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post #121 of 5848
What I need is a PM from someone knowledgeable and willing to speculate about prices I've got maybe a month before Panasonic gets my 65V10 on a truck to my house and I'd hate to find out a month or two later that the 65VT25 could be purchased at similar pricing.
post #122 of 5848
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Originally Posted by mmoh00 View Post

5000000:1 contrast ratio ...






...for 1st 100 hrs only!

lol, that's hilarious!
post #123 of 5848
Yes can we start speculating prices?
post #124 of 5848
$8k for the 65V3D lolz
post #125 of 5848
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Originally Posted by StinDaWg View Post

$8k for the 65V3D lolz

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post #126 of 5848
If the history of new products from a specific line are repeated again this year, we will just see incremental yet noticeable differences between this year and last year's models.

Maybe we can go back and read the hype about the G12's and the new NeoPDP panels.

I hope I am wrong but history doesn't lie very often.
post #127 of 5848
candidly, there are really two basic issues to me in all this:

are blacks blacker?

have they pushed 96hz down the lineup?

wild claims of contrast, design, and wider streaming options are merely met with jaded skepticism.
post #128 of 5848
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Originally Posted by tlh1005 View Post

What I need is a PM from someone knowledgeable and willing to speculate about prices I've got maybe a month before Panasonic gets my 65V10 on a truck to my house and I'd hate to find out a month or two later that the 65VT25 could be purchased at similar pricing.

The MSRP prices on the 2010 models will not be made known until thirty days before they appear in the stores. That is what they have announced, and that is how it has also played out in previous years. However, even then, you will have to wait until they are actually available in the stores, to find out what the actual retail prices will be.

It is up to you, if you want to try and wait it out.

Price speculations are useless, so why even bother, People?!
post #129 of 5848
Too bad the V10 50" are not really available or too much of markup here in Toronto, but if I find a good deal on that I will just pull the trigger.

3D seems like a ok idea depending on how good it really is, but you kinda loose trust in Panasonic with all the bs marketing stuff they are trying to pull over some people.

IF the black levels and white levels are really have improved greatly or Kuro level like xrox stated (yes it maybe false) then maybe it will be worth it to wait for more info.
post #130 of 5848
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Originally Posted by tlh1005 View Post

What I need is a PM from someone knowledgeable and willing to speculate about prices I've got maybe a month before Panasonic gets my 65V10 on a truck to my house and I'd hate to find out a month or two later that the 65VT25 could be purchased at similar pricing.

I would wait if I was spending that much for a tv.

Now if you were purchasing an X1 for practically nothing that would be a different story.

Do you have anything to hold you over?

Edit: Look at prices of last years 2008 models at this time of year last year and compare them to the 2009 models at launch. Should be a good indicator.
post #131 of 5848
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

I would wait if I was spending that much for a tv.

Now if you were purchasing an X1 for practically nothing that would be a different story.

Do you have anything to hold you over?

Edit: Look at prices of last years 2008 models at this time of year last year and compare them to the 2009 models at launch. Should be a good indicator.


anyone remember roughly what they were at launch?

i'm not looking to purchase until mid june, so definitely interested to see what i can afford at that time. (up to $3000 if the 2010s perform well)
post #132 of 5848
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Originally Posted by barrist View Post

anyone remember roughly what they were at launch?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=2008+panasonic+...price+cnet&l=1


(sorry, couldn't resist a bit of fun)

...karl
post #133 of 5848
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Originally Posted by tlh1005 View Post

What I need is a PM from someone knowledgeable and willing to speculate about prices I've got maybe a month before Panasonic gets my 65V10 on a truck to my house and I'd hate to find out a month or two later that the 65VT25 could be purchased at similar pricing.

The V10 couldn't actually be bought until much later in 2009, after every other model had been released; I suspect you'd be waiting at least 6 months from now before you can buy it's successor.
post #134 of 5848
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

Even for me as a non-native speaker, this sentence is a complete nonsense. How can one increase an ifinite level, no matter of what? Infinite is infinite, by definition. Those inflated numbers and marketing rubbish...

Sure... I bet these set's "NATIVE" contrast ratio's do hit 5 million.... when they're off
post #135 of 5848
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Originally Posted by gizlaroc View Post




What a dick jockey that guy is!!!!!

He looks like he should be modelling for WalMart fashions!!!

You can just see him saying "Hi, my names Craig and I drive a Porsche."

