Samsung 2010 plasma models - Page 11

Thanks,,,Saw it in your post already.....I mean any other new...Thanks again..

But you're assuming the 34% in the AVS poll are a representative sample of the total user population and there is zero evidence to suggest it. The poll is self-selecting responders from the already self-selected subset of AVS users. By the same measure, 25% of the current/final year Pioneer Kuro's have a buzz problem according to another poll. I doubt that's an accurate ratio either. I can't tell you what the accurate # is but it would be incredibly atypical if it were remotely close to the self-selected polling level. As an alternative frame of reference, Consumer Reports most recent issue, based on thousands of responders, placed the Samsung plasma problem percent for a running basis of 2007 through 2009 at 3%.

General specs are posted, but no user manual link yet.[/quote]

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I am living in HK ,Use 50 samsung plasma..Because Samsung not support Asia any more..I think I will buy the C-8000 58 or 63 in Us or Euro...If any any new,Please let me know..Thank you...

Abt Electronics also has the PN58C8000 posted for 2999.99. I'm pulling the trigger on that TV as soon as it hits Amazon. Praying to god the buzz problem that made me send the 58b860 back has been fixed.

Well, for one, I live in Chicago. Which is home of the highest sales tax in America, 10.25%. And second, Amazon completely took care of me when I had the 58b860 that buzzed. It was 1 day past its return date (I was waiting for Samsung service) and they still took it back. It didn't have a box, it was techincally past expiration, they came and took it away, and I was refunded 100%. Very happy with Amazon's customer service, I can't say the same about Best Buy or other local retailers.

I buy from Amazon because there isn't any other option, Best Buy is 50 miles away and says my house doesn't exist, Sears takes 3 weeks to order the unit, Walmart has nothing but crap at high prices.

Amazon delivers to my door for free (and without tax) sets the unit up and lets me do a quick check for defects before signing for it. They also offer free returns if something is wrong with the unit.

I added the % from the poll, actually, as an edit (within five min., that's why it doesn't show as edited), but, I, indeed, should have added, that the polls are very likely not nearly representative of the true %. I am aware that Panasonic is listed as 2%, Pioneer 3%, and Samsung is 3%; (with % so small, they should really list them to the 0.1%). Anyway, CR is not necessarily very accurate in terms of defect reports, but probably fairly accurate; certainly much more so than AVS polls in this regard. However, AFAIK, CR didn't ask people how many had a Samsung plasma that buzzed annoyingly, but you kept it anyway. I have read many customer reviews of Samsung plasmas for '09 on other review sites and vendor sites, and my conservative calculated guess is that 8% or so buzz annoyingly.

Does anyone know which models will have an AR filter equivalent to the B860? I had a B860 for a short time and felt it did a great job in my bright room - had to return it due to other product issue. I decided to hold off for 2010 models and wondering if either the 6500 or 7000 will come with an equivalent filter. Thanks

I'd like to know this myself. I wonder if the 4 series has it.

3D Glasses US 150-

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/26/s...150-shutter-g/

Does anyone have info on what the calibration mode includes on the PN50C590? I am assuming its the same as what they put in the 6 and up last year.

It looks like the only differences between the 8k and 7k series are built in Wi-fi and a "calibration menu". If that's true, I will probably opt for a 63" 7 series over a 58" 8 series.

Does anyone have the specs for both the PNxxC450 and PNxxC430 plasmas? I am hoping that the C430 has a PC Input like the C450, but haven't been able to find any information on it. The thing I like about the C430 is the lack of the ToC design. I noticed that the PN42C450 already has a review on Amazon, and it appears to be a very positive one.

I'm not seeing any of the 2010 models on the Samsung page... a Bjorns sales rep told me a few days ago that his Samsung rep told him that the 2010 plasmas would be hitting shelves early March, all sizes all lines, it would be nice but I'll be surprised. Anyone else heard reliable release dates?

Found a link to the specs for the 63" 8000 series:

http://media.onecall.com/Image_Produ...8000_63_V3.pdf

Looks like a nice reduction in width (1.75" less) and height (1" less). Also 40+ lbs lighter than previous models (and the thickness of 1.4" reflects that).

I'm still pretty sure I'll be getting a 63" 6500 or 7000 series - because I don't care about 3D, the special remote or the "best of the best" feature set. I am excited, though, that I'll be able to fit a 63" in my space - as I'll likely have this TV for a loooong time, so I want to "maximize my investment".

Maybe it's silly, but I love the idea of getting an "extra" 3-5 inches when compared to what was previously able to fit (a 58-60" of last year's models).

So wait, I thought the buzzing was an issue across ALL plasma models. Yes or no? I'm ready to pull the trigger on a 50b560 if not.

Also, the 8000 has Cinema Smooth and Motion Judder Canceller and the 7000 doesn't.

think those are worth it?

That's really a personal call. If they've fixed the issue with Cinema Smooth raising the black level, then I would say probably yes. For $300 more, you get all of those added features, so really it's up to whether you think those warrant the extra $$ or not.

I am in the same camp--I hope the C430 has similar specs/PQ as the c450 because I would also prefer no ToC.

It depends if:

1) They have fixed the Cinema Smooth defects that were present in the 2009 line-up that they never fixed;

2) That they don't do like this year and make all those upgraded features (Cinema Smooth, calibration, etc.) available on cheaper models for anyone who goes into the service menu and turns them on.

Things we won't know until AVS people get their hands on them and test first-hand.

First, it's worth noting that Samsung brochures are notorious for inaccuracies and errors, so its possible there are various mistakes or omissions here.

A couple notes in comparison to 2009 models:

-- It's about 35 lbs. lighter (with stand) than the 2009 63", not 40.

-- It is interesting that they only list it as having "FilterBright" antiglare. I hope / assume this is a mistake. The 2009 models have 3 levels of antiglare filters: the low-end models have "FilterBright" (what they state the 2010 model has), the mid-line models have "Ultra FilterBright" and the current Series 8 as "Ultra FilterBright Plus." It would be odd for them to downgrade the filter to the base line models on their new top-of-the-line. Especially since the baseline FilterBright is not very good and gets lots of negative feedback -- the Ultra is MUCH better.

-- I hope it is a mistake that they say then only have 4 HDMI connections and 2 USB. I didn't see mention of any Component/Composite inputs. Reducing it to only one was already a major downside of the 2009 Series 8 -- to eliminate them completely would be crazy.

-- I wonder if the Motion Judder Canceller works in 60Hz or only with Cinema Smooth. Anyone know? And of course the bigger question is whether Cinema Smooth is complete junk like this year or fixed to actually work correctly.

Ouch, I've been there a few times and didn't notice the 10.25%.

does anyone have ant pic of thr remote love to see what it looks like

Saw the 42C450 at Frys. It definitely did not have the extra sheet of glass like on last years models, which is very nice. Had a much nicer stand as well. It was very large, wide, and rectangular-shaped, and I think it was glass rather than plastic. It didn't look like that cheaper black plastic oval one on the '09 model.

I hope for Samsung's sake that their step-up models have different black levels and they are not the same across the whole line, because the black levels were no better (perhaps even a bit worse) than the B550 that was sitting right next to it. The filter seemed no better on the C450 than on the B550 beside it as well. I shut both TV's off for a minute and took a gander at them.

Still, I think it may be a winner, if they managed to cut the power consumption over last year, cut the weight, cut the reflection from the extra sheet of glass, slimmed it ever so slightly, gave it much a nicer stand, AND last but not least, at 6 bills it is already selling for less than last year's.