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post #31 of 197
I have Geeksquad coming over next week to look at my 141 with the bad ir.
Hopefully by then I can run the Pixel Protector for a few days- still waiting fo r the disc in the mail. I only have 1 BB within 30 mile radius that still has a 141 display left, but they are asking twice what I paid for my other one and won't do an exchange.
post #32 of 197
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Originally Posted by aj slick View Post

I have Geeksquad coming over next week to look at my 141 with the bad ir.
Hopefully by then I can run the Pixel Protector for a few days- still waiting fo r the disc in the mail. I only have 1 BB within 30 mile radius that still has a 141 display left, but they are asking twice what I paid for my other one and won't do an exchange.

Your best bet would be to follow D-Nice's advice to akadennis to run a white screen for a week. D-Nice knows more about these panels than anyone else here, by a country mile.
post #33 of 197
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Originally Posted by jparker36 View Post

for those still looking for 141/151, call starpower (starpower.com) They're a dallas-based company, and I know they have a bunch of Kuro stock as they purchased every one they could find when Pio announced they were leaving. They were giving pretty decent discounts on them when I called a month ago asking about purchasing.

Hehe, it's actually star-power.com. starpower.com is a totally different site. Check it out.

And thanks for the suggestion, I pull up the site and one of my coworkers tells me his father was once CEO of the company and he has a connection there. I'll let you know what I hear. If you could, jparker, could you PM me what prices they quoted you? Thanks.
post #34 of 197
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

Your best bet would be to follow D-Nice's advice to akadennis to run a white screen for a week. D-Nice knows more about these panels than anyone else here, by a country mile.

When purchasing a floor model, what should I check to make sure it's in good shape? Burn in etc?
post #35 of 197
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Originally Posted by noahabel View Post

Hehe, it's actually star-power.com. starpower.com is a totally different site. Check it out.

And thanks for the suggestion, I pull up the site and one of my coworkers tells me his father was once CEO of the company and he has a connection there. I'll let you know what I hear. If you could, jparker, could you PM me what prices they quoted you? Thanks.

I made the same error on that website as well. The fellow I spoke with at Star-Power was very professional and knowledgeable. They have stock on many models...151, 141, KRP-600M, etc. They won't give out any pricing over phone which seems odd as they will ship anywhere. GO figure. Best I could get though is that the price would be below what's advertized on the Pioneer site. I found a 151 open box in PA that the retailer would sell for $3,400 if interested. I'm going to take a closer look at the 141 nearer to me. I want the speakers in the 151 but just can't see spending the extra $900 to get them over the 141. Now I need to learn what instore tests I should try to run so I can determine what shape the panel is in.
post #36 of 197
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

That's fine in theory, but if you look around you will see that the vast majority of owners who report manufacturing dates state that their 141s (and 600Ms) were made from August-November 2008, with apparently a production shift in 60" panels after that to mostly 151s.

In fact, I can only recall three people here reporting 141s or 600Ms with January or February 2009 builds. And I was also told by someone extremely knowledgeable about these things that my 600M panel was made at the same time Pioneer was cranking out the 141s with their "hand-picked" glass, which also suggests a very limited production time frame. So it's probably a waste of time to look specifically for late-run 141s, or to hold out for one when supply of any 60" Pioneer displays is extremely limited.

I purchased a 141 from Magnolia and I have a build date of April 2009
post #37 of 197
To check for ir on the display model, I would suggest running the scrolling white bar, which can be found on the menu and also switch the inputs, I can see the ir on a brighter screen-like white and when I switch the inputs the ir bars on the top and bottom are showing as well, make sure you view an image in full screen also.
post #38 of 197
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Originally Posted by Rollingrox View Post

I purchased a 141 from Magnolia and I have a build date of April 2009

Is that from the serial number sticker on the back of the panel or the serial number sticker from the box? A few people have reported serial number discrepancies that occurred at the factory, not from re-boxing by a merchant.
post #39 of 197
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Originally Posted by Bantam11 View Post

When purchasing a floor model, what should I check to make sure it's in good shape? Burn in etc?

As aj slick suggested, running the scroll a/k/a "video pattern" bar will help to identify discrepancies. As will bright images like snow scenes, or a full-panel break-in slide.

