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post #61 of 964
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Originally Posted by NOAMattD View Post

Any word from the show floor on pricing and/or when these will be available?

I had ask some there and they said before the second half of next year. Not sure if that's true or not.
post #62 of 964
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Originally Posted by GBFreek View Post

Um...is it listed in Chris's list above?

Great stuff Chris...I am assuming likely mid-year avail on most of these?

Really seems (from CES) that plasma is the ugly stepchild...and LED is going to become the gold standard. Did you get that feel when you were there?

Most companies flaunted all the new LCD/LED displays, and it seems like they then were like, "Oh, and before we use all of our time...here is a listing of the 4 or 5 plasma units that will be coming out".

Maybe its just me...

I felt that way last year , that plasma was the ugly stepchild. Then they are were released, we did some tests, plasma in my mind at this point is flat out better. Most experts feel the same. Plasma is more cost effective to, especially in the larger sizes. Once these new sets come out we will see what happens. Samsungs high end units are 1" thick in plasma Samsung UNxxC9000 LED series will be 3/16" of an inch thick, lol, sick I tell ya
Keep in mind the lower end units will be out in March, then after that the high end units will come.
post #63 of 964
why do people love the Panasonic plazma over the samsung is it because of the black levels that is all i hear about in that theard i tell you this samsung plazma is a lot brighter the panasonic. i rather have a brigther plazma over better blacks anyday of the week whAT DO U THINK
post #64 of 964
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Originally Posted by runner66 View Post

why do people love the Panasonic plazma over the samsung is it because of the black levels that is all i hear about in that theard i tell you this samsung plazma is a lot brighter the panasonic. i rather have a brigther plazma over better blacks anyday of the week whAT DO U THINK

Really? I thought Panasonic plasmas were brighter than the Samsungs because of they are NEO PDPs (aka 5 lumens tech). Samsung does have an edge in color reproduction and video processing over the pannys. Panasonics are known for their black levels.
post #65 of 964
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Originally Posted by documaker View Post

why can't these clowns tell us how thin it is? I just want to know how thin the things are.

iirc ~ 1.5"
post #66 of 964
I want to know width and height to see if they've gotten any smaller bezel-wise. The thin-ness is nice if you're wall-mounting it, but some of us have other limitations space-wise.
post #67 of 964
No 50" models for the 3D 7000 and 8000 series? what a total dissapointment

Anyways, 3D haters need to be put to rest. Apperantly these new 3D shutter glasses which give full 1080p HD in each eye offer a greater 3D performance than what you see in Imax 3D, according to one of the IGN gear heads. he felt completly immersed into the experience and blown away when viewing the new Avatar Trailer on one of the New Panasonic 3D plasma displays.
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post #69 of 964
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Originally Posted by Something_Soft View Post

http://www.avforums.com/forums/repor...gy-2010-a.html

Looks pretty neat.

I really like the filter Samsung uses. Great contrast during daytime. I wonder if Panasonic's Z1 filter performs just as well.

Everything about these plasmas is great. Design is great. Picture controls are extensive. Extreme contrast with ambient lighting. Single pane of glass.

The only things I don't like are the fact that Samsung doesn't offer the 7000/8000 series below 50". I would really like a 1080p 42" or 46". And the actual black level is unknown, although the rep did say they improved the pre discharge luminance for 2010.
post #70 of 964
and of course no word on motion eh?
i'm guessing it still wont be quite up to par with crt but close.
i'm not worried with color at this point, because samsung has already nailed that ;p
post #71 of 964
Any info on the weight for the 63" 8000 plasma?
post #72 of 964
I'm just worried about these buzzing like 2009 models. Hopefully they addressed that issue.
post #73 of 964
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Originally Posted by KurtFelton View Post

I'm just worried about these buzzing like 2009 models. Hopefully they addressed that issue.

You would think so.
post #74 of 964
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Originally Posted by runner66 View Post

why do people love the Panasonic plazma over the samsung is it because of the black levels that is all i hear about in that theard i tell you this samsung plazma is a lot brighter the panasonic. i rather have a brigther plazma over better blacks anyday of the week whAT DO U THINK

Panasonic's have very low latency (30ms game lag), full 1080 lines of motion resolution, unbeatable shadow detail, very little image retention, and good quality control. And Panasonic's have brighter panels; that's why you'll see Panasonic owners using a contrast of 50-75 while Samsung owners have their contrast nearly maxed out.
post #75 of 964
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

Panasonic's have very low latency (30ms game lag), full 1080 lines of motion resolution, unbeatable shadow detail, very little image retention, and good quality control. And Panasonic's have brighter panels; that's why you'll see Panasonic owners using a contrast of 50-75 while Samsung owners have their contrast nearly maxed out.