That's amazing 3-D. The guy looks like he's really out of the panel.
post #136 of 5848
So the 2010 models will include Pandora. Does that mean my 2009 model will be upgraded too or am I stuck with out it?
post #137 of 5848
does the 120 hz input, which comes with the new 2010 models (3D) result in better motion for 2D or is it just important for 3D viewing ?

http://panasonic.net/avc/viera/3d/technology/index.html

" rich gradiation is archived even when displaying 2D images"

"Newly devolped Fast-Decay phosphor"

Sounds good to me, but it always does on Panasonic website
post #138 of 5848
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

The V10 couldn't actually be bought until much later in 2009, after every other model had been released; I suspect you'd be waiting at least 6 months from now before you can buy it's successor.

Yeah, that is one thing I've considered. If I knew I could get a much better TV at basically the same price, I'd likely wait until Aug. There are slight indications that they might push the larger panels earlier than previous years. I however have a 50PZ850U to tie me over if needed. PS, I bought that set after I got tired of waiting for the 58", and I don't make that mistake again.

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Originally Posted by greenland View Post

The MSRP prices on the 2010 models will not be made known until thirty days before they appear in the stores.
It is up to you, if you want to try and wait it out.

Price speculations are useless, so why even bother, People?!

Yes, I read the 30 days thing in the press release. Price speculation from most people is useless, correct, but price speculation from certain people can be considered more...
post #139 of 5848
...backwards compatible as far as the Skype features in the new models are concerned?

In other words, can I buy a Panasonic (or other brand) 720p webcam and attach it to my 54G10 plasma...upgrade the Vieracast firmware...and use Skype?!
post #140 of 5848
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Originally Posted by KMFDMvsEnya View Post

Frankly I do not give a hoot on how thin the panel is, how much porn people can stream straight to their TV, or 3-D for that matter; although I understand why some folks may desire these features. All I want is a worthy successor to my Kuro by surpassing it in actual picture quality rather than bogus numbers that are not observable in real world viewing sessions. Unless I want to watch a single pixel be retina scorchingly bright.

Crossing my fingers that black levels do not become nerfed over time or incorrect color reproduction.

Best Regards
KvE

PS I do agree Panasonic TVs bezel designs leave a fair amount to be desired. I like Samsungs 860 bezel, slick and simple.

I MUCH prefer the Panasonic '09 bezels to the Samsungs. So does my wife...
post #141 of 5848
This thread has a lot of great info, thanks guys.

I do have one question though. I've been waiting to purchase a new TV based on what was shown at CES, and while I was leaning towards the G10/G15, now I am more leaning towards the G20/G25.

Around what time last year were the 09 models available for purchase? I'm just curious how long I would have to wait to purchase a 2010 G series rather than a 2009.
post #142 of 5848
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Originally Posted by steel View Post

This thread has a lot of great info, thanks guys.

I do have one question though. I've been waiting to purchase a new TV based on what was shown at CES, and while I was leaning towards the G10/G15, now I am more leaning towards the G20/G25.

Around what time last year were the 09 models available for purchase? I'm just curious how long I would have to wait to purchase a 2010 G series rather than a 2009.

The larger screen sizes were available a lot sooner than the large panels. The top models didn't come out until quite a few months after being announced.
post #143 of 5848
Given the fierce competition between plasma and lcd, and a probable trend down in price for LCD in the 50+ inch category, along with the rather incremental nature of the announced 13G products, I'd say pricing can't go too much higher (list) than it was for the 12G products. To this end I for one and relieved they didn't move to a full lineup of thin displays that might have jacked up prices 3" thick is fine by me! 3D is a gimick, and they can't expect to jack the price on that (I hope).

So the only question is how much will stores discount them off list when they become available. Currently the 12G products can be had in the EPP store for 20%off, and a few weeks ago it was 28%off. I doubt the 13G products will debut with such a nice discount, but will ultimately end up there. So the bottom line is I expect to pay about the same to a few hundred dollars more for a 13G than what I can pay now for a 12G (58V10 I have on order).

Given the black level bug in the 12G panels, and probable black level improvements with the new cell technology, I think I'll be waiting it out and get the 13G later in the year. I'll be reading closely the next few days to hear if the experts think

A. The black level bug will be fixed (already speculated so, please elaborate if possible)
B. How much better we can expect the new cell to perform. (Bring on the insider knowledge pretty please).
two more things I'd like to know
C. Will the 13Gs move up to 120Hz from 96Hz? It's a bit nicer to be a multiple of both 60 and 24 and might help with PQ
D. Will the 13Gs have 5.1 digital surround audio out on the SPDIF from the TV to the receiver. I read that the 12Gs only have stereo out, which sucks since it means only Dolby encoding for live TV.

-Jim
post #144 of 5848
This seems to be the jump in performance that was expected. I think the V and G sets look good. Nice that they threw in ISFccc on the V.

I think those new phosphors were only touted for the V series, as well.

If that stuff had made it to the G, it would be amazing. I wonder if both the V and G are using the same neopdp panel.

