which can let you easily cycle wallpapers , ideally 10 seconds for that way.

Originally Posted by dlplover

Yeah, people go nuts when I say you should enable as many anti-burn protections as possible and be a little mindful of how your set is communicating with you. I look at a TV like a car or any other instrument that takes maintenance. If you're conscious it's a potential problem it probably won't become one because you'll mentally take action to avoid it till it becomes habit and you don't have to think about it. People jump on me when I try to say that though. I had a CRT monitor and tube tv back in the old days and got BI on neither. Back then people were mindful of what they were doing with them - it was pretty natural to just adjust your viewing, not leave the monitor or TV on for long periods on a static screen or when you were going to be away from it for a while. I remember the only people/places who got BI were in labs/classrooms or people who were just plain stupid. LCD's gotten us stupid again, since we foolishly assume they can't get IR/BI (which is false mind you... just a marketting gimmick, like the "dynamic contrast" bull that tells you a 5:1 contrast monitor/TV really means 5,000,000:1).

Back to his question though, it is Image Retention (IR or TIR t= temporary) if it goes away after a period of time. It is Burn-in (BI or permanent image retention) if it does not go away. The only way you'll be able to tell the difference is to see if you can get rid of it. Typically on modern Pioneer/Panasonics IR is temporary, rather than permanent so there is some hope. There've also been accounts of people who developed IR after abusing their sets and managing to get rid of it after a while.

I had IR on my IPS LCD monitor once (also seen it on some lab LCD's in college) - took 2 to 2.5 weeks to get rid of it. There's a section that still has a little fuzz left in the grayscale. That might be burn-in, but I also haven't really tried to get rid of it since it doesn't annoy me enough. With either plasma or LCD, brightness plays a big role in image retention/burn-in. I always tone down the brightness, both for that and to reduce eye-strain.

When you're breaking in a set on the other hand (or trying to get rid of IR) you want your set to be on full-brightness, with anti-burnin/energy saving tech all disabled. For actual watching it's best to use Save 2 and Orbiter 2. Some will jump on me for the fact that you sacrifice PQ a little in Save 2, but honestly Pioneer sets are so good already it doesn't bother me a huge amount (and I'm interested in keeping the set for a while and so am willing to sacrifice a little in the way of PQ to maximize overall longevity of the set).

@arthurking - any LCD or plasma can develop burn-in/IR (TIR is most likely in both cases) with abuse. Admittedly, I abused my monitor pretty badly (although it also has cranked up brightness to increase contrast ratio) - leaving on a static wallpaper and icons etc... for long periods even while not using it ("Hey, LCD can't get IR/BI"). Now I have Windows 7 change the wallpaper in slideshow every 10 seconds and it's all but eliminated. I also try to avoid keeping any icons on the actual desktop to avoid "after-image" from prolonged time being displayed. That's on an LCD mind you. If your display - plasma or LCD is bright enough and has high enough contrast, you can very easily get IR or BI.

The people who claim otherwise are just used to LCD's with no contrast and or brightness. The only tech fully immune is DLP, but for a variety of reasons (mostly low-reliability on all their mechanical parts and constant need for bulb replacements) it's a suboptimal solution anyway. IR and BI have been around for a long time (pretty much since there were tv's), some sets are more or less prone, but there's always a chance. It's best to just be careful and enable any features available. One sneaky thing about LCD's also is they frequently tout that they are immune to IR/BI making them better than plasma or CRT etc... but then they also have disclaimers in their warranties telling you that it's not covered if you get permanent image retention (although they don't have consistent terms for it on LCD's so often the terminogy is something intentionally obscure).

Originally Posted by esp2684

You read his post wrong. He's saying your best bet is to ENABLE all IR-prevention features (i.e. Energy Save Mode 2, Orbiter Mode 1). Of course, avoid side-masks and black bars at all costs until your IR has disappeared.

Originally Posted by apark5

MSNBC is one option....just kidding...

On a serious note, try Jscreenfix at http://www.jscreenfix.com/ connect your PC or MAC via HDMI and then run jscreenfix in full screen for good 30 minutes to an hour, if it can't eliminate burn-in or IR, it should at least reduce it to some acceptable level and you can run it again.