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post #211 of 342
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Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

I agree. I hope Craig doesn't last long.

He will last 2 more movies at least.

Different times needs different Bonds.
post #212 of 342
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Originally Posted by Hughmc View Post

Clive Owen as James Bond. IMO way better choice than DC and less pretentious.

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Originally Posted by Jim McC View Post

I agree. I hope Craig doesn't last long.

Clive Owen?? Talk about lack of charisma! Owen has been desperately trying to prove that he's an action star for years now, but it never quite worked imo. I fail to see where Daniel Craig is pretentious. I like his grittier take on the character. In this 2012, post-Ethan Hunt/Jason Bourne time, Daniel Craig's portrayal of 007 is very fitting. I'm glad there's at least 2 more movies with him. Ralph Fiennes is also a very exciting addition to the cast... smile.gif
post #213 of 342
Went and saw it today and thought it was great. Can't wait till the next.
post #214 of 342
I loved the first one in the Daniel Craig series, thought that the second one was pretty forgettable, and this third one was amazing. I loved it!
post #215 of 342
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

He will last 2 more movies at least.
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I heard that on the radio today, excellent news smile.gif
post #216 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Daniel Craig's portrayal of 007 is very fitting. I'm glad there's at least 2 more movies with him.

I agree 100%
post #217 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

Clive Owen?? Talk about lack of charisma! Owen has been desperately trying to prove that he's an action star for years now, but it never quite worked imo.
I have to disagree Clive Owen is an awesome actor.
post #218 of 342
Originally Posted by Franin View Post


I have to disagree Clive Owen is an awesome actor.

That's what they're sayin'

post #219 of 342
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

I have to disagree Clive Owen is an awesome actor.

Don't get me wrong I like him, but I don't see him as the "action hero". Most of the time I think he's forcing it a little bit, in more restraint roles he can be excellent indeed.
post #220 of 342
Get real people...Clive owen's acting and persona puts audience to sleep faster than a Valium.
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Get real people...Clive owen's acting and persona puts audience to sleep faster than a Valium.

I personally feel there are much better options. His work isn't exactly what I would call memorable. Depending on your taste for the Bond character, I don't see him pulling off the gruff edge or the suaveness of personality. Sure, he has that tall, moussed hair kind of thing going from the 90's and he'd probably look good in a tux but IMO that would be about the extent of it.
post #222 of 342
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

Get real people...Clive owen's acting and persona puts audience to sleep faster than a Valium.

I have to disagree. I think Clive Owen has a lot of talent and that he would have made a great James Bond. That said, I think Daniel Craig's performances as Bond have been wonderful. To me, Craig is the only actor to fill the Bond roll whose performances have matched Sean Connery's.
post #223 of 342
I have to say I enjoyed Skyfall, but it took me a while to get past Javier Barden - all I kept thinking of was Fred Armisen on SNL.
post #224 of 342
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Originally Posted by gwsat View Post

I have to disagree. I think Clive Owen has a lot of talent and that he would have made a great James Bond. That said, I think Daniel Craig's performances as Bond have been wonderful. To me, Craig is the only actor to fill the Bond roll whose performances have matched Sean Connery's.

Clive Owen doesn't have the implied physicality that Craig has, and Connery had. For that reason alone, he wouldn't be as good as Craig. For the next Bond after Craig (if he isn't too old by then), I would make a strong pitch for Michael Fassbender. He would definitely be in the Connery mold.
post #225 of 342
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Originally Posted by Joseph View Post

Clive Owen doesn't have the implied physicality that Craig has, and Connery had. For that reason alone, he wouldn't be as good as Craig. For the next Bond after Craig (if he isn't too old by then), I would make a strong pitch for Michael Fassbender. He would definitely be in the Connery mold.
There you go...now is that so hard. I never thought of that but I have an open mind. He actually looks like a young Connery from certain angles and most of all he has the great balance of brawn and brains. But most of all he's personal with real emotions which is what I miss most from Connery ,Moore, and even Brosnan. I'm glad you guys love Craig but he'll never be Bond to me, he's a great actor but plays Bond like a blockhead meatball.
post #226 of 342
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

he's a great actor but plays Bond like a blockhead meatball.

Disagree he does a fantastic job as Bond. I'm glad he signed up for another two.
post #227 of 342
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Disagree he does a fantastic job as Bond. I'm glad he signed up for another two.
That's totally fine and I'm sure you and many will get your enjoyment. I wish I can be that hopeful for the next 2.