You also want to check to make sure the coating on the glass isn't scratched, that the back doesn't have big dents, and that the display generally looks well cared for.
post #40 of 197
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Does the serial number contain a production date code, or is it simply on the same plate?
post #41 of 197
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Originally Posted by noahabel View Post

Does the serial number contain a production date code, or is it simply on the same plate?

On my 500M and 600M, it is simply on the same sticker, along with a bar code.
post #42 of 197
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Originally Posted by p59teitel View Post

As aj slick suggested, running the scroll a/k/a "video pattern" bar will help to identify discrepancies. As will bright images like snow scenes, or a full-panel break-in slide.

You also want to check to make sure the coating on the glass isn't scratched, that the back doesn't have big dents, and that the display generally looks well cared for.

Thanks, can I assume the Geek Squad or Magnolia center at Best Buy can provide this testing for/with me? Many stores lose or throw away the original remotes...do you know how to pull up that "video pattern" bar without it? Will they also have that break-in slide you refer to or a test DVD of sorts? I fear I will probably find a few scatches/imperfections but wonder if I would notice when watching TV or whether I should accept this based on the well below low advertised discounted price (35-40%) for a new one. I've asked that they give me the total hours to date. Still waiting. Thanks.
post #43 of 197
You will be very lucky to find a remote as well as the bible (owners manual). I asked 3 or 4 stores and they had neither. They must throw them away or something. I don't know how you could run the scrolling bar let alone turn it on or off without the remote.
post #44 of 197
How can you tell if the coating on the glass is bad/scratched? Will it be that noticeable that you can look at it with the tv off? The store that I am looking to get the display from said that they use a Monster Cable product that is the only one that Pioneer allows. Is this BS or has anyone else heard this? This place isn't Best Buy, but a middle to higher end store. Thanks
post #45 of 197
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Originally Posted by rmhuber View Post

How can you tell if the coating on the glass is bad/scratched? Will it be that noticeable that you can look at it with the tv off? The store that I am looking to get the display from said that they use a Monster Cable product that is the only one that Pioneer allows. Is this BS or has anyone else heard this? This place isn't Best Buy, but a middle to higher end store. Thanks

I just viewed a panel in a BB this evening and it looked flawless...other than a few smudges that the sales rep went to get a solution to clear up for me. I didn't take notice of the product he used but whatever it was did a clean job.
post #46 of 197
I viewed both a 141 and 151 at a local BB store where they are selling these floor models. The glass and housing looked great from what I could see in the darkened room with the unit off. Unfortunately I wasn't able to run any tests as the sales rep could not locate the remote to run the video pattern or a "full panel break-in slide" (what's that?). They did have the 141 outside the Magnolia room and the sales floor in an off state and reportedly has been that way for months. The 151 was inside the Magnolia room and understand it has been in the on state for about a year. I have asked the Geek Squad to hook them up to the internet so I can learn how many hours are on each. I'm hoping this could help in the negotiation process.

I'm assuming there are many more hours on the 151 and it wouldn't shock me if they said it had 5,000 hours or more. I would expect the 141 to have half that or less but I doubt I will be able to get them to give me this information anyway. I am probably more interested in the 151 as it has the speakers and wasn't really preparing to have to buy a surround sound setup for the TV or monitor at this point. I reason that the models are close enough in performance and the speakered unit just gives me me options in the future and will cost less for the solution today.

All said and assuming the only differential in my findings is that the 151 has 2x the hours "on" than the 141 does, should this be reason enough to steer clear of the 151 and go with the 141 and add the audio components now? Should I get the extended warranty? I think the 4 year costs close to $550. Should I order a remote if they don't have one or can my 1 year old Harmony universal remote be programmed to do all the functions of the original remote? Lastly, should I expect both models to be sold at the same price or should one be more than the other.

Thanks.
post #47 of 197
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Originally Posted by Bantam11 View Post

I viewed both a 141 and 151 at a local BB store where they are selling these floor models. The glass and housing looked great from what I could see in the darkened room with the unit off. Unfortunately I wasn't able to run any tests as the sales rep could not locate the remote to run the video pattern or a "full panel break-in slide" (what's that?). They did have the 141 outside the Magnolia room and the sales floor in an off state and reportedly has been that way for months. The 151 was inside the Magnolia room and understand it has been in the on state for about a year. I have asked the Geek Squad to hook them up to the internet so I can learn how many hours are on each. I'm hoping this could help in the negotiation process.

