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post #181 of 342
I saw it last night. Enjoyed it but was a bit disappointed with the intro. Didn't look as neat as the previous ones
post #182 of 342
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

One question I had was Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Did Bond fake getting shot after hearing M say "Take the shot"? There was never a reference to the wound if so. The only bullet wound reference was when the guy he was chasing shot him and he dug the fragments out of his shoulder.
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Bond tells Eve that her bullet broke threee (four?) of his ribs and "some of the less vital organs," or something to that effect.
post #183 of 342
Ah, ok, there it is then. Answers my qustion. Thanks.
post #184 of 342
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Originally Posted by pokekevin View Post

I saw it last night. Enjoyed it but was a bit disappointed with the intro. Didn't look as neat as the previous ones

Do you mean the opening chase sequence or the title intro with Adele's song?
post #185 of 342
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Do you mean the opening chase sequence or the title intro with Adele's song?

Adele's song was weak, forced, IMHO.
post #186 of 342
I think Adele's song is better than most Bond songs. While her repertoire is not always my cup of tea she has a few songs that I really love, and I admit Skyfall is one of them.
post #187 of 342
I don't know if the opening sequence played a factor or if a second listen made the difference but I thought it played better on screen than on YouTube. I still wasn't crazy about it thought.

For the record, that's my biggest gripe about the movie. cool.gif
post #188 of 342
I just returned from viewing the movie. I truly enjoyed it! To me, most of the film was a break from the "traditional" Bond. This gritty view of Bond I found to be refreshing. Except for Q's room, no gadgets to speak of. I'm buying the BluRay when it comes out. As to the opening song--meh. It's ok. The video portion of the opening was quite impressive, though.
post #189 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I think Adele's song is better than most Bond songs. While her repertoire is not always my cup of tea she has a few songs that I really love, and I admit Skyfall is one of them.

Maybe this just proves that neither of us has good musical taste but I agree that the Adele song was effective.
post #190 of 342
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Maybe this just proves that neither of us has good musical taste but I agree that the Adele song was effective.

There are so many different genres I like I'm not even sure I have any taste at all wink.gif
post #191 of 342
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There are so many different genres I like I'm not even sure I have any taste at all wink.gif

Yeah, your opinion reminds me of a saying that I first heard credited to the great jazz pianist, Oscar Peterson, but have since learned had been said by a lot of others before Peterson: "There are only two kinds of music, good and bad." Makes sense to me.
post #192 of 342
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

I don't know if the opening sequence played a factor or if a second listen made the difference but I thought it played better on screen than on YouTube.
I felt the same way. I wasn't a fan of the song on the radio, and was dreading it on screen, but I was actually entertained by the opening sequence.
post #193 of 342
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Yeah, your opinion reminds me of a saying that I first heard credited to the great jazz pianist, Oscar Peterson, but have since learned had been said by a lot of others before Peterson: "There are only two kinds of music, good and bad." Makes sense to me.

I thought it was Duke Ellington who said it but then again, I read somewhere it was also attributed to Louis Armstrong so...who knows? It's true, though.
post #194 of 342
Went the first day with the wife. I am 56 and have seen every Bond movie from day one. I thought it was really good and made for a great movie night. Title song was decent also. Not the best but I like it as my wife also did. Craig is by far the best Bond since the original Bond and really the closest Bond to the original Books. Excellent movie.
post #195 of 342
On the fence with this one. I like the new attitude to a point. Great to see them introduce Q and what is the new MoneyPenny.
I agree with the many negative reviews on IMDB calling foul on the script. Shallow for a Bond film. Revenge is not enough wink.gif
Edited by thedeskE - 11/14/12 at 4:52pm
post #196 of 342
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On the fence with this one. I like the new attitude to a point. Great to see them introduce Q and what is the new MoneyPenny.
I agree with the many negative reviews on IMDB calling foul on the script. Shallow for a Bond film. Revenge is not enough wink.gif

I dont think its shallow, but this movie should have been made directly after Casino Royal. That would have been perfect.
post #197 of 342
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On the fence with this one. I like the new attitude to a point. Great to see them introduce Q and what is the new MoneyPenny.
I agree with the many negative reviews on IMDB calling foul on the script. Shallow for a Bond film. Revenge is not enough wink.gif

Thanks for the tip on IMDB, I thought I was the only one around who didn't care for this film. Reading through the critical reviews it was interesting to note that several were from fans in the UK. Of course I didn't read them all but it was gratifying to read posts from people who were much better than I at tearing the script/plot apart. Many great comments that you will likely not see in this thread. Lazy script writing is what soured me on this film and I think we are too generous to call it a Bond movie.

- G
post #198 of 342
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

On the fence with this one. I like the new attitude to a point. Great to see them introduce Q and what is the new MoneyPenny.
I agree with the many negative reviews on IMDB calling foul on the script. Shallow for a Bond film. Revenge is not enough wink.gif


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But getting rid of Judy Dench does pave the way for the M / Moneypenny characters.

