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Oh great AV Scientists...please enlighten me! :P

Are there any rules of thumb for room size versus speaker size versus wattage? My room is roughly 20'x15' with 8' ceilings, wall-wall carpet and I'm looking to get an entry-level home theater system (5.1 for now, but expandable to 7.1 in the future).

I am a bit of an audiophile, but my wife controls the spending, so I must make do with what I can get. What are the sonic differences between floor speakers/bookshelves/satellites? Do I need large (5-6") woofers or are small woofers fine if I pair them with a good subwoofer? I don't care too much about volume (just enough to rumble with explosions), but I do appreciate clarity and warmth (I grew up with my dad's tube gear). I also enjoy listening to guitar-oriented music.
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Are there any rules of thumb for room size versus speaker size versus wattage? My room is roughly 20'x15' with 8' ceilings, wall-wall carpet and I'm looking to get an entry-level home theater system (5.1 for now, but expandable to 7.1 in the future).

I am a bit of an audiophile, but my wife controls the spending

I have the exact same size room and asked the same question less than a week ago. I also have to deal with the WAF (wife acceptance factor )

I got fewer responses than I expected but a couple said this size room is too large for a system composed of small satellite speakers (e.g., Energy Take Classic, Polk RM). Also, there is no rule of thumb for this sort of thing. The common thread was buy the best you can afford, even if it's only the left/center/front for now. You can always add satellites later (after you buy your wife a nice piece of jewelry )

FWIW, I am looking to upgrade my system with the Polk Monitor series, probably 40s for left/right and CS1 or CS2 for the center.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Oh great AV Scientists...please enlighten me! :P

Are there any rules of thumb for room size versus speaker size versus wattage? My room is roughly 20'x15' with 8' ceilings, wall-wall carpet and I'm looking to get an entry-level home theater system (5.1 for now, but expandable to 7.1 in the future).

I am a bit of an audiophile, but my wife controls the spending, so I must make do with what I can get. What are the sonic differences between floor speakers/bookshelves/satellites? Do I need large (5-6") woofers or are small woofers fine if I pair them with a good subwoofer? I don't care too much about volume (just enough to rumble with explosions), but I do appreciate clarity and warmth (I grew up with my dad's tube gear). I also enjoy listening to guitar-oriented music.

5-6" woofers are small and anything smaller, even if used with a (sub)woofer, is a huge compromise. I would suggest that anyone with any interest in sound quality not consider anything smaller, except as a midrange driver.
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5-6" woofers are small and anything smaller, even if used with a (sub)woofer, is a huge compromise. I would suggest that anyone with any interest in sound quality not consider anything smaller, except as a midrange driver.

Is it possible to find bookshelf speakers with 8" or larger woofers these days (at a reasonable price)?
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5-6" woofers are small and anything smaller, even if used with a (sub)woofer, is a huge compromise. I would suggest that anyone with any interest in sound quality not consider anything smaller, except as a midrange driver.

Sorry, I got my terminology mixed up. I did mean the midrange drivers. Are you suggesting that I look for speakers with woofer/driver/tweeter, or is just driver/tweeter with a sub okay?

I'd love to just get a decent FL/FR/C but my existing rears are special 3 ohm htib speakers that would overload receivers in my price range ($500 max), so I'm stuck with either going without surround sound for a couple months or lowering the quality bar.
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

Sorry, I got my terminology mixed up. I did mean the midrange drivers. Are you suggesting that I look for speakers with woofer/driver/tweeter, or is just driver/tweeter with a sub okay?

There is nothing magical about the number of drivers in a speaker. 2-way designs can sound just as good and produce just as much output as 3-way and 4-way designs. There are advantages and disadvantages of every type of design. The more drivers you have in a speaker, the more crossovers you need. Crossovers can impact sound quality so they need to be designed properly. That usually raises costs and may or may not raise the sound quality.

One of the more important spec's you should look at is speaker sensitivity. In a 2,400 cubic foot room, and with a limited receiver budget, you'll want to be sure to make maximum use of the available amplifier power. High sensitivity, (efficiency) speakers will produce more sound with less amplifier power. Look for speakers with sensitivity ratings of at least 90 dB/1 watt/1 meter, and the higher the better.

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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

I'd love to just get a decent FL/FR/C but my existing rears are special 3 ohm htib speakers that would overload receivers in my price range ($500 max), so I'm stuck with either going without surround sound for a couple months or lowering the quality bar.

I would always vote for sound quality over speaker quantity. I suggest you start out with just the left/right pair and a subwoofer, getting the best of those that the budget will allow. Then expand on that as funds become available.

There have been lots of threads lately about the whole floorstander vs. bookshelf debate. Check those out for info about this issue.

Good luck and have fun shopping for speakers.

Craig
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Personally, I'd not hamper my system development for the sake of using some HTIB rears.

Get the better fronts and center, use the HTIB speakers. Set to small with an (apparently) fairly high crossover they won't tax the receiver too hard. If they do and the receiver shuts down then just go without for a while. You'll be happier in the long run, IMHO.

In many cases bookshelves on stands don't take up any more room than floorstanders.
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Set to small with an (apparently) fairly high crossover they won't tax the receiver too hard. If they do and the receiver shuts down then just go without for a while..

Yeah but that can't be good for the receiver. Coming from the world of guitar tube amps, I know that a mismatched impedance can blow up the transformer.

edit: How do the Polk Monitor series compare with Polk's current offerings? Are they closer to the M series or the TSi? Also, I read that the Polk sound can be very harsh. I tend to prefer a warmer sound...do you think I'd be happy with Polk?
post #9 of 9
The receiver isn't a guitar tube amp with an output transformer. Generally, the lower impedance can make the receiver run hotter and may eventually shut down from thermal overload. It's not like the thing instantly blows up. I seriously doubt it will make a big problem on the surround speakers, but ultimately it's your call.

Don't know anything about the Polk speakers, never heard them.
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