I'm impartial to either brand, but the individual contrast settings have nothing to do with one panel being brighter. Both panels are plenty bright enough for most environments. Quality control is apparently an issue on Panasonic as well. Just check out the black level doubling and THX color decoding issues thread. Many complain of poor customer service with Samsung, yet Panasonic seems to get a free pass on AVS.

When recommending these panels I say you can't go wrong either way. Panasonic will give you better blacks but the Samsung is much better when it comes to color reproduction, especially those with full CMS.
post #76 of 964
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Originally Posted by wrinklefree View Post

I'm impartial to either brand, but the individual contrast settings have nothing to do with one panel being brighter. Both panels are plenty bright enough for most environments.

Plenty bright enough sure, but there's no denying that the Panasonic's can get much brighter. If the '09 Samsung's and Panasonics were equally bright, then picture settings for the Samsungs would be dialed down 40% the way Panasonic's are. Instead, we've all got our contrast and cell light settings cranked to the max.
post #77 of 964
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

Plenty bright enough sure, but there's no denying that the Panasonic's can get much brighter. If the '09 Samsung's and Panasonics were equally bright, then picture settings for the Samsungs would be dialed down 40% the way Panasonic's are. Instead, we've all got our contrast and cell light settings cranked to the max.

Which PQ modes are we comparing? In THX the contrast is maxed out with a 25ft/L light output. Sure custom can get brighter but the gamma is low (G10) and the primaries are innacurate with no way of adjusting them (G/V10)
post #78 of 964
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

Plenty bright enough sure, but there's no denying that the Panasonic's can get much brighter. If the '09 Samsung's and Panasonics were equally bright, then picture settings for the Samsungs would be dialed down 40% the way Panasonic's are. Instead, we've all got our contrast and cell light settings cranked to the max.

You are comparing apples and oranges. These are 2 different brands and therefore one should not compare settings because each manufacturer has specific values for the numbers you are using.
post #79 of 964
doesnt seem to be much love for these coming out and I bet it is because of the "buzzing" that the 09s had. If that is fixed and the black levels are better than these might be a good choice as i like the color accuracy of samsung plasmas a bit better.
post #80 of 964
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

Plenty bright enough sure, but there's no denying that the Panasonic's can get much brighter. If the '09 Samsung's and Panasonics were equally bright, then picture settings for the Samsungs would be dialed down 40% the way Panasonic's are. Instead, we've all got our contrast and cell light settings cranked to the max.

I'm not sure that's technically true. But in pratical terms, it really isn't meaningful. What is more relevant is how bright are each set once properly calibrated. Otherwise all you are proving is that one set simply allows you to blow out the picture to a ridiculous level and the other decided not to do that. And so far all the calibration reports I have seen posted don't show the Panasonic to have a higher maxmium lumens than the Samsungs. Both get into the 50's when calibrated. This is what you want to be paying attention to -- how low and high it gets at the same time properly calibrated.
post #81 of 964
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

Panasonic's have very low latency (30ms game lag), full 1080 lines of motion resolution, unbeatable shadow detail, very little image retention, and good quality control. And Panasonic's have brighter panels; that's why you'll see Panasonic owners using a contrast of 50-75 while Samsung owners have their contrast nearly maxed out.

You have been pitrching this contrast setting difference all over the fourm and so far I have never seen anyone validate it, so you seem to have assumed it was meaningful based on the lack of response.

You also have previously posted about the 1080 lines of motion resolution as if the Samsung doesn't have it even though on this point it has been proven that it does. The shadow detail point is arguable too, and certainly not a "fact." Some reviews and calibration reports have favored the Panasonic on this point and others the Samsungs. It is commonly stated in this forum as if it is a given, but don't mistake that as a fact.

I would tend to agree with you that the Panasonics have less tendancy for image retention than the Samsungs but this is panel specific and there certainly have been some exceptions, as some sorry Panasonic posters have demonstrated in posts here.
post #82 of 964
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Originally Posted by videoguy60467 View Post

iirc ~ 1.5"

Thanks guys for the answers about the thickness of the panels. But I was looking for a bit more detailed answers. Is the entire 2010 line-up going to be 1.4 -- 1.5 inches? What about the cheapie 768p's? Are they going to be that thin too? How about the 42 inch sets? I know that Samsung mentioned something about 1.4 inches, but does that only pertain to select upper-tier models?

