72"! - VIZIO Launches NEW XVT Pro™ Series - Page 29

Ya know that may make sense and I'm not saying your wrong but LG's largest market share is outside the US whereas in N. America Vizio and Samsung dominate and considering Vizio popularity LG may not have to even market a 72" in US if Vizio popularity can do the same under their nameplate and distribution channels.

In fact I wouldn't be surprised to find LG is laying low purposely so as not to steal any steam out of this so Vizio garners a guaranteed HT market in this size. I also agree that the provider of the panel may create a hybrid version of the panel for themselves if it can be done profitably. Vizio has a ready made base in the US with huge distribution channel and a unique brand loyalty with excellent marketing and the provider of the rebadge is going to make their money also which is how Sharp makes it's money on sales of glass for rebadging nearly half of what they produce.

Now, 1.3 large cinema view can be equivalent to about 3-4 picture height of 16:9 format. But the 16:9 1080p format was originally designed for home video displays in the living room viewing scenario. The design as done at MIT taking into account the distance and human vision plus lots of experiments. In result, 1080 is ultimate for this scenario, getting more does not make sense since information can not be received by the eyes.


You are definitely ignorant about the original research which led to the specification of 1080 format, it was done at MIT for the ATSC committee. There is no point of discussing this further , read the docs first.

Regardless of the origins of our 1080-line television standard, our 1920 x 1080p Blu-ray Disc format is able to render film-like (@ 35mm) quality with film sources which by and large are mastered with 2K interpositives anyway.

If you want your 1080 experience to be "TV", then by all means enjoy the viewing angles you propose. No problem. And from those "TV" distances, 1080 is enough resolution.

If you want your 1080 experience to be "cinema", then you need cinema-wide viewing angles, which 1080 resolution makes possibible without added visible pixel noise if the display has good fill factor and you're not closer than 1.3 screen widths.

"Home theater" and "HDTV" are not the same thing, even though they can both be enjoyed via 1920 x 1080 resolution media. I'm talking about Home-Theater. You're talking about HDTV.

I have to say, I am very intrigued by this new 72 incher. I've never owned a Vizio product before, but I'm thinking that this may be the perfect set for our basement/game room. Do you guys think it will be a good set for gaming? My kids are only six, so it's not like they're hard core gamers. They mostly just play Wii. Also, how are the Vizio sets in terms of discrete codes? I generally avoid TVs that don't have a full set of discrete power and input codes, because it makes it very difficult to program reliable macros into my remotes. Lastly, do you think I will be happy with the picture quality of this set compared to my 60" Elite KURO and 55" XBR8? I realize that the Vizio is not as high end as these two sets, but it is quite a bit newer, so I'm hoping that technology has improved enough to compensate for this.

the specs are excellent, but no one will know until they see one.

If no one has posted this here:

Good news:

I picked up the 47'' XVT472 LED at sams (got the display model)

I tested it for input lag with Rockband 2 autocalibration.

It was pretty slow in HDMI 1080P

But low and behold, I hooked up with the xbox VGA adapter and it tested between 16-19ms everytime. The most frequent results were 16 and 17ms.

That's about 1 frame of input lag. That's very good for an HDTV of any kind.

Good news for you gamers out there. Just make sure you use the VGA connection and run the TV "wide" settings in "full".

And make sure your xbox is outputting 1920.1080 and you are good to go.

Unlike a lot of TV's I've seen, this one actually has a nice picture in VGA mode.

Side note: This set is BRIGHT. First thing I had to do when I turned it on was turn the brightness way down. For all of you that enjoy digital suntans this set will do it.

what numbers did you get with the HDMI @ 1080P I'm considering this tv to be used with a ps3. just out of stock at my local sam's.

Hey fellas...you can probably get more feedback if you post post your 472 observations here...good luck
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=vizio

Yes, the HDMI numbers with Game mode enabled and all motion flow options disabled and the other TV and PC settings the same would be intereesting to compare against the VGA numbers.

it might have been true at the time. but is no longer as convincing now.