I'm assuming there are many more hours on the 151 and it wouldn't shock me if they said it had 5,000 hours or more. I would expect the 141 to have half that or less but I doubt I will be able to get them to give me this information anyway. I am probably more interested in the 151 as it has the speakers and wasn't really preparing to have to buy a surround sound setup for the TV or monitor at this point. I reason that the models are close enough in performance and the speakered unit just gives me me options in the future and will cost less for the solution today.

All said and assuming the only differential in my findings is that the 151 has 2x the hours "on" than the 141 does, should this be reason enough to steer clear of the 151 and go with the 141 and add the audio components now? Should I get the extended warranty? I think the 4 year costs close to $550. Should I order a remote if they don't have one or can my 1 year old Harmony universal remote be programmed to do all the functions of the original remote? Lastly, should I expect both models to be sold at the same price or should one be more than the other.

Thanks.

Was the cleaner they used in a blue bottle? Probably used the monster screen cleaner. Anyways I got a remote for my 141 on ebay for about $45. You can u your Harmony, but you won't be able to do the picture adjustments and such like the pioneer remote. If you order the remote from Pioneer it costs about 75+shipping. They are really fast at getting your order though, last time I ordered a remote it took about 2 days to get it in mail. As far as the tv's go, I would buy the 141 with the lower hours. If you buy a "package deal" with tv and receiver they usually give you a good discount. The warranty is priced by how much the tv costs, so If you get it for the price you told me it shouldn't be more than $400 for 4 yrs. And if your tv can't be fixed after 4 tries, they will give you either a gift card for the price of the tv, or a similar replacement. They also have 3 yr no interest on all purchases right now so you could get a decent receiver and some speakers as well. If cost is an issue you could get a blu ray home theater system with speakers for pretty cheap and have a nice little setup.
post #48 of 197
I believe the bottle was blue. It worked well. Would you suggest getting the warranty? I will search for a remote. Are they the same for the 141 or 151? I'm surprised I can't get the Harmony to cover all functions. I was hoping the BB store would be able to help me test the screen for IR. There must be an alternative test I can do if they can't find the remote.
post #49 of 197
So is the Monster Cleaner ok to have used on the 141's panel? From some of the things I have read on the 141 owner thread they have said that no "cleaner" should be used, just a microfiber cloth and water.
post #50 of 197
Thread Starter 
For testing IR I thought about either bringing in my PS3 or using something there to play a pixel protector-type disc of slides or blank images. Can't imagine they'd have a problem with that.
post #51 of 197
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Originally Posted by noahabel View Post

For testing IR I thought about either bringing in my PS3 or using something there to play a pixel protector-type disc of slides or blank images. Can't imagine they'd have a problem with that.

I wouldn't bring in your PS3, just have them hook up a blu ray/dvd player.
post #52 of 197
I hope they unplugged the set and sprayed the cloth first, and not the set. I used it to clean mine after I got it delivered and didn't have any streaks or problems with it. Do not spray it directly on the screen though, spray a small amount and let it soak on the cloth. I had the set unplugged and the display had been off for about a week.
post #53 of 197
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Originally Posted by aj slick View Post

Please take caution because these Pioneers are on for at least 10 hours a day or more. 7 days a week. Check the manufactored date on the back. Mine was July 08. Not sure if they will let you check the hours. I am in the same situation with the warranty, I do not want to pay for the warranty only to have them give you a Panasonic, or a refund when you purchased a Kuro . There is no replacement, unless they have another PIO. I suppose I could pick up the 101 if mine is unrepairable. But after a 141 it would be hard to go back to its little brother 101.

I had a factory service remote (bought from that famous auction site), which gets you into the service menu with a single button press (and not having to turn the TV off and on).

When I bought my second 151, which was a floor model, I asked the sales person if I can check the hours on the set, of which he said, "Sure". I whipped the remote out of my pocket and was in the service menu and found it had about 4000 hours on it (june 08 manufacture date). The sales geek gulped and then the serious negotiations started, knocking plenty more off than if I didn't know how much use the set had. After they made a deal I couldn't refuse, another sales person asked me to use my remote to check the hours on the rest of the 9G plasmas on the floor.

