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post #91 of 248
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post


You guys never fail to amuse me. It was predictable that you'd turn this thread titled kuro burn-in to a Samsung and LG burn-in, and kuro and Panny are superior. Hope that makes you feel better about the taboo issue, burn-in on a kuro

Well, after reading through this forum and talking to people in the business it appears Samsung is the most susceptible to IR out of the 3 with the Panasonic next and the Pioneer last. With that said, I wouldn't worry about it when it came to purchasing any of them though.
post #92 of 248
In this case, it is also self-inflicted.
If you deactivate the Orbiter mode (Pixel Shift), one should not wonder about IR.
Even for users who don't want to deal with the settings or the manual, my KRP-500A has a option called "Screen Protection" which automatically activates Orbiter Mode 1, Energie Save Mode 1 and Full Size for the screen.
With this IR protections, it requires great effort to get IR with a 9G Kuro.
post #93 of 248
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Originally Posted by discopaul View Post


You guys never fail to amuse me. It was predictable that you'd turn this thread titled kuro burn-in to a Samsung and LG burn-in, and kuro and Panny are superior. Hope that makes you feel better about the taboo issue, burn-in on a kuro

It is what it is my friend. Perhaps there is a wee-bit of truth to the expression: "you get what you pay for."

I believe the consensus opinion here is no other PDP manufacturer has been able to produce a display that can match an 8G/9G Pioneer in terms of color accuracy, video processing or resistance to IR.

With that said it is obvious by the title of this thread that BI can occur with any abused PDP.

Why people don't just read & follow the instructions in their owner's manual is beyond me.
post #94 of 248
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Originally Posted by M5ster View Post

In this case, it is also self-inflicted.
If you deactivate the Orbiter mode (Pixel Shift), one should not wonder about IR.
Even for users who don't want to deal with the settings or the manual, my KRP-500A has a option called "Screen Protection" which automatically activates Orbiter Mode 1, Energie Save Mode 1 and Full Size for the screen.
With this IR protections, it requires great effort to get IR with a 9G Kuro.

Could somebody explain how orbiters are a "protection"? Assume that a station logo is a solid, 50 by 50 pixels, square.
post #95 of 248
PRO-110/150FD Operating Instructions page 70:

"Orbiter
This function automatically shifts the image little by little to
reduce the occurrence of the burning."
post #96 of 248
A 1 or 2 pixel shift in all directions is going to do nearly nothing to a stationary image several pixels wide. The vast majority of the pixels within the borders of the image are going to remain stationary. At best, you'll have softened the edges of your IR.
post #97 of 248
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Originally Posted by tbird8450 View Post

A 1 or 2 pixel shift in all directions is going to do nearly nothing to a stationary image several pixels wide. The vast majority of the pixels within the borders of the image are going to remain stationary. At best, you'll have softened the edges of your IR.

That's is exactly what I have been saying all along. Pixel orbiting is a useless gimmick to give the owners a false sense of security.

If we know it so does Samsung, for example. Their engineers are smart to know that orbiting is bs. Somebody in their organizations made them do it. The question is: Why does Samsung have pixel shifting in their plasmas but not in their LCDs? Same for Panasonic.
post #98 of 248
In no small part for the same reasons why they advertise 600Hz on their plasmas: marketing.

Plasma earned a reputation for IR and burn-in, and rightly so, as earlier models were brutal in that area. Many modern plasmas have significantly reduced the issue, but the stigma remains.

What better way to regain some sales than by adding in "features" advertised as remedies for something that has kept thousands of buyers from purchasing plasmas in the past? Simply making large strides naturally isn't enough to turn the heads of those laboring under the idea that the problem is just as bad as it ever was.

And technically, the manufacturers aren't lying. Orbiting can certainly reduce IR and burn-in, it's just that its benefits are extremely limited.
post #99 of 248
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Originally Posted by tbird8450 View Post

There's a happy medium between claiming that any plasma is immune to IR/burn-in (clearly wrong) and refusing to game on one because the thought frightens you (clearly silly).

I frequently game using ISF Day (51ftL) and doing so has resulted in absolutely zero image retention. The only time any degree of IR is visible is on a black screen. When the pixels drop into their "off" state, there will sometimes be a subtle ghosting of whatever had just been on the screen. As soon as an image pops back onto the screen, it goes away completely, never to be seen again.

My LCD upstairs actually gets IR often - though it goes away quite quickly. I've had a 9G Pioneer of some stripe for nearly a year now, with zero image retention issues.

For the OP, try rotating full screen color slides with the contrast bumped up. Just be sure to check in periodically to make certain that the display isn't frozen on one color.

I can leave my PS3 on my LCD all day and come back and they won't any signs of IR.