Btw after Mr Broccoli died and left the franchise to his daughter Barbara, she IMO F this bond up with her own fantasy and vision of Bond. I know without a doubt if he was still alive he would NOT pick Craig
post #228 of 342
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

That's totally fine and I'm sure you and many will get your enjoyment. I wish I can be that hopeful for the next 2.
Btw after Mr Broccoli died and left the franchise to his daughter Barbara, she IMO F this bond up with her own fantasy and vision of Bond. I know without a doubt if he was still alive he would NOT pick Craig

That's totally fine that you believe that and I hope you get some enjoyment from your belief but you have no idea if Mr Broccoli were alive
if he would have picked Craig or not.
None. Zero.

Your point about Broccoli's daughter having her own fantasy and vision of Bond is pretty laughable as the Craig Bond is IMO the closest
to the early Ian Fleming Bond. In the Fleming books Bond looked dangerous...he wasnt a pretty boy (Someone mentioned Ben Affleck??)...
Craig has that edge that has been missing from the Bond movies for years.
post #229 of 342
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Originally Posted by zoey67 View Post

That's totally fine and I'm sure you and many will get your enjoyment. I wish I can be that hopeful for the next 2.
Btw after Mr Broccoli died and left the franchise to his daughter Barbara, she IMO F this bond up with her own fantasy and vision of Bond. I know without a doubt if he was still alive he would NOT pick Craig

I'm not so sure about that. Barbara Broccoli is quoted as saying that her father embraced collaborating and reacting to great ideas; though he maintained not to keep Fleming as a base for answers if/when she got stuck. Since, they looked at what the post 9/11 Bond would look like and incorporated that into the vision after Die Another Day. This is where I think they got it right with Craig. I will acknowledge and concede that Craig's physical appearance is not "true" to Fleming's portrayal aside from the "cruel mouth" reference. However, his intensity is as...."the rather saturnine young man...Something a bit cold and dangerous in that face. Looks pretty fit. May have been attached to Templer in Malaya. Or Nairobi. Mau Mau work. Tough-looking customer. Doesn’t look the sort of chap one usually sees in Blades....."

IMO, no one actor that I know of caries both physical and persona characteristics. So there is somewhat of a trade off, particularly in the post 9/11 era, and IMO the physical has to give way to the persona. I'll buy Craig as Bond, a post 9/11 spy, based on his sly intensity alone.
post #230 of 342
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Originally Posted by dan4081 View Post

That's totally fine that you believe that and I hope you get some enjoyment from your belief but you have no idea if Mr Broccoli were alive
if he would have picked Craig or not.
None. Zero.
Your point about Broccoli's daughter having her own fantasy and vision of Bond is pretty laughable as the Craig Bond is IMO the closest
to the early Ian Fleming Bond. In the Fleming books Bond looked dangerous...he wasnt a pretty boy (Someone mentioned Ben Affleck??)...
Craig has that edge that has been missing from the Bond movies for years.

Agree. It's been forever since I read a Fleming book, but nontheless, I agree that Craig does have a necessary edge for the part. It was the pretty boy look and the focus on gadgets that turned me off of the franchise. I'll take Craig over Brosnan and Moore anytime. I will say that the earlier Bonds played the parts that were written. It's the new mood of the Craig Bond films that has changed and for the better IMO.
post #231 of 342
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

I'm not so sure about that. Barbara Broccoli is quoted as saying that her father embraced collaborating and reacting to great ideas; though he maintained not to keep Fleming as a base for answers if/when she got stuck. Since, they looked at what the post 9/11 Bond would look like and incorporated that into the vision after Die Another Day. This is where I think they got it right with Craig. I will acknowledge and concede that Craig's physical appearance is not "true" to Fleming's portrayal aside from the "cruel mouth" reference. However, his intensity is as...."the rather saturnine young man...Something a bit cold and dangerous in that face. Looks pretty fit. May have been attached to Templer in Malaya. Or Nairobi. Mau Mau work. Tough-looking customer. Doesn’t look the sort of chap one usually sees in Blades....."
IMO, no one actor that I know of caries both physical and persona characteristics. So there is somewhat of a trade off, particularly in the post 9/11 era, and IMO the physical has to give way to the persona. I'll buy Craig as Bond, a post 9/11 spy, based on his sly intensity alone.

You bring up some good points.
I remember in the Fleming book The Spy Who loved Me and the heroine (cant remember her name....) and she was in the resort with the 2 thugs. There was a knock on the door....she got excited it might be someone to rescue her...she opened the door and her heart sunk...its 'another one of them' or something along those lines when she saw Bond...because he looked cruel and dangerous.