So, 10 hours a day is about right. If the set was put on the floor shortly after the manufacture date, then at 14 months, 4000 hours was about right.
post #54 of 197
I'm not sure and they aren't going to tell me the truth, but I did see an "on display" panel (not sure what type plasma/lcd but not the 141) being sprayed first then wiped for delivery today (noticed the time). Makes me wonder, but then again I have the additional warranty and they are a reputable dealer. I actually just upgraded a 42" 720p Samsung plasma that I've had for about 7-8 months for a new Samsung 50" B860 and he gave me almost what I paid for the 42" because I said that I wasn't happy with the picture (bought for the wife). I checked Pioneer's site and they said to use no cleaners. What to do, what to do???????? This is the tv I've always wanted for the theater, but now it may be lost.
post #55 of 197
Reading this thread brings me back to when Tweeter was going out of business and tracking down clearance items/Pioneer from their website and stores. Was hoping to get an SC-09 receiver for a killer price, but they sold them at 30% off.
post #56 of 197
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Originally Posted by rmhuber View Post

I'm not sure and they aren't going to tell me the truth, but I did see an "on display" panel (not sure what type plasma/lcd but not the 141) being sprayed first then wiped for delivery today (noticed the time). Makes me wonder, but then again I have the additional warranty and they are a reputable dealer. I actually just upgraded a 42" 720p Samsung plasma that I've had for about 7-8 months for a new Samsung 50" B860 and he gave me almost what I paid for the 42" because I said that I wasn't happy with the picture (bought for the wife). I checked Pioneer's site and they said to use no cleaners. What to do, what to do???????? This is the tv I've always wanted for the theater, but now it may be lost.

BBY also didnt tell me the truth when i was just about to purchase a 141fd from them. THe guy was telling me that the display was just brought out from the box 1 month ago, and its only been on for less than a month. When the rep left to look for the remote control, i asked another rep, and he honestly told me that the TV has been on display for at least 9 months.

Be careful, theres some reps out there that will straightout lie to you when u are purchaseing a "used" $3k item......
post #57 of 197
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Originally Posted by rmhuber View Post

So is the Monster Cleaner ok to have used on the 141's panel? From some of the things I have read on the 141 owner thread they have said that no "cleaner" should be used, just a microfiber cloth and water.

From page 80 of the 500M/600M Operating Instructions:

7.2 Cleaning Methods
Before cleaning your flat panel display, unplug the power cord from the outlet.
When cleaning the screen or the glossy front bezel, gently wipe with a clean, dry cloth such as the supplied cleaning cloth or a similar type of soft cloth (e.g., cotton, flannel, etc.). Avoid a wet or damp cloth as that can let
moisture seep into the panel. A dusty or rough-textured cloth (or if you rub too hard), can scratch surfaces.

Note: Do not use liquid cleaners or aerosol cleaners on the screen.
The chassis or cabinet of the panel is mostly composed of plastic. Do not use chemicals such as benzene or paint thinner to clean the cabinet. These chemicals can mar the finish or cause other deterioration. When cleaning the
cabinet, use the same type of cloth and method as described for the front bezel.

Note: Do not affix labels, tapes, etc. to any visible location on the flat panel display. Adhesives can discolor or mar the panel surfaces.
post #58 of 197
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Originally Posted by voyager6 View Post

I had a factory service remote (bought from that famous auction site), which gets you into the service menu with a single button press (and not having to turn the TV off and on).

When I bought my second 151, which was a floor model, I asked the sales person if I can check the hours on the set, of which he said, "Sure". I whipped the remote out of my pocket and was in the service menu and found it had about 4000 hours on it (june 08 manufacture date). The sales geek gulped and then the serious negotiations started, knocking plenty more off than if I didn't know how much use the set had. After they made a deal I couldn't refuse, another sales person asked me to use my remote to check the hours on the rest of the 9G plasmas on the floor.

So, 10 hours a day is about right. If the set was put on the floor shortly after the manufacture date, then at 14 months, 4000 hours was about right.

I would of loved to see the look on the BB guy when you whipped out the remote to pull up the hours used. Nice-
post #59 of 197
That said, a slightly damp microfiber cloth on a cool screen isn't going to ruin the display. Pioneer is probably just being conservative in telling people not to use a damp cloth, figuring that there is always some idiot who will attack the thing with a drenched beach towel if told it's OK to use water.
post #60 of 197
Thread Starter 
Ooh, factory service remote?? Do tell? From that auction site?? Anyone in LA have one they can let me use for an afternoon?

EDIT: So there are two service remotes, the GGF1589 and GGF1633. I can only find the former on that auction site, but not the supposedly cheaper GGF1633. Is it confirmed that these both work on the 9G Kuros?
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