I used my Kuro for a Power Point presenation and had IR like mad. I will never do that I again.
post #100 of 248
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It depends what brand you have of plasma also. Pioneer and i hear panasonic are very good at resisting IR.

Don't believe it.
post #101 of 248
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

I can leave my PS3 on my LCD all day and come back and they won't any signs of IR.

I used my Kuro for a Power Point presenation and had IR like mad. I will never do that I again.

Did you read the owner's manual before doing this. Pioneer's operating instructions warn against leaving static images on their PDP displays for an extended period of time.

BTW, how does your LCD handle fast action sports programming compared to the PDP?

How do the black levels compare?
post #102 of 248
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Originally Posted by tbird8450 View Post

A 1 or 2 pixel shift in all directions is going to do nearly nothing to a stationary image several pixels wide. The vast majority of the pixels within the borders of the image are going to remain stationary. At best, you'll have softened the edges of your IR.

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Originally Posted by ramazur View Post

That's is exactly what I have been saying all along. Pixel orbiting is a useless gimmick to give the owners a false sense of security.

If we know it so does Samsung, for example. Their engineers are smart to know that orbiting is bs. Somebody in their organizations made them do it. The question is: Why does Samsung have pixel shifting in their plasmas but not in their LCDs? Same for Panasonic.

No, it is not exactly how pixel orbit works, at least for Pioneer. It is not like pixels are vibrating in all directions for 1 or 2 pixel (that was what I thought at the beginning). In Pioneer's implementation, the whole image shifts one pixel about every 1 second or 2. Then the image shifting keeps circling in the range of dozens of pixels. In dot-to-dot mode, you can see there is a small finger wide black at the edge of the screen when the image shifts to the other side at max range. I would say the shifting range is quite big comparing to couples of pixels, but it is not, or cannot be, big enough for black bar, solid color logos, etc. as tbird8450 pointed out below.
post #103 of 248
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

I can leave my PS3 on my LCD all day and come back and they won't any signs of IR.

I used my Kuro for a Power Point presenation and had IR like mad. I will never do that I again.

Leaving your PS3 on all day is a good way of having it prematurely fail also as they have been susceptible to heat issues when running for long periods of time. Do you realize that it can be set to automatically shut off after a short period of time of non use? It also saves energy by doing that rather than wasting it.

Why did you choose to use your plasma as a computer monitor ( a technology that you have constantly warned others about forever in this forum) rather than your LCD ( a technology that was first designed as a computer monitor)?
post #104 of 248
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

Pioneer's operating instructions warn against leaving static images on their PDP displays for an extended period of time.

Here is list of "static" images one should be concerned about according to Pioneer:

1. Any movie with black bars.
2. Any channel with a logo.
3. Any channel with a news ticker.

I don't want a TV set like this. Even for free.
post #105 of 248
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Originally Posted by ramazur View Post

I don't want a TV set like this. Even for free.

You just lost all credibility you didn't have to begin with. No one is going to turn down a $2k TV for free with no strings attached. I think you need to go smash up some LCD screens into a fine powder and take a liquid crystal bath so you can rejuvinate your fanboyism. If you want to make a ******** screen tech war, how about you do it in a thread where someone isn't trying to look for help.

Back on topic, here's a link for webapalooza's break-in DVD. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=7...896ad1de22d5dd

It's good because it has a quick turnover between images. Give it a try and see if it helps. I'll try to make a grayscale version if I get a chance, but I've been pretty busy today. Keep us posted on your set.
post #106 of 248
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Originally Posted by akadennis View Post

what have i started here? i hope i can get rid of this damn fox logo that i notice more and more now. i have not received pe dvd yet so i am just running the screen saving video pattern

You haven't started anything. There's a few LCD fanboys who troll the plasma forums spreading misinformation about plasma and trying to get people to buy LCD's. They hijack any thread they can. Unfortunately, it seems they took someone looking for help as an opportunity to start a flat panel war.

Have you noticed any change since you last posted?
post #107 of 248
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

You just lost all credibility you didn't have to begin with. No one is going to turn down a $2k TV for free with no strings attached. I think you need to go smash up some LCD screens into a fine powder and take a liquid crystal bath so you can rejuvinate your fanboyism. If you want to make a ******** screen tech war, how about you do it in a thread where someone isn't trying to look for help.

Back on topic, here's a link for webapalooza's break-in DVD. http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=7...896ad1de22d5dd

It's good because it has a quick turnover between images. Give it a try and see if it helps. I'll try to make a grayscale version if I get a chance, but I've been pretty busy today. Keep us posted on your set.

maybe you should stop the personal attacks and bad language.
post #108 of 248
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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

I can leave my PS3 on my LCD all day and come back and they won't any signs of IR.