Having read the books I laugh (and cringe) when I hear names like Ben Affleck suggested....UGH.....please no...
post #232 of 342
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Originally Posted by dan4081 View Post

You bring up some good points.
I remember in the Fleming book The Spy Who loved Me and the heroine (cant remember her name....) and she was in the resort with the 2 thugs. There was a knock on the door....she got excited it might be someone to rescue her...she opened the door and her heart sunk...its 'another one of them' or something along those lines when she saw Bond...because he looked cruel and dangerous.
Having read the books I laugh (and cringe) when I hear names like Ben Affleck suggested....UGH.....please no...

Affleck is not a reasonable suggestion or one to be taken seriously for the Bond character. They wouldn't even be able to get that project financed because no one would take it seriously. Not knocking Affleck as I guess he's fine in other roles, just not this one.
post #233 of 342
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Originally Posted by dan4081 View Post

You bring up some good points.
I remember in the Fleming book The Spy Who loved Me and the heroine (cant remember her name....) and she was in the resort with the 2 thugs. There was a knock on the door....she got excited it might be someone to rescue her...she opened the door and her heart sunk...its 'another one of them' or something along those lines when she saw Bond...because he looked cruel and dangerous.
Having read the books I laugh (and cringe) when I hear names like Ben Affleck suggested....UGH.....please no...
No one has mentioned the small scar on his left cheek that was the result of a knife fight. This added to his "rather cruel and menacing" look. Fleming even stated several times that he had a "cruel" smile. All this talk about who should play 007 doesn't mean much to me. It is important that he look the part but the plot and script is more important to me. The actor doesnt have much input. He just does what he is told. Of course he must be convincing. I would despise Daniel Craig in Casino Royale if they made him act like Moore in A View to a Kill.
post #234 of 342
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Affleck is not a reasonable suggestion or one to be taken seriously for the Bond character. They wouldn't even be able to get that project financed because no one would take it seriously. Not knocking Affleck as I guess he's fine in other roles, just not this one.
That's as bad as the rumors a while back of Cage being Superman rolleyes.gif He will forever remind me of the dumb vulture from Looney Tunes.



I would like to see more of what we had with Casino Royale... that script was fantastic, the pace was great, I liked the vilain and realy liked Vesper wink.gif I enjoyed this one but was hoping for a bit more depth in the plot. I also expected Badrem to be more evil given the build-up.
post #235 of 342
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I enjoyed this one but was hoping for a bit more depth in the plot. I also expected Badrem to be more evil given the build-up.

Oh, I thought the plot was great both self contained in this film with greater intrigue for what is to come. And to me, Bardem's character was almost a parallel to Ledger's Joker in The Dark Knight. I thought he was quite sinister but we all perceive things differently. Part of what makes the movie going experience fun.
post #236 of 342
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Originally Posted by Closet Geek View Post

Affleck is not a reasonable suggestion or one to be taken seriously for the Bond character. They wouldn't even be able to get that project financed because no one would take it seriously. Not knocking Affleck as I guess he's fine in other roles, just not this one.

I still don't get all the negativity towards Ben Affleck. But, isn't it something of a requirement/convention that James Bond should be played by an english actor? I know it's kinda irrelevant after Skyfall but I think Ralph Fiennes would have made a great 007.
post #237 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I still don't get all the negativity towards Ben Affleck. But, isn't it something of a requirement/convention that James Bond should be played by an english actor? I know it's kinda irrelevant after Skyfall but I think Ralph Fiennes would have made a great 007.

I agree. Ben Affleck is a perfectly adequate actor but not a great one. He is well on his way, though, toward becoming a great director.
post #238 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I still don't get all the negativity towards Ben Affleck.
Good looks. Intelligent and articulate. Money. Nice looking women on his arm. An extremely bright future as a director. Recognizable worldwide. Can pretty much have and do anything he wants. All perfectly good reasons to hate him. wink.gif
post #239 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

I still don't get all the negativity towards Ben Affleck. But, isn't it something of a requirement/convention that James Bond should be played by an english actor? I know it's kinda irrelevant after Skyfall but I think Ralph Fiennes would have made a great 007.

Actually a Scot is more appropriate, is it not?
post #240 of 342
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Originally Posted by Morpheo View Post

But, isn't it something of a requirement/convention that James Bond should be played by an english actor?

Well, someone of related descent, at least.

Connery - Scottish
Lazenby - Australian
Moore - British
Dalton - Welsh
Brosnan - Irish
Craig - British

I suppose it's time for a Canadian to step up.

Shatner as Bond! smile.gif
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