The 8 series was 1.2 inches last year. If 1.4 inches is the thinnest they go this year, it is interesting that they've gone a bit thicker.
post #83 of 964
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Originally Posted by DocuMaker View Post

Thanks guys for the answers about the thickness of the panels. But I was looking for a bit more detailed answers. Is the entire 2010 line-up going to be 1.4 -- 1.5 inches? What about the cheapie 768p's? Are they going to be that thin too? How about the 42 inch sets? I know that Samsung mentioned something about 1.4 inches, but does that only pertain to select upper-tier models?

The 8 series was 1.2 inches last year. If 1.4 inches is the thinnest they go this year, it is interesting that they've gone a bit thicker.

I don't think they've gotten thicker than this year's 850/860. On paper the 850/860 was 1.4" this year, so the new ones appear to be the same. After reading your post I went to the Samsung site to see where you were getting the 1.2" from and I've noticed they've changed their marketing materials on the overview to claim 1.2". But if you go into the specifications you'll see it still says 1.4". Typical Samsung, contradicting themselves. All I can say is it has always said 1.4" in the specs and the marketing materials used to say this and since they didn't change it to make it 0.2" thinner over the course of the model year I would believe the 1.4". Either it is an out and out typo or some marketing loser figured out how to measure it selectively to claim the thinner size. But given that it seems like a big coincidence that the 2010 panels also say 1.4" I suspect they are effectively the same panel designs, with some upgrades to the glass and electronics.
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post #85 of 964
50"=m1.2"
58"=1.4"

I have a 58" 1.4" PlASMA
considering the Brick,stubby LG`s Panys or Pioneers don`t even come close to that slimness show a little bit of appreciation ,gratitude and thumbs up for Samsung will you.They make the best TV`s in the world and sell the most period.Sleep on that:-)
post #86 of 964
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Keep in mind the lower end units will be out in March, then after that the high end units will come.




Is the 6500 included in the 'low ends'?
post #87 of 964
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Originally Posted by funkyman View Post

50"=m1.2"
58"=1.4"

I have a 58" 1.4" PlASMA
considering the Brick,stubby LG`s Panys or Pioneers don`t even come close to that slimness show a little bit of appreciation ,gratitude and thumbs up for Samsung will you.They make the best TV`s in the world and sell the most period.Sleep on that:-)

Wow, that is a joke, the sammys don't even come close to the 9G Pioneers, especially the 500M. Did any of the new Sammy's win any awards at CES? Seems the Panny VT25 won the top award. Posting bs is not very informative. sure Sammy makes some very good sets, the thinness and color is great, but they certainly have weakness compared to Kuros, including black levels and poor customer service.
post #88 of 964
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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

Wow, that is a joke, the sammys don't even come close to the 9G Pioneers, especially the 500M. Did any of the new Sammy's win any awards at CES? Seems the Panny VT25 won the top award. Posting bs is not very informative. sure Sammy makes some very good sets, the thinness and color is great, but they certainly have weakness compared to Kuros, including black levels and poor customer service.

The 58-inch 7000 series model received a 2010 CES Innovations Honoree Award.
post #89 of 964
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Originally Posted by Jonesy11 View Post

Seems the Panny VT25 won the top award.

You realize this is an honorary award, right? They give these awards without reviewing the products. They won't do that for months until it is actually released. Often the awards are symbolic to recognize the trend at the show. This year's trend was 3D so they wanted to recognize a 3D set. They picked Panasonic because, as they put it, "Panasonic has made the most noise about the technology." Not because they thought the actual product would end up being better or worse than all the other manufacturers coming out with sets that have all the same features and similar specs. Perhaps the Panasonic will end up being the best reviewed 3D set in 2010. Perhaps it won't. But this award has nothing to do with that one way or the other. It's not unheard of, in fact, for C/Net to give a "best in show" award to a particular product then later give it a mediocre review.
post #90 of 964
Thread Starter 
CES Awards are like those given out at The Special Olympics. Every company gets some awards, so that they can brag about them. I think it is just another marketing gimmick, to keep the Demonstrators coming back.
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