Why would you leave a static image on the screen all day, especially if you weren't even there? Grasp at straws much? Yeah, if I left my car running all day with no one in it, it'd run out of gas having not gone anywhere. What crappy mileage!

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I used my Kuro for a Power Point presenation and had IR like mad. I will never do that I again.

Unless you did that when it was brand new, I don't believe you. I frequently hook my Dell laptop into the Kuro and browse the web. I've left desktop windows stationary for hours at a time. No IR, ever.

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No, it is not exactly how pixel orbit works, at least for Pioneer. It is not like pixels are vibrating in all directions for 1 or 2 pixel (that was what I thought at the beginning). In Pioneer's implementation, the whole image shifts one pixel about every 1 second or 2. Then the image shifting keeps circling in the range of dozens of pixels. In dot-to-dot mode, you can see there is a small finger wide black at the edge of the screen when the image shifts to the other side at max range. I would say the shifting range is quite big.

It's not that big, and certainly not enough to do much of anything against black bars, large, solid-colored logos, etc.

But as I've said, I worry about none of that. I watch what I what, when I want, how I want, and I've never had even a slight IR issue. If you want to get worked up over such possibilities, so be it. I'll continue to enjoy my display happily.
post #109 of 248
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Originally Posted by fullhorn View Post

maybe you should stop the personal attacks and bad language.

Maybe he and you should stop trying to threadjack so that the OP can easily find whatever information he finds helpful, instead of wading through pages of nonsense LCD fanboyism. And no, that's not a personal attack. If you sit around on plasma forums, when you yourself have an LCD, take every chance to start a war of technologies, then it classifies you as a fanboy.
post #110 of 248
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

Maybe he and you should stop trying to threadjack so that the OP can easily find whatever information he finds helpful, instead of wading through pages of nonsense LCD fanboyism. And no, that's not a personal attack. If you sit around on plasma forums, when you yourself have an LCD, take every chance to start a war of technologies, then it classifies you as a fanboy.

No, I don't cruise around plasma threads to promote LCDs. That would in fact make me a "fanboy". What I don't like is when anyone promotes and disseminates misinformation. So, consider my visit here as a civic duty or community service on my part and appreciate that someone is watching your back as you could be a victim, too. Now you can say, thank you.
post #111 of 248
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Originally Posted by dlplover View Post

Maybe he and you should stop trying to threadjack so that the OP can easily find whatever information he finds helpful, instead of wading through pages of nonsense LCD fanboyism. And no, that's not a personal attack. If you sit around on plasma forums, when you yourself have an LCD, take every chance to start a war of technologies, then it classifies you as a fanboy.

I am not sure how much help you have given the OP. It looks like he has ordered the $60 Planet Earth series on your recomendation to try and get rid of his IR.

How about some good old snow on an analog signal for free?

Or how about asking what settings he had on his set for the last two years?

Or how about asking what percent of the time he was on Fox for these two years?

If it was 50 percent with "normal" type settings then if he gets rid of the IR and goes back to his normal viewing habits, It will return again in two years or less or who knows if you dont ask.

So if he is on Fox 50 percent of the time he wont see any IR for that half.

If he can only notice it on certain bright scenes then he will only see it say
25 percent of the time. This was my what you call stupid advise.

Or he can loop his new planet earth DVD's for 15 hours a day so the percent of Fox is down to 14 percent and the logo stays off, or who knows if you dont ask.

Try and relax If the OP uses the search button then this would have never happened
post #112 of 248
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Originally Posted by ramazur View Post

No, I don't cruise around plasma threads to promote LCDs. That would in fact make me a "fanboy". What I don't like is when anyone promotes and disseminates misinformation. So, consider my visit here as a civic duty or community service on my part and appreciate that someone is watching your back as you could be a victim, too. Now you can say, thank you.

A victim of what? What have you done to help the OP in this thread? All I have seen you do is turn another thread into a plasma vs lcd thread. Aren't there plenty of those locked up already? I asked you in a previous post if you have ever had the opportunity to own one in your home and able to adjust it to your liking and it went unanswered ? I'd really like to hear your answer and like to know what has made you an expert on plasma TVs.
post #113 of 248
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Originally Posted by AVJunkie2010 View Post

A victim of what? What have you done to help the OP in this thread? All I have seen you do is turn another thread into a plasma vs lcd thread.

I am so glad you asked. A victim of misinformation like this bit of advice regarding the orbiter. To the OP: Don't blame yourself for not turning this gimmick ON because it is not capable of preventing IR or BI.

No, I have not turned this thread into a plasma vs. LCD one. This happened in Post 19, where the term "LCD" was used 10 times, the word "stupid" twice, plus a couple of sarcastic remarks about LCDs.