I just picked up the cables I need to do some more testing with the stopwatch test from what I remember the HDMI regular mode was terrible 80-90ms with the Rockband 2 autocalibration.

In game mode it dropped it quite a bit to 50-60ms which is still terrible for me.

VGA (which locks into its one mode) was the only way I was able to get under 20ms... under 50ms for that matter.

The interesting thing about the HDMI modes was that it didn't seem to matter whether I had 240hz or any other setting on or off.

Ya all know what really SUCKS,,,, this 72 incher aint guna come out anywhere near the stated release date.

Just look at Vizio's history of releasing stuff, stated release dates and actual release dates.

Even now, the up-graded soundbar they showed at CES was stated to be released in January, now its backed off till March or April.

I love my current Vizio products and plan on getting the 72 incher,, but me thinks the actual release date is going to be much much much later than the projected release date,,, I hope I am proven rong, but my hopes aint that high.

Cheers
Davyo

IIRC, the new 55 inch 552 became available to the general public sooner than originally announced without having to do the beta tester routine.

Second, I would much rather that Vizio take its time and get the 72 inch panel as finely tuned as possible, and also include HDMI 1.4.

I suspect HDMI 1.4 may be a time-line buster.

Irvine, CA - June 23, 2009 -- VIZIO, America's #1 HDTV and Fastest Growing Consumer Electronics Company, has unveiled details for its Fall 2009 Extreme VIZIO Technology, (XVT) series lineup, with 8 new models ranging in sizes from 32 to 55. The comprehensive range includes cutting-edge technologies like 240Hz scenes per second, TruLED with Smart Dimming backlight technology, VIZIO Internet Apps (VIA) Products are scheduled to ship throughout summer and into Fall 2009, with several already in-store or due to hit shelves soon.

This press release (above) from last June of 09 on Vizio's site said the 552 would be coming out during the summer or fall, as I recall the 552 did not get released untill well into 2010.

Correct me I am rong but I do think the 552 was late as well.

Cheers
Davyo

Well, at least we're back to talking/complaining about the 72" model.

Is this the longest thread about a product has yet to be released (more than 800 posts) ? How does it compare to the thread on Oppo Blu-ray player before the player was released?

I have looked everywhere but haven't seen any info on it. Will these new Vizio sets do 3D conversion like the new Samsungs? Not sure if anyone will have this info, but asking on the off chance.

First of all, I'd like thank everybody on this forum sharing great knowledge I learned so far. I've been just a listener rather than poster. I am very excited for 72" Vizio and planning to purchase one not because it does 3D, it simply best bang for the buck. I happened to be cable operator and just had web conference with ESPN CTO, Discovery CTO and Motorola Chief engineer a couple of days. I'll share what they were talking about 3D. Please, correct me if my perception is wrong about what I am about to say since I am still learning this new 3D technology. Our cable company actually thinking about launching 3D VOD in the near future. I read a lot of article saying Vizio TV won't display True 3D because of HDMI 1.3 spec won't flag the metadata. After listening on web conference there are long ways to launch True dual stream methods(1080p left and 1080p right) because of needing to upgrade hardware as programmer, operator and STBs. Plus bandwith. In order for broadcasting True 1080p 3D, it requires 1.5x to 2x of non 3D HD bandwith, meaning that 1 3DHD channel for 1 6MHz of bandwith. It's kind of hard to swallow as operator to work with. Anyway we won't see true 3DHD for quite sometime from broadcast point of view. Broadcaster such as ESPN and Discovery will use side-by-side od over/under format to reduce bandwidth by half so broadcaster and cable operator won't have upgrade hardware. These engineer confessed that they still have to figure out how they can insert 2D captioning, guide any on screen display over 3D. So it will be long process to watch true 3DHD at home. And I believe Avartar will be the first true 3DHD on blue-ray.
What I am trying to say is that whether Vizio offers HDMI 1.4 or not, that shouldn't be a major fact from purchasing this TV. I've looking to replace my sammy 67" LED DLP with bigger TV and Vizio sounds like winner to me.