Edited by CHolleman - 11/16/12 at 8:00am
post #199 of 342
^^^ *cough* I have seen the movie but this is somewhat of a major spoiler you might want to hide these details... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Just saying... smile.gif
post #200 of 342
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Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post

Thanks for the tip on IMDB, I thought I was the only one around who didn't care for this film. Reading through the critical reviews it was interesting to note that several were from fans in the UK. Of course I didn't read them all but it was gratifying to read posts from people who were much better than I at tearing the script/plot apart. Many great comments that you will likely not see in this thread. Lazy script writing is what soured me on this film and I think we are too generous to call it a Bond movie.
- G

Many comments on the lack of escapism elements. We could tear apart any Bond film. They're all silly.
Who knows, perhaps 1 extra gadget might do the trick. Hard to say, but the DB5 was not it wink.gif
post #201 of 342
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Who knows, perhaps 1 extra gadget might do the trick. Hard to say, but the DB5 was not it wink.gif
I admit I missed the DBS! But Craig has the bad habit of totaling his Aston Martins it's almost painful to watch wink.gif
post #202 of 342
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I admit I missed the DBS! But Craig has the bad habit of totaling his Aston Martins it's almost painful to watch wink.gif

Oldest Spy Movie Gag in the book, but yes..ouch!
post #203 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

^^^ *cough* I have seen the movie but this is somewhat of a major spoiler you might want to hide these details... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Just saying... smile.gif

Thanks. forgot the tags
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post #205 of 342
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The DC Bond movies are "cut from the same cloth" as the Fleming books. There is no humor in them. Personally, I like it that way. About the only Bond movies like that are Dr. No and From Russia With Love. After that, the one liners started and progressed from there.


If your only exposure to James Bond is from movies, you owe it yourself to read a few of Fleming's books.
++1 Fleming novels are essential reading if you really want to understand 007.
post #206 of 342
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Originally Posted by ratpacker View Post

DC is just another attempt at the T. Dalton style of Bond. Ugh.
DC is another attempt at the Fleming style of Bond and they portrayed it very well with Casino Royale. That movie followed the novel more closely than any other except Dr. No and possibly From Russia, with Love and was a big success. Many of the movies have nothing to do with the novels other than usually the name of the villain and the main " Bond girl". I think Fleming would have barfed if he had lived to see the Moore films.
post #207 of 342
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Maybe so, but very different actors with very different careers. TD made a decent effort to be a tougher Bond, but it was just not believable. DC is believable and physically much more capable. I don't believe for a moment that TD's Bond could intimidate with his bare hands. DC's Bond is dangerously and intimidatingly capable. That is the connection that many of us make with Connery's Bond in his more brutal moments...which are much like the Bond of the novels.


DC's Bond gives me the feeling that he might never achieve the level of sophistication that Bond does in the novels, but I think that DC has the best chance to take him there since Connery. Bond in the novels is never a prima dona pretty boy. He's a crude bastard that has learned that he likes the finer things in life along the way. DC's Bond could eventually stabilize into that character.


I would like to see DC's Bond evolve to a more stable character so that we can concentrate a bit less on him every second, and enjoy a great spy story. Maybe a bit more professional than personal.


Personally, I'd like to see a retro-Bond movie going back to the cold war era of the 50s or 60s, but I fear that would not be marketable in this era.
Love this post. I agree with everything in it. I am also tired of the story revolving around Bond and his love and revenge and loyalty to M (which was completely unwavering in the books) and his rogue unsanctioned lone wolf missions. Casino was excellent and then they strayed again for Vesper. In the book after he finds out that she was a double and is dead, the last sentence of the book is him telling a Secret Service contact "The bitch is dead now". Remember in Dr. No when 007 playing Solitaire in the the bungalow while he is waiting for Strangways to show up and Strangways comes in and shoots up the bed where he thinks Bond is sleeping? Bond is sitting casually in a chair and lights a cigarette and smokes it while he interrogates him while letting him think that he has some hope if only he can reach his gun that 007 told him to drop. Bond lets him drag it across the rug as he questions him and then when Strangways picks it up to shoot and it is empty Bond says "Thats a Smith & Wesson professor. And you've had your six" Then 007 shoots him once in the heart and when he falls to the ground 007 finishes him off with a shot in the back. 007 then casually pulls the silencer off of his gun, blows the gunsmoke through it and then smells the silencer. THAT is quintessential Ian Flemings James Bond 007, License to Kill.
Edited by Bond 007 - 11/16/12 at 9:55pm
post #208 of 342
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

I appreciate what I think you're trying to say here but I have to disagree. Denzel in a classic Sherlock portrayal would be difficult because he's a 19th century character. So from a historical perspective he would be out of place. Fred Sanford (Sanford and Son) was situated in Watts, which would have been predominantly black/African American and Hispanic. So Robin Williams, while likely very funny, would have seemed out of place too though not an entirely impossible stretch. James Bond doesn't have either of these limitations and it's entirely plausible that a British double-O agent could in fact be a black man with all the Bond characteristics.
First off I like DW. He is a good actor. That being said. I am a pretty hardcore old school Bond purist in case you havent noticed. I am still pissed off about them making M a woman and just beginning to get over Daniel Craig having blonde hair instead of black. If they make Bond anything other than a convincing white Englishman I will wash my hands of it forever. Although the idea of a black jewish lesbian quadropalegic does open up some possibilities.
Edited by Bond 007 - 11/16/12 at 10:24pm
post #209 of 342
Clive Owen as James Bond. IMO way better choice than DC and less pretentious.
post #210 of 342
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Originally Posted by Hughmc View Post

Clive Owen as James Bond. IMO way better choice than DC and less pretentious.

I agree. I hope Craig doesn't last long.
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