My first post was 36. In it, I actually called LCDs "dumb" in the last full sentence for the humor value rather than to extol their virtues. I guess I am really lousy as an LCD troll.
post #114 of 248
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Originally Posted by ramazur View Post

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I don't want a TV set like this. Even for free.



So why waste your time in the plasma section? If you don't want to own the greatest tv(the almighty kuro). It makes no sense to try to do others a 'favor' which you claim, to stir them away from being actually happy, to try to push junky lcd(lousy oversharpened color displays) because of IR, that's a non issue to most who have a clue. Especially the kuro brand that's highly resistent.
post #115 of 248
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Originally Posted by ramazur View Post

I am so glad you asked. A victim of misinformation like this bit of advice regarding the orbiter. To the OP: Don't blame yourself for not turning this gimmick ON because it is not capable of preventing IR or BI.

No, I have not turned this thread into a plasma vs. LCD one. This happened in Post 19, where the term "LCD" was used 10 times, the word "stupid" twice, plus a couple of sarcastic remarks about LCDs.

My first post was 36. In it, I actually called LCDs "dumb" in the last full sentence for the humor value rather than to extol their virtues. I guess I am really lousy as an LCD troll.

Have you ever owned a plasma tv? why is that question hard for you answer?
post #116 of 248
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Originally Posted by Zues View Post

So why waste your time in the plasma section? If you don't want to own the greatest tv(the almighty kuro). It makes no sense to try to do others a 'favor' which you claim, to stir them away from being actually happy, to try to push junky lcd(lousy oversharpened color displays) because of IR, that's a non issue to most who have a clue. Especially the kuro brand that's highly resistent.

The descent from the mountain must have negatively impacted your vision.

Would kindly point out where in my posts I tried to "stir" anybody away from anything or push them toward LCDs.

IR is an issue to the OP. This whole thread is about IR and the "almighty" and "highly resistant" Kuro.

I am glad I was able to help you, too, to see things more clearly. That's why I am here. To help.
post #117 of 248
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Originally Posted by AVJunkie2010 View Post

Have you ever owned a plasma tv? why is that question hard for you answer?

I will answer after you retract the statement contained in the third sentence of your Post 114.
post #118 of 248
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Originally Posted by akadennis View Post

Hello everyone, it's been a while since I posted on here. I have owned the Kuro for almost 2 years now. I never used the built in screen protection features because stupid me thought it took away from the picture quality. Anyway I now notice the channel 5 fox logo burned in whenever the screen has a bright white scene. Is there anyway to get this to go away? I tried the screen saving video pattern but I still see the channel 5 logo while the white bar is going accross the screen. Thanks 2 all who respond to me.

The PRO-111FD wasn't available to anyone in the US until May 2008, so I'm not sure how you had this panel for almost 2 years

Getting down to business....

Please post the exact settings you have been using on your 111FD since you purchased the panel. Also, please advise exactly what and how long have you been watching other content on your panel beyond the 3 hours of Fox News every morning (there has been 2 comments regarding this and one was a direct question to you).

Watching Planet Earth isn't going solve your problem. Providing the information requested above will provide the data needed to assess if there is a real solution to your problem.
post #119 of 248
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Originally Posted by Zues View Post

So why waste your time in the plasma section? If you don't want to own the greatest tv(the almighty kuro). It makes no sense to try to do others a 'favor' which you claim, to stir them away from being actually happy, to try to push junky lcd(lousy oversharpened color displays) because of IR, that's a non issue to most who have a clue. Especially the kuro brand that's highly resistent.


Ramazur


At the end of the day, this is what it boils down to. If you are completely against plasma technology, why even bother posting in its subforum? Divine intervention of a helpless soul who may be mislead into purchasing one due to their belief of the PO having effect or preventative means of IR?

If you truly wanted to be constructive, you could have addressed the OP with your OWN POV. Not turn the thread into something you (and many others) have done so many times in the past?

How could you possibly say that you do not favor one technology over the other with statements like "I wouldn't take one, not even for free"? Your position is pretty loud and clear, if you ask me.
post #120 of 248
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Originally Posted by optivity View Post

It is what it is my friend. Perhaps there is a wee-bit of truth to the expression: "you get what you pay for."

I believe the consensus opinion here is no other PDP manufacturer has been able to produce a display that can match an 8G/9G Pioneer in terms of color accuracy, video processing or resistance to IR.

With that said it is obvious by the title of this thread that BI can occur with any abused PDP.

Why people don't just read & follow the instructions in their owner's manual is beyond me.

I hear ya. That said some people get misinformed and follow what some here preach as opposed to what the manufacturer clearly states.
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