Are the new neopdps @ 8 lumen? I didn't know that 2007 was 2.5 lumens per watt, I thought it was 2.
post #145 of 5848
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Originally Posted by heckheck View Post

Given the fierce competition between plasma and lcd, and a probable trend down in price for LCD in the 50+ inch category, along with the rather incremental nature of the announced 13G products, I'd say pricing can't go too much higher (list) than it was for the 12G products. To this end I for one and relieved they didn't move to a full lineup of thin displays that might have jacked up prices 3" thick is fine by me! 3D is a gimick, and they can't expect to jack the price on that (I hope).

So the only question is how much will stores discount them off list when they become available. Currently the 12G products can be had in the EPP store for 20%off, and a few weeks ago it was 28%off. I doubt the 13G products will debut with such a nice discount, but will ultimately end up there. So the bottom line is I expect to pay about the same to a few hundred dollars more for a 13G than what I can pay now for a 12G (58V10 I have on order).

Given the black level bug in the 12G panels, and probable black level improvements with the new cell technology, I think I'll be waiting it out and get the 13G later in the year. I'll be reading closely the next few days to hear if the experts think

A. The black level bug will be fixed (already speculated so, please elaborate if possible)
B. How much better we can expect the new cell to perform. (Bring on the insider knowledge pretty please).
two more things I'd like to know
C. Will the 13Gs move up to 120Hz from 96Hz? It's a bit nicer to be a multiple of both 60 and 24 and might help with PQ
D. Will the 13Gs have 5.1 digital surround audio out on the SPDIF from the TV to the receiver. I read that the 12Gs only have stereo out, which sucks since it means only Dolby encoding for live TV.

-Jim

You missed something. Will scenes of pure white snow look vaguely greenish-yellow?

None of this chit-chat or excitement makes one bit of difference unless Panasonic has the color accuracy of Samsung or LG LCDs. Fundamentals should always be the top priority. Panasonic lost sight of that in their mid-range series for the last two years at least. Without correct flesh tones, etc., who cares what new stuff they announce? It'll be a long wait before we find out on CNET if they've done their job this time around.
post #146 of 5848
Hey guys just want to let you know that don't expect these 13G to be a significant improvement over the 12G. The differences according to D-Nice are the AR coating, black level (no way near the 9G Kuros), brightness are slightly improve and 3D technology. Correct me if I'm wrong D-Nice. 2011 or 14G will have a huge improvement.
post #147 of 5848
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Originally Posted by sonny21 View Post

Too bad the V10 50" are not really available or too much of markup here in Toronto, but if I find a good deal on that I will just pull the trigger.

I'm in Toronto too and I just drive down to Buffalo to buy my big ticket electronics. On the P65S1 I paid about 1/2 the price as in the US, including all taxes and currency exchange (aside from the gas and the Tim Horton's coffees I bought along the way, lol).
post #148 of 5848
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Originally Posted by tfoltz View Post

And you have facts to support this?

Are you talking to me?
post #149 of 5848
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Originally Posted by AuDiOBoY529 View Post

Hey guys just want to let you know that don't expect these 13G to be a significant improvement over the 12G. The differences according to D-Nice are the AR coating, black level (no way near the 9G Kuros), brightness are slightly improve and 3D technology. Correct me if I'm wrong D-Nice. 2011 or 14G will have a huge improvement.

Your not right or wrong at this time and testing will have to be performed as DNice stated he needs to get his hands on one. By the way the AR coating is significant and the Black levels we don't know yet on what has been achieved. The "no way near the 9G Kuros" is a unknown as is brightness. If you watched the press conference you might be more up to date on PR type talk.

I do believe that the there is a fair amount of Kuro tech in them and I too believe that the 14G will surpass the Kuro. Long live the king but the king is dead.
post #150 of 5848
I think a lot of the dissapointment in this thread is because many of us were hoping to see NeoPDPeco technology and ultra thin designs, like the model they displayed at last years CES.

Here's an informative post by Timghai's from CES 2009:

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Originally Posted by tinghai View Post

The 8.8 mm 50" display at the Press Conference was a prototype using Panasonic's future technology "NEO PDP eco" which is different from the 2009 "NEO PDP" technology. The "NEO PDP eco" will combine the "NEO PDP" and Pioneer "KURO" technology.







Now, the 2010 press release describes models with "Infinite Black Pro display with 5,000,000:1 native contrast" and they also state "the 2010 class takes that a step further by creating new NeoPDP technologies providing a new infinite black filter with a higher efficiency panel that generates the best balance of black and white under brighter environments"

I'm hoping this is the NeoPDPeco tech they've been promising and they've just decided to keep marketing it as NeoPDP. Maybe DNice or others can shed some light on if this technology is included in the 2010 models.

If not, I have a feeling that too many of their engineers were busy on the 3d tech side.
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