Once again, this is the best forum by far to learn new technology. So many video/audio gurus here willing to share their expertise.

Thanks

ugh, i hate checking this thread because it just reminds me how LONG we have until it's release.

72 f'ing inches...and 3D.

WANT. RIGHT MEOW!

A Super Troopers fan, I presume.

of course

I've noticed that too. I think the rule of thumb is if they say it's being released on such and such a date add 4 months

I am pretty excited about the new Vizio 72":

http://cnettv.cnet.com/vizio-xvt-pro-72-3d-lcd/9742-1_53-50081940.html

Wow!

It only took 29 pages to make full circle here
By anywhere close to release date, it's gonna be nuts in this thread.

I will definitely be waiting for this one.

The 72" Vizio XVTPRO720SV is basically my only hope!

I've been a plasma boy for years now. First a Samsung, then an LG then my current Pioneer KRP-600M. The KRP is a beauty, but its operational buzz is annoying to me and the uneven pixel aging is a minor hassle and worry.

I can't go back to less than 60".

And I'm done with Panasonic. Even if their TC-P65VT25 turns out to be great, I'm done with that company after the way they've handled the black level issue with their current plasmas. Yo Panasonic! Basically telling your loyal customers to go f themselves is NOT good PR, ya dig?

Samsung only uses glossy screens. Sony is now following them down the glossy screen rabbit hole. I've no interest in an edge-lit, glossy screened, over-priced display!

So Vizio is it! They're my only option this year! All my hopes are placed on this XVTPRO720SV. But I've never been happy with a display yet, so the odds don't look too bright. But hope springs eternal!

Long time lurker...

Actually read all 29 pages... whew. Wanted to pipe in about a few things.

I'm a former multimedia engineer, so I'm not unfamiliar with some of these technologies... some I find interesting, some I'm not so keen on.

3D... Well, I suffer from daily migraines and vertigo, so 3D isn't high on my list. I haven't seen Avatar (I guess I'm the only one), yet, but I plan to maybe even this weekend more to give 3D a try than anything else. I'm hoping that the 3D is as well implemented as folks are saying.

I am encouraged about the 3D implementation on the Vizio for this reason. The less the brain has to reconcile, the fewer people won't be able to utilize the technology. I know that the cheaper 3D out there with the throw away glasses DOES make me sick, so the Active polarization is a BIG bonus for me, I don't really care how much the glasses cost.

I can tell not everyone read all the posts about how Vizio is doing full 3DHD because there IS definitely a way to do it over 1.3 even though they likely will ship the set with 1.4. I think Vizio realizes that while the 1.4a HDMI spec was recently put out there, broadcast content providers (as a previous poster just alluded to) currently don't have the bandwidth to accommodate full 3DHD via side by side 1080p60.

As we all know, "it's an engineering problem". They'll work it out. I'm more concerned with does it even work in a well lit room? I think the Vizio set might because the XpanD glasses are almost like ski goggles in that they block a good bit of ambient cross light. Not all, but a fair bit. It will be very interesting to demo it in a showroom.

Viewing angle. I realize they aren't using the Advanced True Wide Polarizer on the 72" set. And some folks freaked out about that. Off angle viewing is important, no doubt. However, I would caution that this different glass they are using, apparently from LG, with Vizio's titled "Wide Color Viewing Angle" technology may actually be enough in combination with the new LED implementation to deliver 178 degrees of viewing. At the very least, along with the 3D claims, Vizio has really stuck its neck out there. I noticed in both interviews the camera was at LEAST 45 degrees off axis and near 60 degrees on the gamertv interview in parts and I never saw that "privacy dimming" that happens with some LCDs and especially happens with filming LCDs (encoding off-angle LCDs in various pieces of footage used to just... well stink on ice).

After reading all the info on this TV, I told my wife that I FINALLY found a TV that would actually fill ALL my family's needs for our living room. I have a theater room (filled with boxes) that one day will house a projector and be a dedicated theater. But for the family in our VERY bright living room in Florida where we watch news, sports, and lots of movies, having a BIG tv that can handle it all and look decent in bright day and late at night at a reasonable price (service connected disabled vet with 4 kids... so my hobby is more of a looking hobby than a participating hobby...heh) is a Godsend.

We've made due with our 35" Hitachi Ultravision for the last 15 years. Just got FiOS and the picture is, frankly, still amazing. But I think the tube is about to go and nothing out there caught my eye that I could even approach affording. Until now.

Concerns? Lamp life for sure. I keep my TVs a long time. I'm 41 years old and only owned two TVs since I went out on my own at 18, a Mitsubishi 20" and the Hitachi. And I'm home alot, so I watch a fair amount. Not the 16hours a day bit... but a fair bit.

Support. I saw that Vizio has a fairly low failure rate, but I've also read some very disturbing posts from people in 2009 about how they were treated by Vizio support. What especially disturbed me was that if a new set was broken on delivery or just after, they only would send out refurbs. Yeah, I'm looking into that because that wouldn't cut it by me at all. That would be a deal breaker for me.

Other than that, I'm pretty geeked on the set. I was never looking for a Kuro, but something that could survive watching Discovery channel during the day in the bright Florida sun and look pretty good on movies, games and sports and do it at a price point that made sense.

I won't know until I've seen it with my eyes, but I'm hopeful.

Be well all.

P.S. Here is the Spec list from CES for the set. Someone posted the site, but this is the actual sheet.

Vizio XVTPRO720SV LED LCD

You wouldn't happen to have or know where I can get the spec sheet for the 55"?
I've heard good and bad things customer service from most companies.

I've had excellent customer service from Sony in the past. I do own a Vizio 32" set but never had to deal with them on it.

I've found that if you are polite, but firm and have all your ducks in a row, most companies will be very civil if you have to deal with them.

Vizio is suppossed to be very customer oriented.

Vizio XVTPRO550SV LED LCD

Ask and ye shall receive.

=)

Edit: the only difference I see are the 55" specifically states that it has an Advanced Anti-Reflective Coating and Advanced True Wide Polarizer. It also specifies 120 Zones of smart Dimming and 960 LEDs (meaning presumably 8 LEDs per zone).

Based on the area of 47.94W x 26.96H = 1292.46 sq in. or 1 LED every 1.35 sq in. (approx) for the 55"

Based on the area of 62.75W x 35.30H = 2215.08 sq in. The 72" uses 480 zones of Smart Dimming. Seeing as the 72" is 71% larger (has 171% the surface area) than the 55", the zone conversion is clearly not a 1:1 situation. So either they are using fewer LEDs per zone or the additional LEDs are enough with the smart dimming and various other off-angle technologies (like the Wide color viewing angle they reference) to overcome the need to include the ATWP.

Of course, it is very early and the ultimate test will be the calibrated review and the eyeball test.

Sure, it may be a cost cutting move or it may have essentially not made much of a difference yet would have been a significant cost. I don't have any way of knowing. I do know, as I posted before that even the preproduction models of the 72 seem to do pretty well on off angles in excess of 45 degrees from center as I saw nothing change in the video as the camera moved that I wouldn't first attribute to the encoding. As well, on the gamertv interview, at times, the camera seemed to near 60 degrees off center and still, I saw no dimming, ghosting or other artifacting that would indicate to me inferior off-axis performance.

And really, if someone is more than 60 degrees off axis, I dunno that they're getting much benefit anyway. Not that I want a black screen or unwatchable picture at that spot. I don't. But the good news is that the 72 seemed unaffected at approximately 60 degrees on camera and that's very good news regarding it's off-angle performance. Encouraging at the very least.

Thanks much Mackeyser!

The 55" is on my list as well as the Sony HX900 52" set. The Sony will probably cost too much though.